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Paper Boy
07-09-2012, 7:08 AM
The normal warning

This data is good for MY gun, it may not work or be safe for you gun. Load accordingly....


I wanted to have more Blue Dot data but I ran out of brass when I was loading it so I only have one set of results...

http://inlinethumb19.webshots.com/50066/2396250830072664822S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2396250830072664822FZfgwZ)

http://inlinethumb44.webshots.com/51627/2964652600072664822S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2964652600072664822HrfKkL)

http://inlinethumb60.webshots.com/50171/2194276910072664822S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2194276910072664822qPMrAH)

DRAB_81
07-09-2012, 10:45 AM
You might want to re-chrono those loads, and test a known velocity load to verify that the chrono is setup right. The reason I say that, is that I was getting 300fps more with charges that were over 1.0gr less than yours.

Copied & Pasted from my post in the GT 9x25 Dillon Reloading Forum:

Sea Level, 65* F
6" LWD Barrel
Wolff 22# Spring
1.26 OAL
Hodgdon Longshot
CCI350 Primers
115gr XTP
9x25 Dillon Die sized Starline Brass

10.4gr
1697
1696
1718
1705
1710
Ave: 1705
ES: 22

10.6gr
1714
1717
1690
1710
1709
Ave: 1708
ES: 27

10.8gr
1701
1708
1735
1719
1698
Ave: 1712
ES: 37

11.0gr
1755
1781
1730
1739
1750
Ave: 1751
ES: 51

11.2gr
1758
1755
1744
1759
1746
Ave: 1752
ES: 15

I also put (10) more of my 90gr XTP/12.2gr Longshot/CCI350 loads through the chrono, just to confirm the numbers from previous testing. They are consistent with my last chrono session, averaging 2048fps with an ES of 27.

Paper Boy
07-09-2012, 11:46 AM
You might want to re-chrono those loads, and test a known velocity load to verify that the chrono is setup right. The reason I say that, is that I was getting 300fps more with charges that were over 1.0gr less than yours.


Hmmmmmmmmmm.... New chrono, first time it’s been used so I guess I will have to verify its reading correctly. I will try and get back out and confirm the velocities.



Edit, found my email from Ramshot with their recommended load data, seems I am comparable with their data actually even running a bit faster.

From Ramshots reply for load data,
Caliber: 9mmx25 Dillon.
Barrel length: 6”
Powder: Ramshot –- SILHOUETTE®.
Bullet weight: 115 grains.
Start load: 9.0 grains (ca 1275 Fps) Maximum load: 10.0 grains (ca 1450 Fps

Paper Boy
07-10-2012, 7:02 AM
Wonder if its because you used Hodgdon Longshot and I was loading SILHOUETTE

DRAB_81
07-10-2012, 7:11 AM
Wonder if its because you used Hodgdon Longshot and I was loading SILHOUETTE

Dammit!!! I meant to post my Blue Dot data to compare with your Blue Dot data. I'll see if I can go dig up the data I should have posted.

Paper Boy
07-10-2012, 7:34 AM
Dammit!!! I meant to post my Blue Dot data to compare with your Blue Dot data. I'll see if I can go dig up the data I should have posted.

:D Gotcha, I was wondering about that.

DRAB_81
07-10-2012, 7:47 AM
I can't find mine, but here's some other data for 115gr JHP's & Blue Dot:


Sierra 115 gr JHP (.355 dia.)
Winchester WLP primers
5 shot strings

11.5 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1611
2) 1562
3) 1607
4) 1561
5) 1593
Extreme Spread : 50

12.0 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1648
2) 1651
3) 1604
4) 1641
5) 1609
Extreme Spread : 47

13.0 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1735
2) 1700
3) 1689
4) 1696
5) 1672
Extreme Spread : 63

Longshot is the best powder I have used in the 9x25, getting the top velocities from 90gr-124gr & has great accuracy.

Paper Boy
07-10-2012, 10:06 AM
I will have to look into Longshot. Been using Silhouette because I had a pound sitting around. Got some Blue Dot to start loading 10mm and laded a test string for 9x25. You can feel the difference between the two, the Blue Dot recoil seemed much sharper.

I will load up some more Blue Dot tonight at 12 Gr. and use it to compare to the data you put up. I think I will get back out in about two weeks and I will put results up again.



How far back are you shooting from you Chrono?

DRAB_81
07-10-2012, 2:07 PM
I set my chrono up about 15ft from the bench, no less than 12ft.

scfrogmansc
07-26-2012, 2:03 PM
Just received my dies from Dillon today, any one have data for 95gr with blue dot? i am shooting out of a Glock 20 with 6inch Jarvis barrel

DRAB_81
07-26-2012, 4:15 PM
Just received my dies from Dillon today, any one have data for 95gr with blue dot? i am shooting out of a Glock 20 with 6inch Jarvis barrel

Here's my 90gr XTP data. I know guys that have used the same data for 95gr JHP's, so you can atleast use it as a baseline.

Sea Level, 75* F
6" LWD Barrel
Wolff 22# Spring
1.26 OAL
CCI300 Primers
Alliant Blue Dot
9x25 Dillon Die sized Starline Brass

14.5gr Blue Dot/ CCI300
Average: 1824fps
ES: 44

15.0gr Blue Dot/ CCI300
Average: 1820fps
ES: 29

15.5gr Blue Dot/CCI300
Average: 1846fps
ES: 53

Sea Level, 75* F
6" LWD Barrel
Wolff 22# Spring
1.26 OAL
CCI350 Primers
Alliant Blue Dot
9x25 Dillon Die sized Starline Brass

14.6gr
1968
1918
1988
1917
1941
Ave: 1946
ES: 70

14.8gr
1953
1941
1947
1955
1930
Ave: 1945
ES: 23

15.0gr
1911
1998
1950
1954
1999
Ave: 1962
ES: 88

scfrogmansc
07-26-2012, 11:28 PM
another question is... i sized the brass from new starline 10mm brass... once the brass becomes 9x25 can it be resized to 10 mm again?

Paper Boy
07-27-2012, 6:33 AM
another question is... i sized the brass from new starline 10mm brass... once the brass becomes 9x25 can it be resized to 10 mm again?

I wouldn't do that. Thats alot of stress on the brass. I dont even know if it would work.

I lube and size the brass with the Dillion dies, then use RCBS 9mm expander die to give the case mouth some flare so it will accept the bullet, after working the brass that much them firing it stretching it BACK to 10MM would probably cause issues.

Why would you want to?

scfrogmansc
07-27-2012, 10:58 AM
i was just curious thats all....

how many times can u reload the brass anyways? do you just watch for neck splits?

Paper Boy
07-27-2012, 3:26 PM
Not sure have not had a case fail yet but I have alot of brass that I rotate through so I don't expect to have an issue for a while. I will keep shooting them until the neck splits or starts to look beat up.

fredr1980
07-27-2012, 11:37 PM
I will have to look into Longshot. Been using Silhouette because I had a pound sitting around.

NICE... there are people on Calguns that also run the 9x25 Dillon. I recently picked up a 6" long slide 1911 and 9x25 barrel and just can't get enough of this little round. Here are some of my numbers using Longshot for some final loads that I ended up working up...

6" Barrel 1911
90grain XTP
CCI 350 Primer
12.0 Grains Longshot
2059 FPS 10-Shot Average
37.25 ES
17.06 SD
847 Ft Lbs. Based on Average :D

No pressure signs on the brass, happy with this load so that's what I'm going to stick with for the 90gr XTP's.


6" Barrel 1911
115grain XTP
CCI 350 Primer
10.8 Grains Longshot
1764 FPS 10-Shot Average :rolleyes:
25.83 ES
12.47 SD
794 Ft. Lbs. Based on Average

No pressure signs on this brass also but I was REALLY wanting to push the 115XTP's to over 1800 FPS. Probably load up some at 11.0gr and 11.2 gr and see where that takes me. I had previously tried 11.0gr before settling with the 10.8gr but ended up with VERY flat primers with 11.0gr but then realized the the brass wasn't properly headspaced so that would have caused the flattened primers issue.

Ordered some 124gr XTP's and will work up a load based on some of the findings on other forums. Looking to get the 124's up to 1725-1750 FPS with Longshot... :D

Fred R

Paper Boy
07-28-2012, 6:46 AM
I recently picked up a 6" long slide 1911 and 9x25 barrel and just can't get enough of this little round.

I am actually going to be building a 1911 from an 80% frame in 9x25 Dillon; it won’t be long slide though it will be in the shorter commander configuration. With bluedot I have a feeling there will be some impressive fireballs. :43:

I have a few more Silhouette loads to test and once I get a chance to finish testing the 115G JHP with Bluedot I will probably switch to 90G and play with some loads with bluedot.

Then move onto longshot and start everything over. I wish I had more time to play around with loads and chrono data but I am working a lot of overtime lately and in and out of town.

Thanks for adding your data I am always looking for more :thumbsup:

fredr1980
07-29-2012, 12:13 PM
I am actually going to be building a 1911 from an 80% frame in 9x25 Dillon; it won’t be long slide though it will be in the shorter commander configuration. With bluedot I have a feeling there will be some impressive fireballs. :43:


8voice8,
Sounds like that's going to be a nice pistol :thumbsup: . The only thing about the 9x25 dillon in the 1911 is getting/finding a magazine that will reliably feed, at least on my gun. I have tried both Metalform 10MM and Wilson Combat 10MM mags and they don't feed reliably :( . I've also modified the feedlips on one of the 10MM and another 45acp mag but have yet to get them to feed great. The issue is having the rounds ride high enough in the mag so that they don't slam into the barrels ramp and thus excessively pushing back the bullet into the case. In my 8-round mags, the first 2-3 rounds have this issue but the last 5-6 feed perfectly... going to pick up some 38-super 1911 mags in hopes that they will let the rounds ride higher as usually these are for ramped barrels. still working on this and will update when I find a solution.

Fred R.

Paper Boy
07-29-2012, 3:49 PM
Interesting, i will have to research that a bit. Lool forward to hearing how the 38 super mags work

scfrogmansc
08-07-2012, 1:09 PM
Few questions...
1. I had a jam on my glock 20 yesterday and I noticed I had a stuck case... half got ejected half got stuck (brand new brass first time fired it.) bad brass or loading too hot?

2. I am loading 115gr Sierra JHP over 12GR Blue dot using cci primer.. i am noticing the primers are flattened like signs of over pressure... so i loaded a few at 10gr... and the primers are still flattened... is this because of the 9x25 ( high pressure and all?)

Paper Boy
08-13-2012, 1:05 PM
If it only happened once I would suspect the case was bad. I have seen alot of people load 12g blue dot and be fine, I have some test loads with 12 sitting on my bench. Do you have pics of the primers?

Bill Steele
08-13-2012, 1:19 PM
Few questions...
1. I had a jam on my glock 20 yesterday and I noticed I had a stuck case... half got ejected half got stuck (brand new brass first time fired it.) bad brass or loading too hot?

2. I am loading 115gr Sierra JHP over 12GR Blue dot using cci primer.. i am noticing the primers are flattened like signs of over pressure... so i loaded a few at 10gr... and the primers are still flattened... is this because of the 9x25 ( high pressure and all?)

What brand of primer?

DRAB_81
08-13-2012, 7:01 PM
Few questions...
1. I had a jam on my glock 20 yesterday and I noticed I had a stuck case... half got ejected half got stuck (brand new brass first time fired it.) bad brass or loading too hot?

2. I am loading 115gr Sierra JHP over 12GR Blue dot using cci primer.. i am noticing the primers are flattened like signs of over pressure... so i loaded a few at 10gr... and the primers are still flattened... is this because of the 9x25 ( high pressure and all?)

I had similar issues with hot 10mm and a factory recoil spring (before I started loading the 9x25). My non-expert theory is that cycle speed was the problem. My guess was that the slide was moving so fast under recoil, that the extractor blew past the case rim before it hit the ejector. I dropped in a 22# ISMI setup, problem solved. Just food for thought.

ETA:

Take some pictures of those CCI primers in your fired cases. Most of my primers in 9x25 & 10mm look flatter than my 9's & 45's, but that's just the way they are. Even the factory 10mm UMC primers look on the flat side sometimes.


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Paper Boy
08-19-2012, 1:11 PM
Loaded 124G JHP with 12G Blue Dot.

It was very aggressive, flung the brass (watch the video) large flash, loud as hell and not all that accurate.

Primers were starting to flatten, I wish I had taken some 10mm with me so I could compare the two primers after shooting. Here is the worst one out of the bunch next to a piece of virgin brass and a new primer.

Primers

http://inlinethumb48.webshots.com/51311/2249956280072664822S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2249956280072664822EUlGOV)




Data
My data for my gun - as always work up to this load
http://inlinethumb07.webshots.com/43462/2462203450072664822S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2462203450072664822DAsuNM)

Video
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Going to dial it way down and look for accuracy now, although hearing a little boy ask his dad why his gun "does not sound like that" is cool its not as fun when your grouping sucks.

Paper Boy
08-30-2012, 12:37 PM
For those of you shooting the 90 grain stuff, how are you getting your bullets to seat straight?

DRAB_81
08-30-2012, 9:07 PM
For those of you shooting the 90 grain stuff, how are you getting your bullets to seat straight?

I had a custom seater plug made. I gave a machinist my original 9x25 Dillon seater plug & a few bullets. He cut me a new seater plug for the XTP profile (90/115/124) out of stainless steel. All my bullets seat perfectly straight now.

fredr1980
09-01-2012, 12:46 AM
For those of you shooting the 90 grain stuff, how are you getting your bullets to seat straight?

Are you using an RCBS 9MM expander in your set up after the dillon sizing die? I had the same issues until I went this route, found the solution on another forum and haven't had any issues since. Just use it to expand it slightly more than what the dillon sizing die does. The RCBS 9mm expander works as it fits the 10mm case and others will not.

Regarding the 1911 mag issue, I finally found a solution to that... I picked up some Wolff 10% extra power 45ACP magazine springs and I'm running them in the 10MM metalform mags I have and they now feed 100% reliably. Lost some capacity as they are now 7 round mags versus 8 rounders stock but they feed reliably so that's all that matters. HTH.

Fred R.

Paper Boy
09-04-2012, 8:25 AM
Are you using an RCBS 9MM expander in your set up after the dillon sizing die?

Regarding the 1911 mag issue, I finally found a solution to that...

I am using the RCBS die to expand the case mouth. I was still having some issues though. Ill play with it a bit more.


Nice thanks for the mag info thats good to know.

DRAB_81
09-04-2012, 9:03 AM
I am using the RCBS die to expand the case mouth. I was still having some issues though. Ill play with it a bit more.


Nice thanks for the mag info thats good to know.

I experimented with flaring the case mouth, to the point of being ridiculously over-flared, and I was still consistently having issues with crooked seating. Neither side of the Dillon 9x25 seater plug was making enough contact with the XTP profile. The only part of the bullet that made contact with the die was the very top of the HP. By making a seater plug that only makes contact with the ogive of the XTP, my crooked seating issues have disappeared. The only other real option would be to customize your own plug by putting some epoxy in it, and then making an impression in the epoxy with a greased bullet. You'd probably have to fill the HP cavity with silicon (essentially making it a FP), and get it absolutely dead center in the seater plug/epoxy. That seemed like a pretty diffcult thing to do right, so I went a different route.

Paper Boy
09-04-2012, 9:13 AM
Ya I actually had that though about filling the seater plug somehow to make it have better contact but could not figure out a way to do it correctly.

I think if I can not figure out a consistent way of seating I may just go your route and have a buddy machine me a plug next time I visit him...

By the way, did you take a look at my primer pics in post #24? Do you happen to have any pics of some of your primers from your 10mm or 9x25 to compare them? I didn't take any 10mm last time I went and I wanted to see how much a normal load flattened them, if at all.

O ya and I took a tape messure last time I went, and you were right I had the chrono a bit to close. Made sure it was at 15 feet this last time.

DRAB_81
09-04-2012, 9:42 AM
I think I have some pics of both 10mm & 9x25 primers, I'll post them when I find them.

Here's a couple pics of the seater plugs. Dillon on left, Custom on right. Notice how much free space there is around the XTP in the Dillon plug.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c297/rabara9/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_6825.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c297/rabara9/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2164.jpg


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Paper Boy
09-04-2012, 10:43 AM
Wow that looks nice. I never pulled the plug and put a bullet in it, did not realize how much play there actually was in there....