Where did honor, intergrity and keeping your word dissappear to?

[bobfried]

Steps in a PPT:

1) Discuss about item
2) Agree on the terms of the transaction
3) Agree on a PRICE
4) Meet to inspect item and if satisfactory do the deal

Pretty easy yes? Well it seems not for the last several people I have had to deal with. Apparently agreeing on the price, terms, locations, inspecting the item and finding it satisfactory isn't enough for some. They think it's some sort of right to RENEG on their agreement of the price by bargaining with me. We are standing in an FFL place of business haggling, I am quite tee'd off as I'm sure is the FFL. I get some crazy "This isn't what I want" story; oh wait, so I just drove 40 miles to meet someone at an FFL because of what?

The funny part is it's not even about the price to me, it's a matter of principle. When we explicitly agree on a price, I expect YOU to honor that agreement. Any haggling could have been done over the phone, it's embarrassing to stand in a person place of business and bargain/argue over a price I though was already agreed upon.

So please, all of you buyers that want to do PPT with anyone else.

HONOR YOUR WORDS!

[SemiAutoSam]

Your history of FB left for others does not reflect you had a negative experience with anyone.

If you had a negative experience with someone NEG them.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/itrader.php?u=5210&iv=4

[Diabolus]

I had that happen to me once here as well - sucks when you are arguing in front of the FFL doing the paperwork.

[thedrickel]

Your history of FB left for others does not reflect you had a negative experience with anyone.

If you had a negative experience with someone think about NEGing them.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/itrader.php?u=5210&iv=4

Where are the rules for iTrader? Can you leave feedback for someone when the transaction wasn't completed? (IE buyer backs out at the last minute)

[-hanko]

Steps in a PPT:

1) Discuss about item
2) Agree on the terms of the transaction
3) Agree on a PRICE
4) Meet to inspect item and if satisfactory do the deal

Pretty easy yes? Well it seems not for the last several people I have had to deal with. Apparently agreeing on the price, terms, locations, inspecting the item and finding it satisfactory isn't enough for some. They think it's some sort of right to RENEG on their agreement of the price by bargaining with me. We are standing in an FFL place of business haggling, I am quite tee'd off as I'm sure is the FFL. I get some crazy "This isn't what I want" story; oh wait, so I just drove 40 miles to meet someone at an FFL because of what?

The funny part is it's not even about the price to me, it's a matter of principle. When we explicitly agree on a price, I expect YOU to honor that agreement. Any haggling could have been done over the phone, it's embarrassing to stand in a person place of business and bargain/argue over a price I though was already agreed upon.

So please, all of you buyers that want to do PPT with anyone else.

HONOR YOUR WORDS!
Who were they??

-hanko

[mike100]

Raise the price of the gun and then lower it about three times through desperate post "bumping". People like to feel like they really twisted a knife in your gut before they feel like the deal was a good one for them.

It's like the a-holes at the swap meet that keep coming by saying they got $5 for something that is worth a lot more than that.

[scootergmc]

Who were they??

-hanko


Maybe someone in this thread...

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=58194

[461]

I agree on price before ever posting that an item is sold or spoken for. As far as I'm concerned, the deal is set in stone before ever leaving the keyboard unless (upon in person examination) the item turns out to be in a lesser condition than advertised. I've actually gone through with a deal when I felt the item turned out to be slightly less than I expected just because I had agreed to the deal and had a significant time investment already.

I'd walk away if anybody started haggling with me after driving to the ffl to do the transfer unless it was over an issue of condition or a problem I was not aware of.

bobfried- I think you've got every right to be PO'd, I'd also post a negative on the feedback so everyone else knew to watch out.

[AJAX22]

A deal is a deal,

I recently swapped away a gun that was much nicer than I remembered it being, (a complete sporterized nagant with a forged sniper bolt that might have been original), I remembered it being a parts gun I was keeping around for a donor.

once you say that its a deal, you're committed. how much is your good name worth? I'd like to think that mine is worth more than the price of a gun.

[Japedo]

I know who you are talking about:)
I have been the buyer in 99% of all transactions, and one trade that might have been mentioned in this thread somewhere:eek: I have tried to be upfront and honest as I can with every dealing. I have never haggled the price with anyone, what they have asked for, I have given them. Everyone I've done business with on this forum has been great. There was one deal for a pistol, the seller asked 399, I showed up and gave him 400, he was so intent of giving me my dollar, we went next door, and he bought me a soda. I've met Monsterman in an inconspicious parking lot at 11pm to buy a couple of grips, so I could save a couple of bucks on shipping.
The way I see it a deal is a deal, when I go to do a transfer, I usuallly don't inspect the item that much, I just do a quick visual check, rack the slide and look down the barrel. In every deal I've done, I've had to drive a minimmum of 50 miles, which I don't mind as I do it daily, so the way I see it is I'm already interested, I've already made the drive, and I already have the money, so I'm going to buy it.
I understand the headache with someone that wants to haggle, and does business different, it makes us honest people look bad.
I had a great trade with ajax22, and I hope to do business again. After he pulled his rifle from storage, I offered him the trade plus cash. I also offered to buy his rifle outright, if he changed his mind on my item. I guess its a good thing he wanted my item.
I've also had on a couple deals, while doing a transfer the seller would tell me that after the deal was set, someone PM'd them offering them more money. I thank them for not backing out.

just my .02


A deal is a deal,

I recently swapped away a gun that was much nicer than I remembered it being, (a complete sporterized nagant with a forged sniper bolt that might have been original), I remembered it being a parts gun I was keeping around for a donor.

once you say that its a deal, you're committed. how much is your good name worth? I'd like to think that mine is worth more than the price of a gun.

[DB2]

I have this happen on occasion with my customers. I quote a price over the phone, they say fine. I go out and measure the job, and it's a litte bigger than what they called in. I let it go and leave the price the same. Then here it comes, " aw come on that window doesn't cost that much you can give me a better deal than that". I stand firm, in a polite way. They say well I only think it's worth this. At that point I RAISE the price. Shuts them down every time.:tt2: Alot of people are like that, there's nothing wrong with a little bargaining, but some take it way to far, especially AFTER you agree is just plain wrong.

[The SoCal Gunner]

I've had good experiences with all the firearms I've purchased or sold with members of this forum. All the non-firearm items I've sold, I have mostly shipped. Haven't had any problems.

The only reason I would ever dispute the price during a FTF meet is over something that could not have been seen in the picture or something that the seller did not disclose. Of course in communication I would always state I will take the item if the condition is as stated and many times the seller would tell me it is not a problem if I don't want it or assure me of the condition.

I am a little hesitant to do business with newer members with little or no posts or feedback but even then I have not had a problem when selling a $500 upper.

I remember when I was looking to buy a motorcycle I had driven 50 miles and ended up looking at a motorcycle that was used as a track bike. The seller did not think it important to tell me that over the phone but instead told me the bike was in perfect condition. The POS has stickers covering the dents and scratches and was far from perfect.

[Dump1567]

That's why I require payment in advance before I meet. I treat the transaction as if it was e-bay or gunbroker.

I just watched a seller waiting around Ade's for over an hour for a buyer that never showed.

[The SoCal Gunner]

That's why I require payment in advance before I meet. I treat the transaction as if it was e-bay or gunbroker.

I just watched a seller waiting around Ade's for over an hour for a buyer that never showed.

Was this for a M1A?

[chickenfried]

Have you lost any sales because of this policy?

Not talking about you personally. But if I was buying something that required us to meet in person and the seller wanted advanced payment. I'd think something smelled rotten in Denmark.

That's why I require payment in advance before I meet. I treat the transaction as if it was e-bay or gunbroker.

I just watched a seller waiting around Ade's for over an hour for a buyer that never showed.

[Dump1567]

Was this for a M1A?

Yep. I take it that was yours?

Have you lost any sales because of this policy?

Not talking about you personally. But if I was buying something that required us to meet in person and the seller wanted advanced payment. I'd think something smelled rotten in Denmark.

I state it in my listing. I don't sell junk and have over 60 postitives on GB and over 200 on e-bay and will give any buyer my references. Recently, I've been just taking stuff over to Ade's to let him sell it.

[The SoCal Gunner]

Yep. I take it that was yours?



No. But if it is the same person I am thinking of, he was telling me about the incident while I was doing a PPT with him for another firearm.

[SnWnMe]

When I say I'll take it. I mean just that. Warts and all.

[Tyler]

Well I just had my first bad experience dealing with a calguns member. I waited at the gun shop for 45 minutes and the guy never showed up. Funny, because the day before that we had talked on the phone to make sure we were on the same page. He was happy about the trade, and so was I. He has not returned any of my calls or PMs since then. And I have checked and seen that he has logged on to calguns a number of times both last night and today. What kind of "man" does that? How inconsiderate. If you want to back out of a deal call and tell the person, you are still pretty damn lame, but having them wait and then just hiding from contact is some astoundingly bad taste. And in the spirit of keeping this from happening to others, I warn all that wish to deal with Jedidiah (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/member.php?u=9752) in the future. I am just beyond annoyed right now :mad:

***Rant over***