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paradox
06-04-2007, 12:02 PM
First off, does anyone have a copy of any DOJ letter regarding the legal status of the Kel-Tec SU-16A? I’m specifically looking for the language stating that since the firing mechanism is disabled while the gun is folded, then the stock is not a “folding stock.”

I’m asking because I have recently read about the Saiga-MK:

http://www.izhmash.ru/eng/product/saiga.shtml
http://www.izhmash.ru/pix/saiga_mk.jpg
"Saiga-MK" - "Saiga-M" version with the shortened barrel (415 mm) and interlocking not allowing to deliver fire with the butt folded;

I’m guessing that “interlocking” means that there is a bit attached to the stock that pushes the safety forward when folded.

Do y’all think this would qualify as a non-folding-stock with regards to the state AW laws?

(a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall
also mean any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to
accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
...
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.


The CA DOJ has issued no regulatory definition of “folding stock”: http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/chapter39.pdf

xenophobe
06-04-2007, 12:38 PM
The Saiga MK is not legally importable. It is not a sporting firearm, the barrel is less than 16" and it has a pistol grip and folding stock. Not a chance.

paradox
06-04-2007, 01:01 PM
The Saiga MK is not legally importable. It is not a sporting firearm, the barrel is less than 16" and it has a pistol grip and folding stock. Not a chance.


Sheesh, what’d you think I am, a newbie? :rolleyes:

Of course the MK will never be imported, that doesn’t mean that the stock & interlock won’t be imported, nor does it mean that we couldn’t make something with the exact same functionality in our garage ;)

hoffmang
06-04-2007, 01:47 PM
I'm not aware of an SU-16-CA letter though there may very well be one. You can send a Pubic Records Act Request for the letter or any related information to BOF and they are obligated by law to respond with responsive info.

-Gene

PanzerAce
06-04-2007, 02:04 PM
damn, thats a good idea. Legally, it does after all fall into the same category as the SU-16...I wonder if we could get them with a saiga style stock?