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Rossi357
07-24-2012, 12:59 AM
He wants a Federal ban on semi auto rifles, shotguns, and semi auto handguns.

http://www.myfoxla.com/story/19081881/former-lapd-chief-william-bratton-says-gun-control-can-reduce-these-numbers-of-incidents#ixzz21UrwDyup

Gray Peterson
07-24-2012, 1:02 AM
He wants a Federal ban on semi auto rifles, shotguns, and semi auto handguns.

http://www.myfoxla.com/story/19081881/former-lapd-chief-william-bratton-says-gun-control-can-reduce-these-numbers-of-incidents#ixzz21UrwDyup

Hilarious. I guess the whole Heller thing with "in common use" and the type of gun being a 1911 .45ACP throws cold water on that idea. Love that an former LAPD chief thinks he's more powerful than 2A or SCOTUS.

Good luck with that....

Ryan in SD
07-24-2012, 1:04 AM
He wants a Federal ban on semi auto rifles, shotguns, and semi auto handguns.

http://www.myfoxla.com/story/19081881/former-lapd-chief-william-bratton-says-gun-control-can-reduce-these-numbers-of-incidents#ixzz21UrwDyup

That's funny, I want him banned from USA.

DannyInSoCal
07-24-2012, 1:13 AM
I made a comment -

Pathetic liberal zero facts rhetoric.

F'em....

1forall
07-24-2012, 1:31 AM
Hilarious. I guess the whole Heller thing with "in common use" and the type of gun being a 1911 .45ACP throws cold water on that idea. Love that an former LAPD chief thinks he's more powerful than 2A or SCOTUS.

Good luck with that....

My thoughts exactly

unusedusername
07-24-2012, 1:32 AM
He wants a Federal ban? Ok... Good luck with that.

Why is this news?

Connor P Price
07-24-2012, 1:41 AM
Bratton is a coward. Anyone who would willingly take an oath to uphold the constitution and then make comments like he has made is beyond repair.

nick
07-24-2012, 1:54 AM
Ah, right, all the freedom-hating morons are out of the woodwork now.

stix213
07-24-2012, 5:07 AM
No disrespect to hard working police officers, but frankly a police chief's opinion on how to reduce mass shooting incidents is just as valuable as a body shop explaining how to reduce car accidents.

Both deal with the aftermath, but have little to no knowledge as to why the incident occured in the first place, or have much to do with actually preventing them.

Gray Peterson
07-24-2012, 8:25 AM
Just a thing here, folks. Most law enforcement chiefs, even the urban ones, tend to be conservative Republicans. Slurring someone anti-gun with "liberal" isn't a good way to attract support to our side of the gun debate.

Wherryj
07-24-2012, 8:33 AM
He wants a Federal ban on semi auto rifles, shotguns, and semi auto handguns.

http://www.myfoxla.com/story/19081881/former-lapd-chief-william-bratton-says-gun-control-can-reduce-these-numbers-of-incidents#ixzz21UrwDyup

Something makes me suspect that he also supports an exemption for law enforcement/FORMER law enforcement?

Capybara
07-24-2012, 8:35 AM
"Bratton was approached by British Prime Minister David Cameron to become the new Metropolitan Police Commissioner in July 2011, but this was blocked by the Home Office on the grounds the Commissioner must be a British national with experience of English law."

They would love his gun grabbing ways in the U.K., he would fit right in.

erik_26
07-24-2012, 8:39 AM
I just don't get it....

Why do the people that hate guns stay in this country? Get the **** out already. Go to Canada, England... I don't care.

Leave everyone else alone.

NoJoke
07-24-2012, 8:41 AM
Just a thing here, folks. Most law enforcement chiefs, even the urban ones, tend to be conservative Republicans. Slurring someone anti-gun with "liberal" isn't a good way to attract support to our side of the gun debate.

How does Gore score?

383green
07-24-2012, 8:44 AM
No disrespect to hard working police officers, but frankly a police chief's opinion on how to reduce mass shooting incidents is just as valuable as a body shop explaining how to reduce car accidents.

Both deal with the aftermath, but have little to no knowledge as to why the incident occured in the first place, or have much to do with actually preventing them.

+1 Insightful

Nick Justice
07-24-2012, 8:50 AM
Really? Like in Mexico, Egypt, Syria, Brazil, Russia, China, Columbia...so many others. How well it works in those counties.

HowardW56
07-24-2012, 8:54 AM
He wants a Federal ban on semi auto rifles, shotguns, and semi auto handguns.

http://www.myfoxla.com/story/19081881/former-lapd-chief-william-bratton-says-gun-control-can-reduce-these-numbers-of-incidents#ixzz21UrwDyup

Nothing new there.... He hates the 2nd Amendment and has always wanted a ban...

JackRydden224
07-24-2012, 8:55 AM
So the chief wants to clean up dead bodies of law abiding citizens. That's brilliant chief. How about I break int your house with guns and you try to fight me with your fists?

QQQ
07-24-2012, 9:07 AM
That's funny, I want him banned from USA.I want him banned from life.

...

Errmmm.... I mean "for" life.

ja308
07-24-2012, 9:08 AM
Just a thing here, folks. Most law enforcement chiefs, even the urban ones, tend to be conservative Republicans. Slurring someone anti-gun with "liberal" isn't a good way to attract support to our side of the gun debate.

Being anti gun is the exact opposite of "conservative" if the case is as you suggest, the correct term is RINO (republican in name only ) The republican party platform 2008 is strongly worded in favor of RKBA .
Will you explain your thoughts on why labebling an anti gunner as "liberal " is not a good way to attract support to our side.

Former LAPD chief Darrel Gates was labeled conservative,democrats hated him and we would always stand with him against the gungrabbing liberals.

Then this fool runs to DC and starts blabbing about the need for more restrictions on gun rights :( After that ,he was a man w/o a base ! when attacks came he stood alone and was gone (good riddance)

If you would kindly provide a few examples of republican police chiefs who are anti gun I would appreciate it . There is NO room in the GOP tent for such miserable back stabbing 5th column slime balls:D

The police chief is commonly picked by city council/mayors and serve with their auspices .

A recent example of an ANTI GUN police chief was Ira Stambaugh ,who served in the city of Wasilla, Alaska . When the Alaskan legislature was contemplating "constitutional carry" Chief Stambaugh testified how this is a bad idea and not needed in Alaska.

After his idiotic testimony he was fired by the mayor of Wasilla , Sarah Palin .
Stambaugh went bawling to the courts who told him ,sorry Ira you serve at the mayors pleasure .
Bratton ? eastern liberal chump , suitable for Los Angeles !

Ron-Solo
07-24-2012, 9:19 AM
No disrespect to hard working police officers, but frankly a police chief's opinion on how to reduce mass shooting incidents is just as valuable as a body shop explaining how to reduce car accidents.

Both deal with the aftermath, but have little to no knowledge as to why the incident occured in the first place, or have much to do with actually preventing them.

Well stated. As a retired law enforcement officer, there is nothing in this statement that is offensive.


Something makes me suspect that he also supports an exemption for law enforcement/FORMER law enforcement?

Nope, not NYPD Billy. He has always been anti gun and fought patrol officers from having rifles

moleculo
07-24-2012, 9:26 AM
Just a thing here, folks. Most law enforcement chiefs, even the urban ones, tend to be conservative Republicans.

Perhaps, but this thread is about Bratton. I don't remember his party affiliation, but his political stance on many typical party-line issues isn't what most people would attribute to a typical conservative.

tuolumnejim
07-24-2012, 9:40 AM
Just a thing here, folks. Most law enforcement chiefs, even the urban ones, tend to be conservative Republicans. Slurring someone anti-gun with "liberal" isn't a good way to attract support to our side of the gun debate.

Ahem. :rolleyes:

Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Bratton)

William J. Bratton
Born October 6, 1947 (age 64)
Boston, Massachusetts
Residence Los Feliz, Los Angeles, California
Occupation Police Chief
Employer City of Los Angeles
Title Chief of the Los Angeles Police Department
Term 20022009
Predecessor Martin H. Pomeroy
Political party Democratic
Spouse Rikki Klieman
Children David Bratton

ICONIC
07-24-2012, 9:43 AM
Bratton was horrible, he spent more time going to Hollywood parties and getting his name in the paper than doing his job.

I was happy when he quit.

Flintlock Tom
07-24-2012, 9:52 AM
"Former LAPD Chief wants gun ban."
When I read that I heard, in my head: "Rain showers are often accompanied by cloudy skies."
Duh!

hornswaggled
07-24-2012, 10:20 AM
Not a surprise. Police officers, especially at the management level, generally view citizens with guns as a threat, a problem, and more work for them. They are interested in command and control to secure the peace, not granting more freedoms. Especially at the metropolitan level, a chief would SURELY be against armed citizens if not to simply make his/her own life easier.

vantec08
07-24-2012, 10:47 AM
Hey Bratton - - - go pahk the cah.

Ron-Solo
07-24-2012, 11:03 AM
Hey Bratton - - - go pahk the cah.

:rofl2:

Gray Peterson
07-24-2012, 11:31 AM
Ahem. :rolleyes:

Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Bratton)

The point still stands. The sheriffs who give us the biggest problems when in comes to legal compliance with carry are conservative republican sheriffs.

NotEnufGarage
07-24-2012, 11:33 AM
Just a thing here, folks. Most law enforcement chiefs, even the urban ones, tend to be conservative Republicans. Slurring someone anti-gun with "liberal" isn't a good way to attract support to our side of the gun debate.

He can't be very conservative if he doesn't understand the 2nd Amendment.

I'd say he's a RINO, at best.

DeanC
07-24-2012, 11:35 AM
Just a thing here, folks. Most law enforcement chiefs, even the urban ones, tend to be conservative Republicans. Slurring someone anti-gun with "liberal" isn't a good way to attract support to our side of the gun debate.

It also doen't do much for those of us who *are* liberal and also pro-gun rights...

corcoraj2002
07-24-2012, 11:36 AM
Really? Like in Mexico, Egypt, Syria, Brazil, Russia, China, Columbia...so many others. How well it works in those counties.

This has come up on my facebook the last few days. Friends starting debates about gun control. I come from the Republic of Ireland, we still have the death penalty on the books from our civil war in the 1920's, for possession of an illegal firearm, has not been enforced since the 30's but technically still on the books, and the only reason IRA members have not been charged with it is that in the Republic we treat them as political prisoners.

Our police do not even carry firearms and because I did not have access to at least 20 acres of land, I was not allowed access to a rifle or shotgun when I lived there.

Yet we have, in Ireland, a self funded, depending on your religious and political background, freedom fighters/terrorists that had access to AK style fully auto rifles and at one stage stinger surface to air missiles.

All gun control does is take firearms out of law-abiding civilians and gives the criminals free rain.

NotEnufGarage
07-24-2012, 11:38 AM
The point still stands. The sheriffs who give us the biggest problems when in comes to legal compliance with carry are conservative republican sheriffs.

Yeah.. Don't let a little things like facts get in the way of a slam against Republicans....

I doubt you'd find a Southern Police Chief (except maybe Houston or New Orleans) pushing for this kind of gun control.

Gray Peterson
07-24-2012, 11:43 AM
He can't be very conservative if he doesn't understand the 2nd Amendment.

I'd say he's a RINO, at best.

The "not a true scotsmen" fallacy doesn't equate here.

Ripon83
07-24-2012, 11:45 AM
I'm guessing its 80/20.

80% of liberals want gun control
20% of liberals don't - God Bless you guys around here

80% of conservatives don't
20% of conservatives do - lousy low life scum (j/k)

curtisfong
07-24-2012, 12:19 PM
I'm guessing its 80/20.

80% of liberals want gun control
20% of liberals don't - God Bless you guys around here

80% of conservatives don't
20% of conservatives do - lousy low life scum (j/k)

I think that is a bit optimistic (and pessimistic on the latter half). We'll only succeed when it truly becomes (by and large) a non-partisan issue.

Which is why it is important (in CA) to stress that gun rights are civil rights. You'll never convince anti-gun conservatives of anything, and even if you did, there is no point. They're a useless minority in CA.

The only real solution is to get "liberals" involved in shooting etc. and to show them that gun rights are civil rights, and that gun control is racist.

wjc
07-24-2012, 4:24 PM
That's funny, I want him banned from USA.

Make him the first man on Mars.

HBrebel
07-24-2012, 4:51 PM
Does it even matter what these sociopaths want anymore? Is everybody trying to be Bloomberg or what? These jagoffs have as much power over us as DC has over the fed

Nodaedul
07-24-2012, 5:30 PM
Police should be banned from carrying guns. Citizens should be armed. Police should just be orchestrators, sending temporarily volunteer citizenry to be the firepower during arrests. Police just conduct citizens and grant temporary authority and legal protection.

Patrick Aherne
07-24-2012, 5:43 PM
I just wish Police Chiefs and retired Police Chiefs would shut their pie-holes and continue with their golf careers, or whatever it is that LE administrators do.

ja308
07-24-2012, 5:56 PM
Sherriff Joe arpio is progun and maricopa county is huge --OK cal-gunners lets get out every instance that his dept has screwed up and lay it on him.

I's not enough to have him fighting the feds for not enforcing fed law --cal gunners have their own axe to grind with this hero.

thomasanelson
07-24-2012, 7:16 PM
He's a M******* from Boston by way of NYC....what would you expect.

dustoff31
07-24-2012, 7:19 PM
Bratton went to LAPD from being Commissioner of NYPD. He went to NYPD from being Commissioner of Boston PD.

So it shouldn't surprize anyone that he is an anti, or would make such a statement. I'd be shocked if he said anything else.

tiki
07-24-2012, 7:25 PM
just like California enacted the nation's toughest law against assault weapons nearly two decades ago," he said in a statement.

Yeah! Just like California! Where I bought my 3 AR15s and 1 AR10.
You stupid asshat.

emy
07-24-2012, 7:25 PM
I think that's why his FORMER POLICE ,

yellowfin
07-24-2012, 7:29 PM
Just a thing here, folks. Most law enforcement chiefs, even the urban ones, tend to be conservative Republicans.Considering he was a big wig in NYC before polluting California with his presence, somehow I highly doubt it being the case with him. Regardless of his formal political affiliation, he is among the lowest slime of humanity.

artoaster
07-24-2012, 7:35 PM
A good police chief wouldn't say stupid things to the media.

The truest thing I've seen recently shows a picture of a certain recent mass murderer in a western state who's name I've forgotten that basically is captioned something like "I'm a mass murderer who just killed men, women and children and the media loves me!"

Damn tv. Don't watch it, it will rot your brain and make you see the world in some way other than what could be a more pleasant reality.

falawful
07-24-2012, 8:01 PM
Bratton.

Mas*hole. True believer.

Extend middle finger, carry on....

Kappy
07-24-2012, 8:24 PM
Police should be banned from carrying guns. Citizens should be armed. Police should just be orchestrators, sending temporarily volunteer citizenry to be the firepower during arrests. Police just conduct citizens and grant temporary authority and legal protection.

A very interesting idea... and I mean that.

FalconLair
07-24-2012, 8:27 PM
just when I had forgotten all about that guy

five.five-six
07-24-2012, 8:37 PM
I think Ronnie Barrett put it best:

Chief William J. Bratton
Los Angeles Police Department
150 North Los Angeles Street


Re: LAPD 82A Rifle, Serial No. 11**


Dear Chief Bratton,


I, a U.S. citizen, own Barrett Firearms Mfg. Inc., and for 20 years I have built .50 caliber rifles for my fellow citizens, for their Law Enforcement departments and for their nation's armed forces.


You may be aware of the latest negative misinformation campaign from a Washington based anti-gun group, the Violence Policy Center. The VPC has, for three or so years, been unsuccessful in Washington, D.C. trying to demonize and ban a new subclass of firearms, the .50 caliber and other "too powerful" rifles. This type of nibbling process has been historically successful in civilian disarmament of other nations governed by totalitarian and other regimes less tolerant of individual rights than the United States .


The VPC's most recent efforts directs this misinformation campaign at your state, attempting to get any California body to pass any law against .50 caliber firearms. In March 2002 the VPC caused the California State Assembly, Public Safety Committee to consider and reject the issue by a 5 to 0 with 1 abstaining vote.


Regrettably, the same material has been presented to your city council. I personally attended the council meeting in Los Angeles regarding attempts to bar ownership of the .50 caliber rifle in your city. I was allowed to briefly address the council. The tone of the discussion was mostly emotionally based, so the facts that I attempted to provide were ineffective to the extent they were heard at all. The council voted to have the city attorney draft an ordinance to ban the .50, and further, to instruct the city's representatives in Sacramento and in Washington D.C. to push for bans at their respective levels.

At that council meeting, I was very surprised to see an LAPD officer seated front and center with a Barrett 82A1 .50 cal rifle. It was the centerpiece of the discussion. As you know, there have been no crimes committed with these rifles, and most importantly, current California law does not allow the sale of the M82AI in the state because of its detachable magazine and features that make it an "assault weapon." This rifle was being deceptively used by your department. The officer portrayed it as a sample of a currently available .50 cal rifle, available for sale to the civilians of Los Angeles. One councilman even questioned how this rifle was available under current laws, but as I stated, facts were ineffective that day.


Your officer, speaking for the LAPD, endorsed the banning of this rifle and its ammunition. Then he used the rifle for photo ops with the Councilmen each of whom, in handling the firearm, may have been committing a felony. I was amazed.


Since 1968, with the closing of the U.S. Springfield Amory, all of the small arms produced for the various government agencies are from the private sector. Every handgun, rifle or shotgun that law enforcement needs comes from this firearms industry. Unless the City of Los Angeles has plans of setting up its own firearms manufacturing, it may need to guard the manufacturing sources it has now.


When I returned to my office from Los Angeles, I found an example of our need for mutual cooperation. Your department had sent one of your 82A1 rifles in to us for service. All of my knowledge in the use of my rifle in the field of law enforcement had been turned upside down by witnessing how your department used yours. Not to protect and serve, but for deception, photo opportunities, and to further an ill-conceived effort that may result in the use of LA taxpayer monies to wage losing political battles in Washington against civil liberties regarding gun ownership.


Please excuse my slow response on the repair service of the rifle. I am battling to what service I am repairing the rifle for. I will not sell, nor service, my rifles to those seeking to infringe upon the Constitution and the crystal clear rights it affords individuals to own firearms.


I implore you to investigate the facts of the .50, to consider the liberties of the law-abiding people and our mutual coexistence, and to change your department's position on this issue.


Sincerely,
BARRETT FIREARMS MANUFACTURING, INC.


Ronnie Barrett
President



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Anubis Laughed
07-24-2012, 8:38 PM
Of course, Bratton would NEVER consider giving up HIS right to own guns. The Ban would only apply to us "little people".

Same old eliteist BS....

The Geologist
07-24-2012, 8:43 PM
What a NUT!!!!

arsilva32
07-24-2012, 8:50 PM
I'm guessing its 80/20.

80% of liberals want gun control
20% of liberals don't - God Bless you guys around here

80% of conservatives don't
20% of conservatives do - lousy low life scum (j/k)



i think your a little off there:
99% of libs want gun control
1% don't

you see allot of the 1% around here

90% of conservatives are pro gun
10% are undercover libs and traitors to our god given RTKBA

morfeeis
07-24-2012, 8:54 PM
Something makes me suspect that he also supports an exemption for law enforcement/FORMER law enforcement?
If he didn't that would shock the hell out of em......

The Geologist
07-24-2012, 9:03 PM
These people like Bratton are so out of touch with reality. Banning guns and/or ammo won't change the outcome. Holmes was going to kill people guns or no guns. How many people did McVeigh kill? How many guns did he have when he did it? As far as I know it was zero.

Maybe if Aurora was a bit more gun friendly, some of the patrons of the movie house would have been able to legally have their own hardware to fight fire with fire.

I guess Holmes did not see the "No Guns Allowed" Sign

curtisfong
07-24-2012, 9:22 PM
Bratton is the worst kind of elitist CLEO.

mag360
07-24-2012, 9:39 PM
i love that letter from Barrett, so did he send it back to LAPD unrepaired?

cruising7388
07-24-2012, 9:55 PM
Not a surprise. Police officers, especially at the management level, generally view citizens with guns as a threat, a problem, and more work for them. They are interested in command and control to secure the peace, not granting more freedoms. Especially at the metropolitan level, a chief would SURELY be against armed citizens if not to simply make his/her own life easier.

Well said. The rhetoric of liberal legislators and urban police chiefs may sound the same, but their underlying motives could well be entirely different, which is why chiefs might be politically to the right of Ghengis Kahn, yet still support gun control measures that unreasonably restricts the rights of law abiding citizens.

Hippies_Have_Guns_Too
07-25-2012, 9:43 PM
Being anti gun is the exact opposite of "conservative".....

I can agree with that statement based on the definition of conservative (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conservative?s=t) is:
"disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change."

Therefore any conservative calling for gun control is violating a fundamental principle of conservatism.


But also the same thing holds true for liberals because the definition of liberal (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liberal?s=t) is:
"favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties."

Therefore any fellow liberal of mine calling for gun control is violating a fundamental principle of liberalism.

So in my opinion regardless of what side of the political isle one is on. There is no place in our country to suppress freedom or go against a long standing tradition. Well that's the way I see it anyway.



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Mr.Do
07-26-2012, 12:29 AM
What a fool..a federal ban just because of this recent incident is like banning pocket knives. Not gonna happen.

MontClaire
07-26-2012, 12:35 AM
As long a leos, security and military will be included in this ban......I'll give t a thought.

Meplat1
07-26-2012, 1:02 AM
The point still stands. The sheriffs who give us the biggest problems when in comes to legal compliance with carry are conservative republican sheriffs.

Bull $#!T.

tpc13
07-26-2012, 4:23 AM
In a perfect world I agree we don't need guns, but this world is full of evil people and citizens need the right to protect themselves. Police chiefs should stay at home and shut the H LL up!!

ZombieTactics
07-26-2012, 7:16 AM
...
But also the same thing holds true for liberals because the definition of liberal (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liberal?s=t) is:
"favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties."

Therefore any fellow liberal of mine calling for gun control is violating a fundamental principle of liberalism. ...

A few things here which bear mentioning:

You noted only the most favorable of possible definitions in your quote, and the 4th association, rather than the 1st, 2nd and 3rd, which would generally be considered the more common understandings. This is how dictionaries are organized.
Consider those more commonly accepted meanings especially "favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs" and " noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform".
Consider what "progress" and "reform" mean in context: reform gun laws, reform healthcare laws, etc. ... and the collectivist connotations of the word "progressive'.


Your earlier post made a case for what would commonly be called "classical liberalism", of the kind most of the founders believed in, and more in line with libertarian views than modern liberal views.

durandal
07-26-2012, 10:19 AM
How about, he gets his guns taken away from him and lets see how safe HE feels.

vantec08
07-26-2012, 10:26 AM
How about, he gets his guns taken away from him and lets see how safe HE feels.



. .. and while we're at it, deny politicians all those armed agents surrounding them.

greasemonkey
07-26-2012, 12:26 PM
Sherriff Joe arpio is progun and maricopa county is huge --OK cal-gunners lets get out every instance that his dept has screwed up and lay it on him.

I's not enough to have him fighting the feds for not enforcing fed law --cal gunners have their own axe to grind with this hero.

Only a fool would believe the trash you've spewed here. One need not be a 'liberal' or a calgunner to dislike the abhorrent Civil Rights & Human Rights violations perpetuated under his leadership. Joe is pro-gun* so long as whoever carries is someone he approves of.

Glock22Fan
07-26-2012, 2:44 PM
i love that letter from Barrett, so did he send it back to LAPD unrepaired?

I heard that he made the point that clearly, in Californian eyes, sending it by non-LEO's (i.e. UPS or Fedex) was unsafe and told them that if they wanted it back, they should send a sworn officer to collect it in person.

Don't know if that's true, but I like to think so.

I did at the time email him and congratulate him on his stand, I got a very nice response.

southernsnowshoe
07-26-2012, 3:16 PM
He wants a Federal ban? Ok... Good luck with that.

Why is this news?


Lol........oh hell, your avatar is funny. thats a good one

Hank Stamper
07-26-2012, 10:41 PM
I just don't get it....

Why do the people that hate guns stay in this country? Get the **** out already. Go to Canada, England... I don't care.

Leave everyone else alone.


Why do people who hate California stay?

kimber_ss
07-27-2012, 1:38 AM
NYPD Billy! NYPD Billy! :D

NYPD Billy.

Well the one LE administrator (fed) in my family is adamantly pro-2A, and so is his brother. Heck, they are the ones who introduced me to our little friends when I was a kid. :p

Steve1968LS2
07-27-2012, 8:02 AM
Of course HIS semi-auto guns would be exempted..

It's all an Animal Farm deal...

Jack L
07-27-2012, 8:41 AM
These people like Bratton are so out of touch with reality. Banning guns and/or ammo won't change the outcome. Holmes was going to kill people guns or no guns. How many people did McVeigh kill? How many guns did he have when he did it? As far as I know it was zero.

Maybe if Aurora was a bit more gun friendly, some of the patrons of the movie house would have been able to legally have their own hardware to fight fire with fire.

I guess Holmes did not see the "No Guns Allowed" Sign

Right on. Think Oklahoma City. No guns used but plenty of death from the perp.

168 lives, including 19 children under the age of 6

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

QQQ
07-27-2012, 9:09 AM
Norway has very strict gun control laws but that didn't stop Anders Breivik.

thomashoward
07-28-2012, 8:57 PM
Why do people who hate California stay?

I was born here, this is my state I like it. We have to make the anti's leave.

Norway has very strict gun control laws but that didn't stop Anders Breivik.
can't fix crazy

steve91104
07-29-2012, 12:28 PM
I was born here, this is my state I like it. We have to make the others leave.

+1 :thumbsup:

Arondos
07-29-2012, 8:55 PM
Because of firearms he is able to have an opinion and express it without fear. but it seems many police chiefs, sheriffs, etc. forget this fact.

But of course it would be OK for him and his people to have guns...

Sudaev
07-30-2012, 4:09 AM
Former LAPD chief Darrel Gates was labeled conservative,democrats hated him and we would always stand with him against the gungrabbing liberals.



Actually Daryl Gates was a proponent of gun control.

HBrebel
08-05-2012, 9:59 AM
Police should be banned from carrying guns. Citizens should be armed. Police should just be orchestrators, sending temporarily volunteer citizenry to be the firepower during arrests. Police just conduct citizens and grant temporary authority and legal protection.

I like it a lot

dantodd
08-05-2012, 10:03 AM
In a perfect world I agree we don't need guns

WTF are you talking about? In a perfect world we would need no gun control laws because people wouldn't be irresponsible.

glock7
08-05-2012, 10:09 AM
He must be getting ready to run for office.

MM

that's what i'm thinking.