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2shotjoe
07-11-2012, 3:50 PM
The stick powder I have doesn't always work great with some of my reloading equipment.

Using 75gr bullets out to 600 yards, need 3000fps chart if possible.

16in barrel, 1/7 twist with carbine DI gas system.

thanks

rsrocket1
07-11-2012, 4:22 PM
Did a run on Quick load and you'll be running between 83,000 to 273,000 psi max pressure (SAAMI Max for .223 is 62,300) to get that heavy of a bullet running that fast out of that short of a barrel.

I would start with more realistic expectations.

25.0g H335 gives me 3000 fps using 55g fmjbt out of a 20" AR. A 16" barrel will drop that down to 2900 fps. To avoid exceeding that pressure using a 75g bullet will drop the MV down to 2530 fps out of a 16" bbl.

3031 (a stick powder) will get you a little more MV with the same pressure. It would also tend to be less temperature sensitive.

pennstater
07-11-2012, 5:04 PM
Try Ramshot "Tac"

CalTeacher
07-11-2012, 5:22 PM
3000fps isn't exactly realistic with that bullet and barrel combo.

CS Sports
07-11-2012, 5:34 PM
+1 on Ramshot TAC.

GeoffLinder
07-11-2012, 6:31 PM
3000fps isn't exactly realistic with that bullet and barrel combo.
I will go so far as to say it is TOTALLY unrealistic.

77 gr at 2750fps out of my 20" JP is a primer popping load, absolutely no freakin' way will a 75gr bullet go much past 2800 fps in a 16" barrel without popping the case head!!!

3000 fps plus is best reserved for 55gr bullets in the AR platform.

That said, AA2520 is a good ball powder to use under heavy bullets in the AR. WW748 is only good for up to 69gr bullets.

NiteQwill
07-11-2012, 6:43 PM
It won't happen in the setup you are using (safely).

Common powders are H355, TAC, Varget. The latter two are good with heavier bullets and less sensitive to temperature changes.

2shotjoe
07-11-2012, 9:38 PM
It won't happen in the setup you are using (safely).

Common powders are H355, TAC, Varget. The latter two are good with heavier bullets and less sensitive to temperature changes.

Using Varget right now, guess I am limited for .223 choices. I guess I need to up it to commie 7.62x39. :cool:

Cowboy T
07-11-2012, 10:00 PM
Well, if you're going up to the 7.62 Commie caliber and you want to shoot 600 yards, then have you considered getting a Mosin? An M91/30 will easily go that distance and more, and yes, it'll do it accurately if you do your part.

Should you go that route, BL-C(2) is a very good ball powder for 7.62x54R.

CalTeacher
07-11-2012, 10:35 PM
Why not just shoot .308? If your shooting for accuracy at that distance and want to try one of the 7.62 cartridges, then that's sort of a no brainer. And to scone CowboyT's recommendation, BLC-2 is a fine powder indeed. Varget and 4895 are some of the more popular powders that work great also. I shoot 47.5 grains of BLC-2 under 150gr Hornady GMX for my deer load. Very accurate.

2shotjoe
07-11-2012, 11:22 PM
Well, if you're going up to the 7.62 Commie caliber and you want to shoot 600 yards, then have you considered getting a Mosin? An M91/30 will easily go that distance and more, and yes, it'll do it accurately if you do your part.

Should you go that route, BL-C(2) is a very good ball powder for 7.62x54R.


I'm more comfortable shooting my m4, i got a mosin but just don't want to spend more on ammunition.




Why not just shoot .308? If your shooting for accuracy at that distance and want to try one of the 7.62 cartridges, then that's sort of a no brainer. And to scone CowboyT's recommendation, BLC-2 is a fine powder indeed. Varget and 4895 are some of the more popular powders that work great also. I shoot 47.5 grains of BLC-2 under 150gr Hornady GMX for my deer load. Very accurate.

I got a m1903 I'm working on, not sure what the barrel wear is yet. My garand just has an issue of not ejecting all the time. May end up getting a rem700 if my c&r guns wont cut it.

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NiteQwill
07-12-2012, 6:56 AM
I'm more comfortable shooting my m4, i got a mosin but just don't want to spend more on ammunition.

My garand just has an issue of not ejecting all the time.

That's fine. Just don't expect that kind of FPS without blowing your rifle up.

If your garand isn't ejecting all the time, have you considered an adjustable gas plug?

G60
07-12-2012, 9:41 AM
Ram shot TAC, but no way you're going to get 3k fps out of a 16" barrel at that bullet.weight.

Orlando
07-12-2012, 12:57 PM
If your garand isn't ejecting all the time, have you considered an adjustable gas plug?

How would a adjustable gas screw help??

The OP didnt give enough info.
Is the rifle failing to pick up the next round?
If so it is short stroking and can be a number or combination of things
Worn gas cylinder
worn op rod piston
Cracked gas screw
gas screw not tight
gas screw leaking
worn op rod spring
improperly lubed
bent op rod
plugged gas port

bigdawg86
07-12-2012, 1:02 PM
I use BL-C(2)... i haven't used a chrono or anything, but it works well.

Gunsrruss
07-12-2012, 9:25 PM
24gr of BLC-2 on a 75gr Hornady match with OAL of 2.250. Have a nice day....
Don't get all hung up on trying to make a bullet go fast. If you want 3,000 then try a 62gr or 55gr. But you will get real accurate shooting with what I gave you.

Nacinator
07-12-2012, 9:31 PM
+++++++TAC++++++++++++++

bubbapug1
07-12-2012, 9:57 PM
TAC



tac...use 23.4 grains for that load, it will get you out to 600 yards with ease and you will be stable and accurate too.

with a 77 grain smk and 23.4 of tac my 5 shot chrony is 2680 2685 2685 2683 2680...use all the same brass if you can.

That's with a 20" RRA NM SS Barrel, 1/8 twist - burro 65 F 46% RH

2shotjoe
07-13-2012, 9:43 AM
K, looks like I need to pick up a 20" barrel sometime.

GeoffLinder
07-13-2012, 8:19 PM
Oops, double post, Doh!

GeoffLinder
07-13-2012, 8:20 PM
TAC



tac...use 23.4 grains for that load, it will get you out to 600 yards with ease and you will be stable and accurate too.

with a 77 grain smk and 23.4 of tac my 5 shot chrony is 2680 2685 2685 2683 2680...use all the same brass if you can.

That's with a 20" RRA NM SS Barrel, 1/8 twist - burro 65 F 46% RH

Yep, 2650 to 2700 is just fine for a 75-77gr at 600 yards. Even though a 20" bl will give you a longer powder burn time and some more fps, a 16" pushing a 75-77gr at just about 2600 fps is going to work just about as well at 600 yards. It won't get there as fast and will have a little more wind drift but it will still hold MOA or better if "you" can hold MOA or better ;)

2shotjoe
07-16-2012, 9:18 AM
So I load Varget at 25gn since the Varget chart says max load and its 2900fps with 75gn bullet. Zeroed my scope, Nikon M-223, at 25 yards for 600 yard zero with the Nikon Spot On program. At the 600 yard match yesterday I was 3-4 feet high. :shrug:

At the last string, I had 2 misses due to wind so I got 392 score out of 600. I at least beat two other guys using ar's with 20" barrels. :D There was a guy that had a ar-15 a2 doing iron sights with a 20" match barrel, he did pretty good and got over 500 score. Also, he was using a 82gn bullet.


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rudynix
07-17-2012, 2:19 PM
As others have said 3000fps is unrealistic, but as far as ball powders are concerned that will meter well, I've used H335, but it is dirty, and temperature sensitive. I just recently purchased 8lbs. of CFE223 powder, which meters very well, and runs clean in my AR. I am still working up an accurate load using this powder, but I am getting sub-moa groups at 100yards. Max loads using this powder should get you around 2800fps with the 75gr bullets. I've also used Varget, and get very accurate loads from it, but it does not meter very well being a stick powder.