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abishai
07-06-2012, 1:34 PM
Hi all,
So I'm new here. Was really looking forward to getting into 3-Gun, was all set to buy my CA-Legal AR, and then SB 249 comes along (which I am tirelessly opposing through all channels possible). So, now I'm in a holding pattern.

From my research, the Mini 14 looks to be the way to go. I'd really like a setup like this (the fixed-stock CA-Legal version pictured) http://sageebr.com/2010/07/07/mini-1430-scarcqb.aspx

Comments? Suggestions? Alternatives? Advice?

Anyone have one for sale?

Thanks!

BlackTydeTactical
07-06-2012, 1:42 PM
Welcome aboard!

SuperSet
07-06-2012, 1:45 PM
To build a CA legal 3-gun AR, your best bet is still featureless. Fixed stock, Solar Tactical grip and muzzle brake. Welcome to CalGuns!

h0use
07-06-2012, 5:09 PM
welcome

abishai
07-06-2012, 5:25 PM
To build a CA legal 3-gun AR, your best bet is still featureless. Fixed stock, Solar Tactical grip and muzzle brake. Welcome to CalGuns!

So, as long as the rifle does not have any of the "evil features", then it may have a detachable magazine? Is then the most common—and legal—route (for competition) to replace the bullet button (assuming I buy a complete rifle) with a standard mag release button, or to use something like the (dare I say) Mag Magnet? Again, this assumes I'm converting a CA-complete into a featureless. I want to do things right.

SuperSet
07-06-2012, 5:37 PM
Correct. Having no evil features allows you to have a standard magazine release and you can use high-caps. You don't need a mag magnet if you have a standard mag release. Not sure what you meant by buying a complete rifle as you can build it from scratch, as long you dont have the evil features. I built my 3-gun rifle starting with stripped Stag-15 and Kaiser Defense lowers and picked my own trigger, stock, handguard, barrel, optics, etc..
There is a Featureless Rifle Thread that you should check out for all the different configs. Here is one of my 3-gun builds:

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s22/dudeimaginethis/CaliLegalAR15-SolarTacticalGrip2.jpg

SuperSet
07-06-2012, 5:47 PM
PS. There is a Competition forum here on CGN so be sure to check there for any match postings and other Competition questions.

SoCal Bob
07-06-2012, 6:09 PM
Welcome to Calguns.

den888
07-06-2012, 6:15 PM
Welcome, several Mini-14's on sale on this board.

bsg
07-06-2012, 6:31 PM
welcome to the forum.

fighterpilot562
07-06-2012, 7:38 PM
Welcome

zod
07-07-2012, 1:10 AM
Welcome aboard.

DeanW66
07-07-2012, 2:08 AM
Welcome aboard!

bbsmth
07-07-2012, 9:39 AM
Hi all,
So I'm new here. Was really looking forward to getting into 3-Gun, was all set to buy my CA-Legal AR, and then SB 249 comes along (which I am tirelessly opposing through all channels possible). So, now I'm in a holding pattern.

From my research, the Mini 14 looks to be the way to go. I'd really like a setup like this (the fixed-stock CA-Legal version pictured) http://sageebr.com/2010/07/07/mini-1430-scarcqb.aspx

Comments? Suggestions? Alternatives? Advice?

Anyone have one for sale?

Thanks!

SB249 will not have an effect on your OLL, featured, but bullet-buttoned AR-15. Only if you intended to use a mag-magnet should SB249 dissuade you from purchasing a CA-legal AR-15.

To build a CA legal 3-gun AR, your best bet is still featureless. Fixed stock, Solar Tactical grip and muzzle brake. Welcome to CalGuns!

I agree. Featureless is much better. It will take some time to get used to the fin grips (or hammerhead grip from Exile Machine), but dropping mags with your finger is nice.

abishai
07-07-2012, 10:17 AM
Thanks for all the replies. I guess my biggest concern is this: I'd like to buy a used, featured, bullet button AR from a friend, and I'm worried about the effect SB249 would have over this IF I left it as is. The language of the bill seems so broad that I fear that the bullet button itself (regardless of mag magnet) will be cause for confiscation.

I understand the benefits of going featureless for competition, but will I basically be left with no other option than featureless if SB249 is passed?

Also, can you guys clarify that hi-caps are okay with featureless? I thought 10 rounds was the limit regardless.

SuperSet
07-07-2012, 10:22 AM
SB249's vagueness is concerning for sure hence the full court press here from CGF and allies. Not sure what will happen if SB249 happens to pass so we'll all have to figure out the next steps after that.
And yes, you can use high caps with featureless builds. Possession not illegal in CA but importation is. If you dont have high caps, you can also borrow them while at the range and use them in your featureless. You should read that magazine sticky thread from Librarian so you can get up on the magazine laws.

MrExel17
07-07-2012, 10:41 AM
Welcome to Calguns!

abishai
07-07-2012, 1:29 PM
@SuperSet
What kind of stock is that on the rifle pictured?

SuperSet
07-07-2012, 1:31 PM
VLTOR A1 fixed. I now run a VLTOR A2 fixed since it fits me a little bit better.

frankDmole
07-09-2012, 10:45 AM
Welcome to CalGuns.

abishai
07-09-2012, 11:17 PM
VLTOR A1 fixed. I now run a VLTOR A2 fixed since it fits me a little bit better.

SuperSet, thanks for the help (cool videos on vimeo, too!). I definitely love that VLTOR A2 stock. Does it look good/fit well with MMG (any pics you can point me to)? I'm only seeing it with the Solar in the featureless threads. I can't decide between the Solar and MMG, but regardless I can't seem to find either online in FDE???