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Mexican Musashi
07-06-2012, 2:04 PM
Hi guys,

I am still 'new' to guns (I've had my home defense shogun for years but just got around to taking a defensive shotgun class last year) and I am thinking of getting a DTI 16" DTI-4 Rifle (http://www.del-ton.com/DTI_16_DTI_4_Rifle_p/rftm16-0.htm) or something similar.

But my question: Should I be worried that AR's will be completely banned/outlawed in CA at some point? And would such a ban only affect subsequent purchases or would it mean current owners of such guns were required to relinquish them?

I am a bit new to the dynamics of gun laws so I apologize if this is a total noob question.

bbsmth
07-06-2012, 2:10 PM
No, buy your AR-15. All this SB249 hysteria will die down. Just don't go buying mag-magnets if you're not okay with chucking them in the trash in a year or so.

Dantedamean
07-06-2012, 2:16 PM
Dude if anything buy more. If I had the cash I would stock up on so called "conversion kits" and firearms.

repubconserv
07-06-2012, 2:17 PM
No, buy your AR-15. All this SB249 hysteria will die down. Just don't go buying mag-magnets if you're not okay with chucking them in the trash in a year or so.

This x1,000,000,000,000

SB249 is dangerous, but the sky is not falling, Chicken Little. (no offense to OP, I understand that your worry probably is a result of other people who claim to be experienced, I am calling them Chicken little, not you)

snowdog650
07-06-2012, 2:18 PM
Buy it now. Buy two now.

I was never an AR guy ... but I bought 4 stripped lowers a couple months back, 4 bullet buttons, and 4 Raddlocks. This month, I am going to buy 4 LPKs.

I figured that no time is better than now to get rolling with the AR builds.

Relinquish them? Yeah ... no thanks.

chillincody
07-06-2012, 2:19 PM
Umm I am not a lawyer but im pretty sure if this bill does pass we will be able to register and keep our legally owned rifles like people did with RAWs or just go feature less . either way buy your ar15 and have fun with it man IMO if you dont buy one then our gooberment wins by making law abiding citizens afraid to own one just my 0.02

Dantedamean
07-06-2012, 2:21 PM
Umm I am not a lawyer but im pretty sure if this bill does pass we will be able to register and keep our legally owned rifles like people did with RAWs or just go feature less . either way buy your ar15 and have fun with it man IMO if you dont buy one then our gooberment wins by making law abiding citizens afraid to own one just my 0.02

That's what SHOULD happen. Well see what actually does happen.

Calplinker
07-06-2012, 2:36 PM
There's no legal way for them to take our rifles without compensation (not gonna happen) or opening a new registration period.

My advice is to buy away. I bought two new lowers and
BB's today. :).

hornswaggled
07-06-2012, 2:50 PM
Cold Dead Manos

Buy it brother.

SwPx4
07-06-2012, 2:54 PM
Buy baby Buy!!!

Mexican Musashi
07-06-2012, 3:11 PM
Thanks guys! I won't let the looming threat of regulations I don't understand deter me from my purchase.

bbsmth
07-06-2012, 3:20 PM
Umm I am not a lawyer but im pretty sure if this bill does pass we will be able to register and keep our legally owned rifles like people did with RAWs or just go feature less . either way buy your ar15 and have fun with it man IMO if you dont buy one then our gooberment wins by making law abiding citizens afraid to own one just my 0.02

SB249 will not have an effect on your BB'ed AR-15. Only mag-magnets. Everyone saying otherwise is needlessly buying into hysteria. (I'm all for CGF raising money though, so everyone freaking out, continue to send in your checks.)

Ten Rounder
07-06-2012, 4:18 PM
I have been waiting for "TWO WEEKS" from a long time ago and it never came. That was something like 6 years ago.

Then all I can think about is that Heston vidio with him raising his rifle over his head.

SilverTauron
07-06-2012, 7:01 PM
You only live once. In Two Weeks you could get hit by a bus. Don't be that guy wishing he bought an AR but was too scared of the Disarmament Lobby. For all we know a bomb could blow up somewhere and we end up fighting nationally just to keep all of our weapons. The political environment is unpredictable.

Rider1k
07-06-2012, 7:03 PM
Get it. Enjoy it! Even if this passes it wont be law for a year from now.

timdps
07-06-2012, 8:23 PM
I have been waiting for "TWO WEEKS" from a long time ago and it never came. That was something like 6 years ago.

Then all I can think about is that Heston vidio with him raising his rifle over his head.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/timdps/Draco/wolverines2.jpg

Oceanbob
07-06-2012, 8:38 PM
The State of Kalifornistan doesn't have the money to buy back a million AR platform rifles. Buy as many as you can, now.

Ceseuron
07-06-2012, 9:01 PM
Hi guys,

I am still 'new' to guns (I've had my home defense shogun for years but just got around to taking a defensive shotgun class last year) and I am thinking of getting a DTI 16" DTI-4 Rifle (http://www.del-ton.com/DTI_16_DTI_4_Rifle_p/rftm16-0.htm) or something similar.

But my question: Should I be worried that AR's will be completely banned/outlawed in CA at some point? And would such a ban only affect subsequent purchases or would it mean current owners of such guns were required to relinquish them?

I am a bit new to the dynamics of gun laws so I apologize if this is a total noob question.

You do what everyone else in this thread has already told you to do. You go out and you buy the A/R of your choice. These sorts of misgivings are EXACTLY what politicians like Comrade Yee are hoping for. Even if SB249 doesn't make it into law, if enough fear is instilled in the population of what Big Bad California Government might do to you if you buy an "evil black rifle" and people avoid them as a result, then Comrade Yee will have already accomplished his goal without ever having passed an actual law.

randver
07-06-2012, 9:07 PM
ya go register your AR like people did with the SKS's that where confiscated without compensation

frankm
07-06-2012, 9:10 PM
ya go registration your AR like people did with the SKS's that where confiscated without compensation

Exactly. And if you currently own a RAW, you also signed that they have the right to come into your home to inspect it. Never trust commies.

ColdDeadHands1
07-06-2012, 11:36 PM
Exactly. And if you currently own a RAW, you also signed that they have the right to come into your home to inspect it. Never trust commies.

I'll repeat, NEVER trust commies. And understand that this state has a sh$%load of them. :mad:

http://www.theflyinggoose.com/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/44543795-charlton-heston-nra466ap.jpg

killmime1234
07-06-2012, 11:55 PM
Buy it. If the now-infamous AB249 passes with it's current verbiage, bullet buttoned ARs will still be legal! Bullet buttons do not fall under Lee's current definition of a "conversion kit."

There are a lot of people spreading bad information unintentionally right now. Don't let the hype keep you from exercising your right.

CBruce
07-07-2012, 12:04 AM
You do what everyone else in this thread has already told you to do. You go out and you buy the A/R of your choice. These sorts of misgivings are EXACTLY what politicians like Comrade Yee are hoping for. Even if SB249 doesn't make it into law, if enough fear is instilled in the population of what Big Bad California Government might do to you if you buy an "evil black rifle" and people avoid them as a result, then Comrade Yee will have already accomplished his goal without ever having passed an actual law.

And subsequently makes it easier to get support for the next round of stupid laws to take care of those evil black rifles now that even more voters innocent civilians are terrified of the immenent murder spree.

DarkSoul
07-07-2012, 7:07 AM
You do what everyone else in this thread has already told you to do. You go out and you buy the A/R of your choice. These sorts of misgivings are EXACTLY what politicians like Comrade Yee are hoping for. Even if SB249 doesn't make it into law, if enough fear is instilled in the population of what Big Bad California Government might do to you if you buy an "evil black rifle" and people avoid them as a result, then Comrade Yee will have already accomplished his goal without ever having passed an actual law.

My sentiments exactly, it seems to me that these bills are so poorly written, that there are only two possible explanations as to why and how this could be, 1. The author is just completely incompetent, and really either has no understanding of all aspects of public service, and the constitution, and the law in general, or 2. It's by design to do exactly what Ceseuron states, it's a ruse to SCARE the populous into believing that what we are doing is illegal, or at least shady, with the intention of scaring the citizenry into submission.

Don't be scared by their BS, go buy your legal firearm, and use and enjoy your legal firearm, don't cave to these idiots in office trying to crush your constitutional rights. And lastly, make sure you sign the anti-SB249 letters and make you calls in opposition to them.

Kappy
07-07-2012, 8:24 AM
All this makes me want to buy another Mosin and bury it in the backyard... and a couple cases of ammo.

ohnozombeez
07-07-2012, 3:39 PM
Yup stock up now.......I'm looking for a ar10 actually and might go and build one.

javalos
07-07-2012, 4:39 PM
Not buying is what they want you to do. Don't give the Marxists the satisfaction, buy American, buy an AR.

Window_Seat
07-07-2012, 4:45 PM
If you don't buy because of AB-249 or any other reason that equates to oppression of freedoms, then you will have made the 2A abolitionists happy.

BUY NOW, AND BUY MORE!!!

Erik.

chillincody
07-07-2012, 5:02 PM
Buy it. If the now-infamous AB249 passes with it's current verbiage, bullet buttoned ARs will still be legal! Bullet buttons do not fall under Lee's current definition of a "conversion kit."

There are a lot of people spreading bad information unintentionally right now. Don't let the hype keep you from exercising your right.

Is this true?? Im not the best at reading laws but it seems kinda vague how its written , seems like they could wiggle the BB into the conversion part catogorie:confused: .

Silverlake223
07-07-2012, 5:03 PM
Buy Buy Buy! Hell I would. Not to mention the tax dollars you will be giving the Dems to squander :-)

unusedusername
07-07-2012, 7:45 PM
Don't consider 249 in your purchasing decisions. It can still be amended to different language, or fail outright.

Do email your congresscritters about it so it does fail.

wash
07-07-2012, 9:20 PM
Is this true?? Im not the best at reading laws but it seems kinda vague how its written , seems like they could wiggle the BB into the conversion part catogorie:confused: .
Well if you read the memo that Yee sent to the AG, he wants bullet button OLL (and probably featureless OLL) rifles banned.

He might even get it with AB249 but if any case can bring the full power of CGF, Alan Gura and probably SAF/NRA to California, it will be to challenge AB249 if it does ban bullet button rifles.

Personally, I will not be changing my OLL buying habits (but my paperweight collection is decreasing rapidly).

RRangel
07-07-2012, 9:44 PM
You should buy ten just because Leland Yee doesn't want you to.

ClarenceBoddicker
07-07-2012, 9:52 PM
Gun bans are bad for Liberty, but great for investing. Look how much those $179 pre 1989 Geroge HW Bush ban AKs are worth now. Yes, at some point CA will ban or very heavily restrict all semi-autos. That is just the natural progression with anti-gun laws. Look what was done in the UK & Australia, as CA will follow that model. Who knows when that will happen. Buy what you can afford, save the box, shoot it & sell it out of state before the ban takes effect. If you are a serious gun owner there is a pretty good chance you will decide to stop supporting communism & leave CA for good.

RRangel
07-07-2012, 10:23 PM
Yes, at some point CA will ban or very heavily restrict all semi-autos.

You're slipping. The state's "assault weapon" ban is on shaky legal ground.

ChaneRZ
07-07-2012, 11:54 PM
Buy now!

OlderThanDirt
07-08-2012, 8:24 AM
I was worried about buying another AR, so I bought another AK instead. YEEHAW!!!!!

ClarenceBoddicker
07-08-2012, 2:17 PM
You're slipping. The state's "assault weapon" ban is on shaky legal ground.

Not that I agree with or support (I didn't register my AWs but sold them out of state later for a big profit) Roberti Roos or SB23, but IMO they are here to stay in CA. I remember all the bravado talk about repealing the ban in 1989 that has come to nothing. CA has gotten much worse since 1989 & I fully expect it to continue it's downward slide into liberal utopia. The SCOTUS is not going to save the dummy CA residents from themselves. We are all free to leave if we can't stand it any longer.

Anchors
07-08-2012, 4:16 PM
There's no legal way for them to take our rifles without compensation (not gonna happen) or opening a new registration period.

My advice is to buy away. I bought two new lowers and
BB's today. :).

I also never thought an ex post facto law would stand up to supreme court scrutiny (DV=lifetime ban)...

RRangel
07-08-2012, 4:56 PM
Not that I agree with or support (I didn't register my AWs but sold them out of state later for a big profit) Roberti Roos or SB23, but IMO they are here to stay in CA. I remember all the bravado talk about repealing the ban in 1989 that has come to nothing. CA has gotten much worse since 1989 & I fully expect it to continue it's downward slide into liberal utopia. The SCOTUS is not going to save the dummy CA residents from themselves. We are all free to leave if we can't stand it any longer.

Bravado talk? You haven't been paying attention. Thankfully the Calguns Foundation does not agree.

diginit
07-08-2012, 5:43 PM
Wouldn't the state have to compensate us for confiscating previously legally owned conversion kits if this POS bill passes? Does Yee even know what a conversion kit is? It is kit to change the caliber of a rifle. From larger to smaller. With lesser chance to do bodily harm due to the smaller projectile. Hello...
God I am so sick of paying legislators salaries when they cannot cross a street unescorted.

ar15robert
07-08-2012, 5:53 PM
I got my armalite in 97 cause i knew ca was going to outlaw them in the future.

I should have bought a couple more stripped lowers but when the price went from 79 to 99 bucks i thought was expensive.Same goes for the ar10 at 1000 that went to 1100 bucks.

Now i look back and say over 20 bucks i passed and same goes for the ar10 now you cant even build a neutered one for that.Could have had these as registered assault weapons legally today instead i only got one armalite m15 a2.

diginit
08-16-2012, 7:34 PM
so this thread just ended? No intelligent answers? Not even a stupid one? WTF?

hornswaggled
08-16-2012, 7:50 PM
so this thread just ended? No intelligent answers? Not even a stupid one? WTF?

It ended with Californians telling Yee go f- himself. End of story.

Moonshine
08-16-2012, 8:53 PM
Quick contribution to this thread, buying more AR-15s is GOOD. When there are millions out there it makes things like confiscation much more difficult and therefore helps shut down bills like SB-249. Any attorney would advise that you need to compensate and its a lot easier to compensate hundreds than it is millions.

bluewrx
08-16-2012, 9:13 PM
No don't buy an AR15 but buy as many as you can afford plus as many AKs as well.

DrjonesUSA
09-15-2012, 12:23 PM
Hi guys,

I am still 'new' to guns (I've had my home defense shogun for years but just got around to taking a defensive shotgun class last year) and I am thinking of getting a DTI 16" DTI-4 Rifle (http://www.del-ton.com/DTI_16_DTI_4_Rifle_p/rftm16-0.htm) or something similar.

But my question: Should I be worried that AR's will be completely banned/outlawed in CA at some point? And would such a ban only affect subsequent purchases or would it mean current owners of such guns were required to relinquish them?

I am a bit new to the dynamics of gun laws so I apologize if this is a total noob question.


What, are you going to turn it in if the good government tells you to?

tpc13
09-15-2012, 1:19 PM
Turn in nothing look at Australia they're crime rate us high because government took their gun and it's now a country of Victims who cannot protect themselves

Bt Doctur
09-15-2012, 1:38 PM
you do what Free Americans do, you bury a few in LTSC`s. 8 inch pvc is handy,
dessicant, cleaning kit, ammo, magazines

ivsamhell
09-15-2012, 1:42 PM
you do what Free Americans do, you bury a few in LTSC`s. 8 inch pvc is handy,
dessicant, cleaning kit, ammo, magazines

If its time to bury them, its time to use them.

calixt0
09-15-2012, 2:40 PM
If its time to bury them, its time to use them.

what ever happened to the bumper stickers that said "they can have my guns when they pry it from my cold dead hands"

mudbass7
09-17-2012, 5:08 PM
I began searching about how to build my first AR as SOON as i even heard about SB249.
I'm half way done right now, and my future builds will be.... ''non-existant''
so when they come to take my one registered AR, they can have it, and all the cheap *** parts i put on it.
Non of their business what else i got.

Lugiahua
09-17-2012, 5:14 PM
more the AR you bought, more you helped on the cause....so DO IT!

Lugiahua
09-17-2012, 5:17 PM
what ever happened to the bumper stickers that said "they can have my guns when they pry it from my cold dead hands"

http://www.imfdb.org/images/f/fb/RedDawnM1911A1DeadPrea.jpg:cool:

ivsamhell
09-17-2012, 5:21 PM
I began searching about how to build my first AR as SOON as i even heard about SB249.
I'm half way done right now, and my future builds will be.... ''non-existant''
so when they come to take my one registered AR, they can have it, and all the cheap *** parts i put on it.
Non of their business what else i got.

why did you register it?

Mendo223
09-17-2012, 11:47 PM
due to the possibility of future legislations against semi auto rifles such as AR and AK..i am STOCKING UP BABY!!

i bought a lower and an AK 47 JUST BECAUSE OF SB249! if sb249 wasnt an issue i probably would have sat on my *** and saved my money, but i pulled money out of savings just to purchase this to spite leland yee and the anti gunnies...

im just crazy enogh to maybe splurge and buy an AR pistol and maybe a 308 ar10...

Excelsior
09-18-2012, 1:50 AM
Not buying is what they want you to do. Don't give the Marxists the satisfaction, buy American, buy an AR.

"Marxists?" :rolleyes:

stix213
09-18-2012, 2:02 AM
due to the possibility of future legislations against semi auto rifles such as AR and AK..i am STOCKING UP BABY!!

i bought a lower and an AK 47 JUST BECAUSE OF SB249! if sb249 wasnt an issue i probably would have sat on my *** and saved my money, but i pulled money out of savings just to purchase this to spite leland yee and the anti gunnies...

im just crazy enogh to maybe splurge and buy an AR pistol and maybe a 308 ar10...

I hear they are next going after semi-auto shotguns, better put a Saiga 12 in your inventory too! :D ;)

ClarenceBoddicker
09-18-2012, 2:42 AM
Quick contribution to this thread, buying more AR-15s is GOOD. When there are millions out there it makes things like confiscation much more difficult and therefore helps shut down bills like SB-249. Any attorney would advise that you need to compensate and its a lot easier to compensate hundreds than it is millions.

Most guns bought post 1969 are Federally registered, via the 4473/NICS ATF registration system. When that bad time comes when guns for most citizens will be outlawed, most will surrender them without a fight. For most gun owners they are simply toys that are not worth a long prison sentence or getting killed over. Each generation will see a smaller percentage of the population owning guns, especially after the boomers die off. Go to some gun shows & compare the percentage of young people to older ones. The future of the 2A is being brainwashed by the taxpayer funded socialist/union run public school system complex. Make a graph of the number of gun sales/owners since the colonial era & notice the downward trend compared to the past.

Biff...
09-18-2012, 4:50 AM
Buy Buy Buy


That is all.

yuccales
09-18-2012, 6:19 AM
I think "Leland Yee Special Edition" engraved on a lower would be kinda cool.

Goosebrown
09-18-2012, 6:21 AM
Buy! Bought my first 4 lowers this summer. Going to try to get a couple more at some point... I am actually at the point where I can't think of any cool uppers that I want now... Still having the lowers is good.

Goosebrown
09-18-2012, 6:24 AM
"It ended with Californians telling Yee go f- himself. End of story. "

Want this to be true, but he'll be back. This isn't over. In the rest of the country it might be, but not here. We will have to fight for our rights every single day of our lives.

OleCuss
09-18-2012, 6:40 AM
'Tis true that there is a good likelihood that Yee will resurrect SB249 in the next session. It is not, however, overly likely that it will be passed by the legislature and signed by Brown.

Standby for further action, but we're not likely to lose this one in the long run.

OleCuss
09-18-2012, 6:40 AM
'Tis true that there is a good likelihood that Yee will resurrect SB249 in the next session. It is not, however, overly likely that it will be passed by the legislature and signed by Brown.

Standby for further action, but we're not likely to lose this one in the long run.