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Kazaam
07-04-2012, 3:31 PM
In 9mm. Anyone have any opinions on which of these is better? Thanks!

(I should note i voted for the CZ 75B so i wouldnt have to view poll results each time. So its really 1 vote closer than the results indicate)

beerman
07-04-2012, 3:38 PM
I own the sig,but have always liked the CZs as well. These(along with the Sig210 and BHPs) are my favorite 9s.

Arkangel
07-04-2012, 4:53 PM
I would vote CZ-75 SP 01, the Sig is nice but there is something special about that CZ.

Rhythm of Life
07-04-2012, 4:54 PM
I own a CZ and after shooting my Uncle's 226 I was really disappointed. YMMV

Williexcited
07-04-2012, 5:09 PM
I looked at both at went for a cz

TATER313
07-04-2012, 5:24 PM
I really love my Cz 75b the sig 226 is nice but I'll keep the Cz any day.

Oldnoob
07-04-2012, 5:52 PM
Own both and still have both. After the first time I detail strip the CZ, I hardly shoot it any more. Will choose Sig over CZ for the design factor.

226 W German x2
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/johell/My%20gun/DoubleSig226.jpg

CZ75 SA
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/johell/My%20gun/CZ75BSA.jpg

unusedusername
07-04-2012, 6:03 PM
Sigs have more ergonomic controls and better triggers.

CZs have a lower bore axis and are generally a bit lighter.

Sigs cost almost 2x.

I personally prefer Sigs.

MiddleKingdom
07-04-2012, 6:09 PM
I have 2 P226s, but I want a CZ-75. My first 9mm was a FIE TZ-75 and I love how it fits in my hand, but it's no CZ. To me the CZ-75 feels better than the P226 because of the grip and lower bore axis. If you're carrying the Sig it may be more comfortable because of the lighter weight. I'm a fan of the P226, but I think I'd go CZ.

Legasat
07-04-2012, 6:52 PM
I have shot both of these models. But these days, I gotta give the nod to the CZ overall. Ten years ago, it would have been Sig. I have several friends with new Sigs, and only one of them was problem free.

TripleThreat
07-04-2012, 6:57 PM
Have both, love both, the price tilts it well to the advantage of the CZ.

Like one person stated, there is something special about CZ's, they have a lot of soul and overall my favorite brand to date.

Both are fine guns, and very few weapons make the "fine" gun list IMO. Even my Browning High Power doesn't make the fine gun list.

jedininja
07-04-2012, 7:14 PM
I've got both as well. I used to give an edge to the CZ because of the ergonomic grip, but then I got trigger job on the CZ which was nice, but with an action enhancement package and SRT on my Sig, I now give the edge to the Sig.

sfhondapilot
07-04-2012, 7:20 PM
Have both. A stainless P226 and a CZ75BD. They are both excellent handguns. I probably like the P226 more due to the stability from the weight of the stainless.

Saym14
07-04-2012, 7:57 PM
both are good. depends which fits your hand better. I voted Sig but I alos like the CZ's that can be cocked and locked.

Bee22
07-04-2012, 8:05 PM
I vote 75b.. Cz comp hammer with 13lb main spring and extended firing pin.
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k43/mistrdeuce/f2df12af.jpg
Don't mind the 1911..

gant
07-04-2012, 8:11 PM
i have a sp01 right now use to have a sig p226 navy


the sig has the better out the box trigger

ergo wise i love my sp01

http://707photo.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/7219048614_4851abbe30_b.jpg

ap3572001
07-04-2012, 8:16 PM
As a carry/duty/off duty gun. P226 will win. As a good, fun range gun, one of the deluxe models CZ is a MUCH better choice.

Kazaam
07-04-2012, 8:46 PM
As a carry/duty/off duty gun. P226 will win. As a good, fun range gun, one of the deluxe models CZ is a MUCH better choice.

Can you please elaborate? I'm as noob as noob can get and I'm genuinely curious! Thanks!

TripleThreat
07-04-2012, 8:54 PM
I'm not a noob, but I'm interested in hearing about this as well.

Kappy
07-04-2012, 9:09 PM
I have a 75B. It has an incredible trigger. It eats ammo and ejects cases 10 yards with most loads.

There is only one gun I'd exchange it for: a CZ 97B. All the gimmicks of the 75 but in 45ACP.

Arkangel
07-04-2012, 9:13 PM
Can you please elaborate? I'm as noob as noob can get and I'm genuinely curious! Thanks!

He probably means the 226 has a better holster selection and will be easier to carry for long periods of time (lighter).

INFAMOUS762X39
07-04-2012, 9:23 PM
I am also in the market for a 9mm. For some reason I am leaning towards a CZ-75 B. Affordable, great Ergo, Nice Trigger, and every CZ I have shot is tons of fun. Only down side is finding one locally.

Outonthegrind
07-04-2012, 9:34 PM
The sig 229 is my favorite self defense pistol. That being said, the 226 is the same except larger (full size vs compact). You can also change the caliber by buying a new barrel and mag and have a 9/.40/.357 (the .40 and the .357 use the same mag, the 9mm has dedicated mags). I will say that I have only shot a cz a few times..that being said I dont feel like im missing anything, P226 all day for me

ap3572001
07-04-2012, 9:38 PM
I'm not a noob, but I'm interested in hearing about this as well.

On average P226 will be more feed reliable with duty style JHP ammunition. Lighter. Out if the box I will trust P226 more than any CZ. Again, I ONLY talking about carry guns. As I said before. An all steel CZ with adjustable sights is a better range gun.

tbc
07-04-2012, 9:41 PM
There are many models in a CZ 75B and in a Sig P226. If I get to choose any models from these two platforms, I would pick the P226 5X Competition.


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Outonthegrind
07-04-2012, 9:44 PM
Id also like to mention I've never had a jam or failure to fire with any of my sig sauers, even the cheaper SP2022. I've owned 4 (226/239/229R/SP2022); Again, ive never owned a CZ but have shot a few. I trust sig pistols with my life...Either way, im Sure you'll be happy..at the end of the day you'll be best off with whatever feels better and is more comfortable to you. Go to the range/shop and lay each one side by side and compare..after doing that the choice should be obvious to you

Outonthegrind
07-04-2012, 9:47 PM
There are many models in a CZ 75B and in a Sig P226. If I get to choose any models from these two platforms, I would pick the P226 5X Competition.


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I hear ya..The X5 is also double the price of a standard 226; but hey, if you got the coin, by all means...its a real nice piece

tbc
07-04-2012, 9:52 PM
I hear ya..The X5 is also double the price of a standard 226; but hey, if you got the coin, by all means...its a real nice piece

Haha. I can only dream of it. But if comparing a standard CZ 75B (not SP-01) and a standard P226, I still pick the P226.


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ap3572001
07-04-2012, 10:07 PM
I can think of only one pistol that is even more feed reliable than P226. Beretta 92 series. I still think that for pure fun at the range one of the deluxe CZ's are the best pistols in 9mm. ( other than X-5)

daybreak
07-05-2012, 2:57 AM
Sigs have more ergonomic controls and better triggers.


I had quite the opposite experience. I think sigs are extremely un ergonomic and the control placement is very awkward. I've also never liked the triggers.

CZs have excellent ergos and controls placement. I can easily actuate all the controls without changing my grip, unlike with the 226.

I've said it a few times, but I have no idea why anyone would choose a 226 over a CZ 75b after shooting both.

jeffrice6
07-05-2012, 3:10 AM
Pinto VS. Camaro..... Have owned both, still have the Sigs

bsg
07-05-2012, 4:15 PM
i have no history with the CZ, so can't say i've done the Pepsi Challenge between the two. i can say that the w german P226 has impressed me immensely over many years, and i'll always have one (or more) in my collection.

Euphoria526
07-05-2012, 4:52 PM
I love my CZ's to death, sig's are nice too, I just like the CZ's better.
@oldnoob: any interest in letting your non used 75b free or a trade? Please pm me!!

miggyv
07-05-2012, 5:15 PM
I know the poll is for a 75B, but I voted for CZ based off of my SP-01. My buddy has a P226 & even he acknowledges my SP-01 is an awesome piece (he still won't admit he likes it better). The Sig is a great weapon, but cannot compare to my SP-01. I installed the competition hammer & lightened up the springs so my sp-01 is not stock, but even with those upgrades its still costs less than a stock P226.

dem0critus
07-05-2012, 5:28 PM
Voted for the sauer. I won't lie tho, I'm a sig fan. I've shot a 75b, which I also liked a lot, but CZs just aren't really my bag.

TripleThreat
07-05-2012, 6:24 PM
On average P226 will be more feed reliable with duty style JHP ammunition. Lighter. Out if the box I will trust P226 more than any CZ. Again, I ONLY talking about carry guns. As I said before. An all steel CZ with adjustable sights is a better range gun.

My Sig P220 would dry up and lock up if not shot a lot, with that I didn't trust it so I went with a more reliable Glock to carry. IMO the CZ's are less likely to have feed issues than Sigs. But then again, that's just my experience.

Kazaam
07-06-2012, 8:12 PM
Thanks for all the replies everyone! Definitely extremely helpful. Question to the people who talk about weight...everyone always says the P226 is lighter, but if I compare the stainless CZ 75B to the P226 Elite, the CZ 75B is lighter. If i compare it to the regular P226, the CZ is only an ounce or so heavier. Is there something I'm missing here?

Paperchasin
07-06-2012, 8:28 PM
Thanks for all the replies everyone! Definitely extremely helpful. Question to the people who talk about weight...everyone always says the P226 is lighter, but if I compare the stainless CZ 75B to the P226 Elite, the CZ 75B is lighter. If i compare it to the regular P226, the CZ is only an ounce or so heavier. Is there something I'm missing here?

It depends on which Elite model you are comparing. A Stainless Elite Sig has a stainless slide & frame, whereas your standard Sig uses a Stainless slide with aluminum frame. I am not sure about the other Elite models tho. Plus, all of the Elite models have beavertails, which adds a tiny bit more weight than your standard Sig with no beavertail.

.40Cal
07-06-2012, 9:12 PM
I went through same debate 6-7 months ago....

I loved the feel/grip of CZ. However, I wanted a decocker model. Finally, I got the Sig...there's no doubt it's one of the best. Shoots like a laser...

91 whiskey 209
07-06-2012, 9:27 PM
I own the 226 in 9mm, my dad owns a cz-75b in .40 cal. They are both great. You won't be dissapointed with either pistol. I like the trigger and ergonomics of the sig better than the cz's. I like the grip/balance and sights of the cz more than the sigs. Be aware that the slide on the cz is very short. I am very happy with my choice. I will eventually add a cz to my little family. Hope I helped a little.

SIGSHOOTR
07-06-2012, 9:47 PM
SIG P226 all the way.

JNunez23
07-06-2012, 10:17 PM
I have a CZ, so I'll just go again and vote for that! ;)

Euphoria526
07-08-2012, 9:07 AM
The question at this point should be how many own either one?
I own CZ's obviously haha

TripleThreat
07-08-2012, 9:42 AM
The nice thing is many own both which helps with the non-basis prospective.

Outonthegrind
07-08-2012, 11:03 AM
My Sig P220 would dry up and lock up if not shot a lot, with that I didn't trust it so I went with a more reliable Glock to carry. IMO the CZ's are less likely to have feed issues than Sigs. But then again, that's just my experience.

A little oil on the slide would go a long way sounds like;

Hammertime
07-08-2012, 3:31 PM
What a cool thread! I've had a CZ75B in .40 for almost half a year now and couldn't be happier. I am NOT a good shot with pistols whatsoever, but I am able to put holes in paper pretty well up to 15 yards now.

My roommate got a 226 about a month ago, and it is NOT shooting consistently. I don't know if that is a one-off issue, but I have had zero problems with my CZ (it has CZcustomshop work done on it too, so that is a bit of cheating :D), and would put my LIFE in the hands of that 75b.

I'm not knocking Sig at all, but in a comparison thread, you gotta point out reliability issues from manufacturer to manufacturer. His was brand new (ok, maybe 50 rounds through it, bought off of a CalGunner...), and mine had over 500 through it.

Plus, CZ's are just TOO damn sexy.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y198/thorthemighty/_MG_0829.jpg

jdogg2000
07-08-2012, 4:02 PM
Nice CZs! My P226 has been flawless so far, and I find that Sigs can be sexy too :D

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-31BP1YwMU8I/T_dW90DnXNI/AAAAAAAAA24/VN8111x1IeY/s800/DSC00030.JPG

gunafficionado
07-08-2012, 4:18 PM
My vote goes to the P226 ( I own 2!! ) but barely. The CZ is a sweet gun in it's own right.

smittty
07-08-2012, 7:04 PM
I own both but my sig is the older w german model and my favorite cz is the Phantom but I also have several other cz75's.

I'm not voting one over the other as both are equal. Anyone who says one is "way" better is fos. Both are excellent.

The newer 226 doesn't feel as nice in my hand and its heavier so I don't like them as much. I would choose a cz75 over the currently made 226 unless its a folded slide version that is available once in a while.

There are very few "good" holster options for the cz. There are lots for the 226. I shoot tactical competition (informal) with my friends and I prefer my 226 for this because I really like the level 2 serpa thigh holster. There are no equal holsters for any cz75. I have itac holsters, custom made blade-tech level 2 holsters and frankly they all suck compared the the serpa. If you want to play tactical style shooting games that require military type gear/equip then I would recommend the 226.

The phantom model is much lighter than the 226. Therefore its much nicer to carry. If I'm going to carry a full size gun it's going to be the phantom. If it needs to be a roster gun i recommend the cz75 PCR. Bit smaller but light weight and a great gun.

My suggestion is to keep eye out for a west german 226, SP01 in any configuration including the phantom and the PCR. Buy the first one that comes along for a fair price.

zfields
07-08-2012, 7:28 PM
I went through same debate 6-7 months ago....

I loved the feel/grip of CZ. However, I wanted a decocker model. Finally, I got the Sig...there's no doubt it's one of the best. Shoots like a laser...

There are plenty of decocker models of CZ's....

TripleThreat
07-08-2012, 8:49 PM
There are plenty of decocker models of CZ's....

That's what I was thinking too.

Kappy
07-08-2012, 10:37 PM
That's what I was thinking too.
Thirded.

I find that the Sig just feels... bulkier in my hand. The CZ feels like someone shaking your hand... plus, when I'm doing my job, I can get some pretty damned small groups at 12 yards.

In addition, when I run store-bought ammo, it functions flawlessly, throwing cases a good 6-8 yards away fairly often. With my lead reloads (when I make them right!) I get similar functionality. Alternatively, I see a fair number of people at my range complaining about their sigs. Not a HUGE number... but enough of them. Never heard a CZ complaint (although I'm sure they're out there).

glockwise2000
07-08-2012, 10:44 PM
I just love them equally but in the end I would chose, without a doubt, CZ75B.

Beaker650
07-08-2012, 10:49 PM
For my first handgun I had trouble deciding between a CZ 75B and a Sig P226. Rifle Gear had a good price and I decided to go with the Sig. I finally got to the range with the 226 and my friend let me shoot his CZ for comparison. I definitely made the right decision for myself getting the P226. The CZ has more of a snap for me. My personal P226 feels better in my hands than the Blackwater P226 my original decision was based on. I suggest you shoot both if you can.

.40Cal
07-17-2012, 12:32 PM
There are plenty of decocker models of CZ's....

Like the SP01 Tactical (decocker), Not CA approved! The PCR is kinda smaller than a full size, it's more like the Glock 19. The 75B decocker (police) is hard to find, and has no light rails..... Considering all the fetures, I get them all in the 226. Besides, I never knew I could shoot a pistol at 20 yards or so with over lapping holes. It's like a precision handgun. (and I'm not even a good shooter yet).

That's why someone said for the range the CZ is a better choice, and I agree. You can play with the manual safety, and get a single action, etc... But I wanted something that I can carry (when needed), or in a SHTF situation, with having one in chamber (loaded all the time), without having to train yourself to play with the safety switches/controls. Just pull and...bang! So, in the carry or combat situations, 226 wins (IMO, and like the guy above said).

USAbodypilot
07-17-2012, 1:12 PM
I guess so much of this debate is down to personal preference. Having owned and shot both though I can't get it into my head how anyone could prefer the CZ. For the sake of disclosure I do have a deep appreciation of Sig stuff in general but also like the best of the best from other shops as well.

In this case I feel that once you get the two in your paws and shoot the refined feel of the sig will win you over. It is just a better made and better shooting tool, especially the stainless sigs.

Each to their own but I *really* suggest you go to your LGS or even better the range and try them out.

jpm804
07-17-2012, 1:44 PM
There are plenty of decocker models of CZ's....

While the CZ75 SP01 Tactical is not on the roster it is not impossible to get in cali and the P01 is a fine decoker model also ( I wouldnt compare it to a G19 since the grip length is smaller but more akin to a P229).

Havent had enough range time with my CZ's to adequately compare them to my P226 or P229, but they are no slouches when it comes to performance. I am just glad I can own both brands and will defintely keep both and not just decide between one or the other...

I say if you can try both out, see which one is best for you.

http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc467/jpm804/Pistols%20and%20Rifles/DPP_0420.jpg

Kazaam
07-17-2012, 1:59 PM
This is just for my first pistol. Eventually, I WILL own both! Though the p226 is seeming more and more unlikely. Its just really expensive, and if I want a stainless model, even more expensive.

jpm804
07-17-2012, 2:03 PM
This is just for my first pistol. Eventually, I WILL own both! Though the p226 is seeming more and more unlikely. Its just really expensive, and if I want a stainless model, even more expensive.

Keep an eye out in the classifieds here on Calguns for a P226 if you want that.. I got a good deal on a German Frame P226 for $600 and got my Sp01 tactical used also for a fair price. If your patient some decent deals do come up.

gregshin
07-17-2012, 9:54 PM
I've own several CZ SP-01, P01, and a 75SA and finally Sig P226 Combat.

I was pretty stoked to own the 226 combat but came out really dissapointed on how it shot. It even had the SRT trigger installed and my CZ compact that was stock was able to do tighter groups. Also noticed that when i ran double taps and failure drills that there was noticeable muzzle rise.

I was thinking maybe i got a bad barrel so i tried other P226's as well. Same result...i was trying to think why can't i shoot Sigs since my glocks, 1911, cz's, and M&P group tighter. I finally realized it was the really high bore axis on the Sigs.

Functionally the controls are good and the P226 was reliable like a swiss time piece. However the platform just wasn't for me. It's just preference for me to not like the P series platform.

Any of you CZ haters wanna try my guns? PM if you do.

ElvenSoul
07-17-2012, 11:52 PM
The 75 Phantom Ends this contest! Poor Sig has nothing that even competes with it.

zfields
07-18-2012, 12:24 AM
The 75 Phantom Ends this contest! Poor Sig has nothing that even competes with it.

Uh. The 2000 series is sorta sigs version. Every phantom I have tried out has the same heavy pull and camming hammer as other 75s, made even worse by the extra decocker spring.

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billt
07-18-2012, 6:18 AM
I have both, but voted for the CZ because I like all steel weapons. My Sig Stainless Elite is all steel, but it's price is over double what the CZ-75B runs. Even the Aluminum framed Sig's are substantially more.

gibt
07-18-2012, 6:39 AM
I like both but own CZs.

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n270/gibpatrice/cz1_1pb.jpg

compulsivegunbuyer
07-18-2012, 10:13 AM
Shoot both, and buy what you shoot best, but good luck even finding a CZ these days. I want an SP-01, but can not find one, and am not willing to trek all over hell and back hoping to pick one up. If they become more available, I will buy one. If I have to run all over hell and back hoping to find one for $100 over MSRP, I don't care how good it is, I'm not interested. I was able to go to my local gun shop, buy a Sig, then pick up said Sig 10 minutes away from my house 10 days later, so Sig it is.

lordres
07-18-2012, 12:15 PM
I just picked up a CZ 75 SP01, still in jail. My girlfriend wants to shoot 9 but my 226 grips are too big for her small hands. I can already say, the CZ trigger is pretty bad out of the box. Not sure how much gun smithing is going to end up costing.

zfields
07-18-2012, 12:20 PM
I just picked up a CZ 75 SP01, still in jail. My girlfriend wants to shoot 9 but my 226 grips are too big for her small hands. I can already say, the CZ trigger is pretty bad out of the box. Not sure how much gun smithing is going to end up costing.

Its very easy to do yourself. Even a simple spring change makes a huge difference.

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TripleThreat
07-18-2012, 12:29 PM
I must of gotten lucky, happen to find CZ's that I wanted, both in stock at the time I was looking. Got a great price on them both as well.

lordres
07-18-2012, 12:36 PM
Its very easy to do yourself. Even a simple spring change makes a huge difference.

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I'm not sure a spring change will take that grittiness out of the trigger... We'll see though! Picking it up next Tuesday. Maybe a few boxes of ammo will shake out all that sand.

zfields
07-18-2012, 12:37 PM
I'm not sure a spring change will take that grittiness out of the trigger... We'll see though! Picking it up next Tuesday. Maybe a few boxes of ammo will shake out all that sand.

You can Polish out the grit, or it will come out in time.

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JeremyS
07-18-2012, 3:44 PM
I'm not sure a spring change will take that grittiness out of the trigger... A few hundred trigger pulls will, whether you're shooting ammo or just dry firing. They really smooth out by 1,000 rounds. OR, like zfields said, you can just polish the appropriate parts yourself and get to perfectly smooth right away. A lighter mainspring makes your DA trigger pull lighter. Doesn't really change SA. Sear/hammer kits from Cajun Gun Works (http://www.cajungunworks.com/) make it as good as any DA/SA trigger could ever be.

zombiescanlearn
07-18-2012, 3:49 PM
I have both. CZ SP-01 and Sig P226. I shoot more with the Sig, but I love them both. Deadly accurate and that's with me shooting. So, it has to be the guns.

SacTown
07-18-2012, 4:12 PM
My P226 in 9mm was my very first handgun. 4,000 plus rounds later w/ out any failures at all. It's easily my most reliable firearm that I own. My brother's CZ 75-SP01 has roughly 8,000 plus rounds through it, but I have seen personally about 5-6 failures to eject/chamber. Still not bad by any means with that round count. Just a personal observation. I'd still trust my life to both, though. As far as which one is better? That is completely based on user opinion. I prefer the ergos of my P226 but both are tack drivers and high quality SA/DA duty weapons.

Sackman1886
07-18-2012, 4:46 PM
Dude, that's one where you have to just go shoot both and see which you like. I PERSONALLY would pick the cz (first) because it has the much lower bore axis, and I just think they are awesome guns. I would THEN wait 30 days and go buy the Sig... probably the best solution!!! :) Glad I could help!

RudyCakes
07-18-2012, 5:59 PM
The CalGuns Sig fans convinced me to go with the P226 and I regret doing so. It costs twice as much as my CZ and does exactly the same thing. Now the only way to get rid of this Sig is to sell it at a huge loss.
Don't get me wrong, the Sig runs like a top. The problem is: so does my Glock, CZ, and M&P. I just don't feel that it justifies it's expense in todays market of wonder-pistols. Also finding correct fitting aftermarket grips can be a challenge.

zfields
07-18-2012, 10:05 PM
Like the SP01 Tactical (decocker), Not CA approved! The PCR is kinda smaller than a full size, it's more like the Glock 19. The 75B decocker (police) is hard to find, and has no light rails..... Considering all the fetures, I get them all in the 226. Besides, I never knew I could shoot a pistol at 20 yards or so with over lapping holes. It's like a precision handgun. (and I'm not even a good shooter yet).

That's why someone said for the range the CZ is a better choice, and I agree. You can play with the manual safety, and get a single action, etc... But I wanted something that I can carry (when needed), or in a SHTF situation, with having one in chamber (loaded all the time), without having to train yourself to play with the safety switches/controls. Just pull and...bang! So, in the carry or combat situations, 226 wins (IMO, and like the guy above said).

SP01, P01, 75BD, p07, 75 Omega, etc etc. There is more then you would think. And SSE is so common these days, no reason not to go that route.

As far as a safety equipped gun not being adequate for SHTF, our military seems to do just fine with the M9, not to mention all the police depts that use the 92fs or other safety equipped guns. Just a matter of training with it.

dawn777
07-19-2012, 7:20 AM
i do not understand why SIGs are designed so FAT, ridiculous FAT. is that necessary?

why CZ can be designed so slender? why SIG not? any thinkings?

lordres
07-19-2012, 11:32 AM
i do not understand why SIGs are designed so FAT, ridiculous FAT. is that necessary?

why CZ can be designed so slender? why SIG not? any thinkings?

Well, it's like I said. My girlfriend wanted the CZ because it fit her petite little hands. ;)

GuillermoAntonio
07-19-2012, 12:02 PM
Well, it's like I said. My girlfriend wanted the CZ because it fit her petite little hands. ;)

I own both, look at my Signature pic.

CZ 75 Sp01 >Sig Sauer p226

If you think otherwise go ahead and buy my Sig. It needs an owner that can believe in her.

prushman
07-21-2012, 1:06 PM
I have had my CZ 75bd for about 9 months. I have fired 3000+ rounds without 1 failure of any kind. It fits my large hands well. It initially shot 4" left at 10 yards, but I drifted the sight and now it is very good. I have fired the Sig, also a fine 9mm, but for $200 less no doubts CZ! I bought from CZ USA for $462, plus dros tax etc.

Kazaam
08-30-2012, 4:35 PM
Gonna make a decision within the next week! Still between these two. :eek:

CZ 75B stainless or P226 Elite Stainless

billt
08-30-2012, 5:03 PM
You simply can't go wrong with either.

http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz50/billt460/CZ75B004.jpg

http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz50/billt460/SigSauerP-2269MMStainlessElite2.jpg

Euphoria526
08-30-2012, 5:22 PM
Ugh I want a stainless 75b in 40

TripleThreat
08-30-2012, 6:03 PM
You simply can't go wrong with either....

Going with the CZ will put about $300 dollars in your pocket. That's a lot of ammo and range time.

Just sayin'

Euphoria526
08-30-2012, 6:06 PM
Going with the CZ will put about $300 dollars in your pocket. That's a lot of ammo and range time.

Just sayin'

And that's the troof. 'nuff said

pc_load_letter
08-30-2012, 7:19 PM
I sold my first SP-01 last year to get a Sig. Just sold the Sig to go back to the SP-01.

Kazaam
09-17-2012, 9:34 PM
STILL havent decided...

gorenut
09-17-2012, 10:02 PM
I've owned both and I think quality-wise.. Sig feels much better. Not to say the CZ isn't a quality gun.. but something about the Sig makes it feel like the highest quality semi outside of custom 1911s I've handled. That said.. I find Sig's controls to be obtrusive.. but in a way, same with CZ for me. I think if they just made a SAO Sig that wasn't a custom one, just a standard.. it'd be a great step in the right direction compared to the alternative bling garbage they've been pumping out lately.

All that said.. I shoot CZs better.. I just wish there was slightly more room on the frame. I have large palms and the shape/contours of the gun doesn't fit me all that well. Then again.. I'm weird.. Glocks fit my hand perfectly.

Shapes And Colors
09-17-2012, 10:09 PM
Shoot them both and decide, end of story. If you simply cannot discern which one you like better, buy both. Otherwise, you just get page after page of "but I like this one better!"

The Mad Mule
09-17-2012, 10:49 PM
Honestly, owning both the 75 B and P226, I say get both and know that you're owning arguably the finest 9mm pistols today. The ergonomics, the build quality, they've got it all.

Kazaam
09-18-2012, 6:18 AM
Thanks for the info guys. I wonder if this would be different if i said price is not a factor.

billt
09-18-2012, 7:03 AM
Thanks for the info guys. I wonder if this would be different if i said price is not a factor.

Only in the fact that the advice to buy both would be more credible.

pc_load_letter
09-18-2012, 7:03 AM
Thanks for the info guys. I wonder if this would be different if i said price is not a factor.

Then get both

Kazaam
09-18-2012, 7:21 AM
Price is not a factor but I can only choose one. :D

Euphoria526
09-18-2012, 7:34 AM
Go and find yourself a cz75b in single action only. Holy crap that guns more accurate than anything I've seen or shot.

bombadillo
09-18-2012, 7:43 AM
For the feel alone, I would go with the CZ. EVERY CZ that I've fired has been nothing but flawless which I can't say about Sig. I also like the big brother the CZ97

DRAB_81
09-18-2012, 8:35 AM
The deciding factor for me, would be LE use. I have never seen a CZ in a Cop's duty rig, but I've seen plenty of Sig's. Three major LE agencies that I can think of trust their lives to Sig's: Stockton PD, Sac PD & Sac County S.O.

I'm not saying that CZ's aren't good guns, they obviously have a very loyal following here. Just food for thought.

Euphoria526
09-18-2012, 8:40 AM
And used internationally and brought here, made by people too proud to buy other weapons. Just saying.
I know that the Glendale pd has a choice between sigs and glocks for there side arm. Same with LAPD. Mostly glocks and sigs, but I've also seen a lot of baretta's on motorcycle cops as well.

whipkiller
09-18-2012, 8:56 AM
I own a Sig and a CZ. It's kinda' Apples to Oranges, as my Sig is a compact (239) and my CZ is the almighty SP-01 :Cue Chorus of Angels: and I'd trust my life to either. (The Sig used to live in the nightstand 'til I got the CZ)

I would say yours is a quality problem to have as you really can't go wrong with either.

That being said, I find the SP-01 ergo's to be the most intuative and naturally pointable I've ever felt, and it is the easiest handgun to shoot well that I've ever experienced.

There's a reason they're so hard to find in stock right now.:rolleyes:

BHPFan
09-18-2012, 9:18 AM
10 years ago, I'd voted for SIG. Since then, I feel like they've messed up their P series line (adding rails to their frames plus a lot of QC stories).

Now, I vote for CZ:
- Just as reliable if not more.
- Better ergos.
- Still less expensive than SIG though CZ75 pistols were even better buys 10 years ago.

The one advantage that SIG has over CZ IMHO is better trigger out of the box brand new.

willerfortheworld
09-18-2012, 10:20 AM
A lot more companies try to copy the Cz over the Sig.

The cz 75 is like the European 1911.

Its the best combat pistol in my opinion. They are tough, accurate and proven.

My Cz has a NATO stock number on it "p01" NATO approves it.

Sigs are pretty looking tho, and are seals seem to like them. The cz feels like a dream in the hand, where I can squeez the grips and still get great circulation....pure Zen.

If I want to impress my friends with a flashy pistol a cig.

If I want something to protect me and my family without worrying about ftf, fte, dirty gun, crap ammo,etc. A Cz 75.

I feel like more of a fanboi with every post, that's bad:D

Zartan
09-18-2012, 10:25 AM
I looked at both at went for a cz

Same here, love my CZ, but wouldn't rule out a P226 Navy or EE

Kazaam
09-18-2012, 11:00 AM
If only i could get a chance to see and hold both in real life this decision would be *much* easier.

whipkiller
09-18-2012, 11:13 AM
If only i could get a chance to see and hold both in real life this decision would be *much* easier.

Where do you live? Could be somebody near you has one or both and might meet you for a range day.

TripleThreat
09-18-2012, 11:17 AM
The deciding factor for me, would be LE use. I have never seen a CZ in a Cop's duty rig, but I've seen plenty of Sig's. Three major LE agencies that I can think of trust their lives to Sig's: Stockton PD, Sac PD & Sac County S.O.

That's because of tariffs more than anything else.

10 years from now that may turn around. CZ's are are used by more LE and Military's than any other gun in the World. They also are the winningest IPSC handgun in the World.

Triple

CAGLS
09-18-2012, 11:49 AM
I own a CZ P-01 and recently a Sig P220 Combat. Initially the CZ consistantly had failure to feed issues only with Reminton UMC ammo, sent it to CZ. They polished the feed ramp, rounded out the barrel entrance and adjusted the ejector. Since then it runs like a top. The CZ is a tack driver. The sig I'm getting better at shooting 45 acp. I do have to shift my grip a little for the decocker where as the CZ I don't. Now I'm in the market for a 40. I want the CZ P-06, which is off roster and have to do a SSE. I'm also looking at the Sig P229 Enhanced Elite. The CZ's have the low bore axis and tight slide to frame tolerance plus the CZ P-06 is $550 but add $100 for SSE. The Sig EE is $1028 but is on roster and more available.

DRAB_81
09-18-2012, 12:02 PM
That's because of tariffs more than anything else.

10 years from now that may turn around. CZ's are are used by more LE and Military's than any other gun in the World. They also are the winningest IPSC handgun in the World.

Triple

Care to provide legitimate sources for those facts?

Also, call me ignorant/arrogant, but I'm not concerned with what theyre doing in Europe. I believe the US to have both superior Military & LE Agencies. There are tons of things that the US does differently than the rest of the world, does that make us wrong too? Also, STI/SVI 2011 pistols are the winningest pistols in USPSA, but you don't see very many people packing 2011's for Duty, Carry or HD.

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Patermagnus
09-18-2012, 1:14 PM
I've owned both, and both have a lot to offer. The 226 has a better trigger out of the box, but the CZ smooths out nicely after 300-500 rounds. I've always preferred the feel of the CZ to that of the Sig, and the P-01 and the SP-01 have made ergonomic changes that, in my opinion, now blow away any competition.

A few people have mentioned the "heavier" weight of the 226, but the SP-01 (41 oz unloaded) is a fair bit heavier than the 226 (34 oz), and I definitely prefer the stability I get from the extra weight. That said, both the 75B and the 226 weigh in at 34 oz, so perhaps it's a matter of perceived weight?

Either way, they're both great guns. I was a Sig/H&K snob until a friend turned me on to CZ, which turned out to be a better platform for me. In that end, that's what's most important.

willerfortheworld
09-18-2012, 1:30 PM
I'm not going to make any fans by saying this but the CZ 75 feels even better then the1911s 45* frame.

I can use the sights quicker too because of how natural it points.

I think the modern 75s all-around design is very impressive. You can tell its a military handgun.

Its hard for me to believe that another handgun could feel better in the hand then CZs 75 lineup.

₩FT₩

TripleThreat
09-18-2012, 1:34 PM
Care to provide legitimate sources for those facts?

Also, call me ignorant/arrogant, but I'm not concerned with what theyre doing in Europe. I believe the US to have both superior Military & LE Agencies. There are tons of things that the US does differently than the rest of the world, does that make us wrong too? Also, STI/SVI 2011 pistols are the winningest pistols in USPSA, but you don't see very many people packing 2011's for Duty, Carry or HD.

What I've stated is common knowledge. You went from prove it to you don't care, which puts you in the can't be satisfied category.

I have 100% peace with that. If you don't care what's happening in the rest of the World. I have 100% peace with that too. I was merely trying to share what the rest of the Worlds already knows.

Triple

Shapes And Colors
09-18-2012, 1:43 PM
What I've stated is common knowledge. You went from prove it to you don't care, which puts you in the can't be satisfied category.

I have 100% peace with that. If you don't care what's happening in the rest of the World. I have 100% peace with that too. I was merely trying to share what the rest of the Worlds already knows.

Triple

Not exactly common knowledge. You made the claim, back it up.

I see 9 countries/agencies listed for the CZ, and 33 for the Beretta 92.
What am I missing?

TripleThreat
09-18-2012, 3:16 PM
Not exactly common knowledge. You made the claim, back it up.

I see 9 countries/agencies listed for the CZ, and 33 for the Beretta 92.
What am I missing?

It is for a well rounded gun enthusiast. But you act or seem like you already know everything. Just buy a Sig or Berretta and be happy.

BTW, I picked up a 92A1 last week, what an incredible weapon. I can't prove how awesome it is, but it makes me smile.

Triple

Shapes And Colors
09-18-2012, 3:22 PM
You already know everything. Just buy a Sig or Berretta and be happy.

BTW, I picked up a 92A1 last week, what an incredible weapon. I can't prove how awesome it is, but it makes me smile.

Triple

I asked a simple question because I didn't know the answer. My apologies. I'll give you a list of places you can send your attitude if you'd like.

Shapes And Colors
09-18-2012, 3:26 PM
Nice edit too. Not sure how asking someone to show a source about a claim they're making as fact is "acting like they know everything". I looked it up, gave you the results I found, and asked what I was missing.

DRAB_81
09-18-2012, 3:57 PM
The deciding factor for me, would be LE use. I have never seen a CZ in a Cop's duty rig, but I've seen plenty of Sig's. Three major LE agencies that I can think of trust their lives to Sig's: Stockton PD, Sac PD & Sac County S.O.

I'm not saying that CZ's aren't good guns, they obviously have a very loyal following here. Just food for thought.

That's because of tariffs more than anything else.

10 years from now that may turn around. CZ's are are used by more LE and Military's than any other gun in the World. They also are the winningest IPSC handgun in the World.

Triple

Care to provide legitimate sources for those facts?

Also, call me ignorant/arrogant, but I'm not concerned with what theyre doing in Europe. I believe the US to have both superior Military & LE Agencies. There are tons of things that the US does differently than the rest of the world, does that make us wrong too? Also, STI/SVI 2011 pistols are the winningest pistols in USPSA, but you don't see very many people packing 2011's for Duty, Carry or HD.

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What I've stated is common knowledge. You went from prove it to you don't care, which puts you in the can't be satisfied category.

I have 100% peace with that. If you don't care what's happening in the rest of the World. I have 100% peace with that too. I was merely trying to share what the rest of the Worlds already knows.

Triple

I guess if you can't answer my question, I will. Here's what Glocks website says:

Designed for professionals, the GLOCK 17, in 9x19, is the most widely used law enforcement pistol worldwide. Because of its unsurpassed reliability, above-average magazine capacity of 17 rounds in the standard magazine, and its low weight, it is trusted by law enforcement officers around the globe. With our revolutionary "Safe Action" trigger system, the G17 is safe, easy, and quick-just what you need in high-pressure situations.

http://us.glock.com/products/model/g17

I'm satisfied now. What were you saying about dessert?

Euphoria526
09-18-2012, 4:43 PM
If you go to any manufacturers website they'll all say theRe the best with good credentials to boot and law enforcement testimonials as well or secret black ops stuff.
Your point isn't there you glokkie (Trekkie for glock fanboys)

zfields
09-18-2012, 4:49 PM
I guess if you can't answer my question, I will. Here's what Glocks website says:

Designed for professionals, the GLOCK 17, in 9x19, is the most widely used law enforcement pistol worldwide. Because of its unsurpassed reliability, above-average magazine capacity of 17 rounds in the standard magazine, and its low weight, it is trusted by law enforcement officers around the globe. With our revolutionary "Safe Action" trigger system, the G17 is safe, easy, and quick-just what you need in high-pressure situations.

http://us.glock.com/products/model/g17

I'm satisfied now. What were you saying about dessert?

Doesnt surprise me. I'm curious if historically CZ was used by more. Technology moves on, and steel, hammer fired guns just aren't the rage anymore, and CZ's poly lineup isnt impressive at all.

IIRC CZ's have been used by the running 2 year IPSC production champ.

SDRider858
09-18-2012, 4:50 PM
I guess if you can't answer my question, I will. Here's what Glocks website says:

Designed for professionals, the GLOCK 17, in 9x19, is the most widely used law enforcement pistol worldwide. Because of its unsurpassed reliability, above-average magazine capacity of 17 rounds in the standard magazine, and its low weight, it is trusted by law enforcement officers around the globe. With our revolutionary "Safe Action" trigger system, the G17 is safe, easy, and quick-just what you need in high-pressure situations.

http://us.glock.com/products/model/g17

I'm satisfied now. What were you saying about dessert?

Id like to see an independant study on this as opposed to a manufacture's website...hell look at what CZ's website says

"CZ 75 B is used by more governments, militaries, police and security agencies than any other pistol in the world."

Kazaam
09-18-2012, 5:11 PM
None of this is helping me :P

Shapes And Colors
09-18-2012, 5:14 PM
If you go to any manufacturers website they'll all say theRe the best with good credentials to boot and law enforcement testimonials as well or secret black ops stuff.
Your point isn't there you glokkie (Trekkie for glock fanboys)

The fact that they all say that IS the point.

And just for the record, just because someone mentions Glock doesn't make them a fanboy. I am a bit sad though, I can't "kkie" CZ. Now I have to come up with my own CZ fanboy name.

Shapes And Colors
09-18-2012, 5:19 PM
None of this is helping me :P

Renting and shooting them to figure out what you like better, however, will. :p

Euphoria526
09-18-2012, 5:23 PM
The fact that they all say that IS the point.

And just for the record, just because someone mentions Glock doesn't make them a fanboy. I am a bit sad though, I can't "kkie" CZ. Now I have to come up with my own CZ fanboy name.
Hahaa good luck 'ekkie'-ing the cz.
I'm not a fanboy. I just like metal guns and cz's happen to fit me perfectly with an epic natural aim point or me. Do I need to remind the people who try to remind me that it's always personal preference.

Shapes And Colors
09-18-2012, 5:27 PM
I'm not a fanboy. I just like metal guns. I'm looking/thinking of a baretta 96 brigadier.

I think I've seen probably 6 posts/threads from you where you haven't incessantly praised or suggested CZ's. Do I need to start quoting them? :D

Regarding your edit, of course it's personal preference. I just can't miss an opportunity to poke some fun about fanboy stuff.

Euphoria526
09-18-2012, 5:40 PM
I think I've seen probably 6 posts/threads from you where you haven't incessantly praised or suggested CZ's. Do I need to start quoting them? :D

Regarding your edit, of course it's personal preference. I just can't miss an opportunity to poke some fun about fanboy stuff.

I completely agree %100. That's why I bother to say something. I'm glad someone on here finally realizes that I'm joking about all this stuff. People
Get too serious and sometimes funny how upset people get.
:D

Kazaam
09-18-2012, 5:41 PM
Renting and shooting them to figure out what you like better, however, will. :p

:o

Im actually not from cali, but from a state thats awesome for gun rights, but i live in the one flippin area where there are no ranges or anywhere to rent guns. Theres no way i could rent a p226 or cz 75 from the two places that are semi near me because they dont have them, and i couldnt really handle them either. I have to wait until the gun show to just hold them, but thats in late october right before the election and i think prices will be high. :(

Euphoria526
09-18-2012, 5:42 PM
:o

Im actually not from cali, but from a state thats awesome for gun rights, but i live in the one flippin area where there are no ranges or anywhere to rent guns. Theres no way i could rent a p226 or cz 75 from the two places that are semi near me because they dont have them, and i couldnt really handle them either. I have to wait until the gun show to just hold them, but thats in late october right before the election and i think prices will be high. :(



Hell. Just go to cz customs and order a cz 75b SA. You won't regret it at all. Ever

Shapes And Colors
09-18-2012, 5:43 PM
:o

Im actually not from cali, but from a state thats awesome for gun rights, but i live in the one flippin area where there are no ranges or anywhere to rent guns. Theres no way i could rent a p226 or cz 75 from the two places that are semi near me because they dont have them, and i couldnt really handle them either. I have to wait until the gun show to just hold them, but thats in late october right before the election and i think prices will be high. :(

That's probably very true. I've got the solution for you. Buy both, get similar looking grips for them, hide one at all times. "Of course this is the same gun, it looks the same as it did last time you saw it". :D

DRAB_81
09-18-2012, 5:55 PM
The deciding factor for me, would be LE use. I have never seen a CZ in a Cop's duty rig, but I've seen plenty of Sig's. Three major LE agencies that I can think of trust their lives to Sig's: Stockton PD, Sac PD & Sac County S.O.

I'm not saying that CZ's aren't good guns, they obviously have a very loyal following here. Just food for thought.

If you go to any manufacturers website they'll all say theRe the best with good credentials to boot and law enforcement testimonials as well or secret black ops stuff.
Your point isn't there you glokkie (Trekkie for glock fanboys)

^^^ You don't read so good do you? Here we are again. We've already established that I have shot way more rounds, through way more platforms than you have. We've already established that I went from 1911's to HK's to Glocks, and I've shot just about every brand of pistol out there. You say that a "Glockkie" is a guy that just says "Glocks are the best, most reliable pistols in the world, and everything else sucks" without any experience shooting anything else. It should be OBVIOUS to you through our bickering that I'm not "that guy". Yes I love Glocks, but I'm no fanboy. Read my post history.

Id like to see an independant study on this as opposed to a manufacture's website...hell look at what CZ's website says

"CZ 75 B is used by more governments, militaries, police and security agencies than any other pistol in the world."

That actually might be true once you throw in Governments, Militaries & Security Agencies on top of LE. The US Military only issues Beretta's, 1911's & Sig's as far as I know, so that plays a role in that broad spectrum of firearm use. I'd actually like to see that study as well.


I think I've seen probably 6 posts/threads from you where you haven't incessantly praised or suggested CZ's. Do I need to start quoting them? :D

Regarding your edit, of course it's personal preference. I just can't miss an opportunity to poke some fun about fanboy stuff.

How about Czechkkie? It even rhymes with Trekkie.

Shapes And Colors
09-18-2012, 6:00 PM
How about Czechkkie? It even rhymes with Trekkie.

Perfect. :D

Kazaam
09-18-2012, 6:35 PM
I would prefer an SA 75B, but want stainless. Since theres no stock stainless thats SA, guess it aint gonna happen. I WOULD buy the shadow, but its not stainless either.

freethemouse
09-18-2012, 9:12 PM
The fact that they all say that IS the point.

And just for the record, just because someone mentions Glock doesn't make them a fanboy. I am a bit sad though, I can't "kkie" CZ. Now I have to come up with my own CZ fanboy name.

How's this: CZealot.

zfields
09-18-2012, 9:14 PM
How's this: CZealot.

I'll wear that proudly, just out of spite of you bastards :43:

Shapes And Colors
09-18-2012, 9:52 PM
How's this: CZealot.

:rofl:

Another great contender.

whipkiller
09-19-2012, 7:19 AM
CZ - 138
Sig - 128

That kind of landslide voting should help you decide.:D

DRAB_81
09-19-2012, 8:31 AM
How's this: CZealot.

Perfect.

zfields = CZealot (not derogatory)
Euphoria526 = Czechkkie (fanboi)

Hey zfields, you need to have a little chat with Euphoria. He's giving you all you CZ guys a bad name.

Kazaam
09-19-2012, 10:31 AM
CZ - 138
Sig - 128

That kind of landslide voting should help you decide.:D

:D Sooo close. Wish the p226 elite stainless didnt look so flippin cool. Thats the real reason i want one!

tanglediver
10-04-2012, 9:33 PM
I've got zero constructive commentary to add. But I am stuck in the same internal debate.

I tried to lay hold of a German P6, but it did not make roster. Then I was about to walk in and buy an off the shelf 226, when I figured I'ld just have a look at other weapons. :cool:

Then I got bit by the Czech bug. :43:

I went looking for the 75B, but after finding everyone back-ordered, I settled on the closest model actually available, the 97B. Just placed on layaway, first gun (pending) purchase.

Grandpa's 22 revolver is a keepsake I will not part with, except to family, but it's time I got my own pistol. :)

Edit; without knowing your preference, that one you simply prefer, is the only choice.

CAGLS
10-04-2012, 10:24 PM
My first firearm was the CZ P-01 back in February. First range session got some failure to feeds with Remington UMC. It liked and ate Federal fine but consistently ftf with Remington UMC from the mega pack so I sent it in to CZ USA. They said they adjusted the extractor and polished the feed ramp. After that it ate everything fine. The CZ is a tack driver. The CZ has the lowest bore axis of any pistol I've seen plus the slide to frame fit is tight most likely because of the inverted rails which is probably why it is so accurate. It was a bummer it had ftf out of the box and had to send it in for a long 4 week wait from CZ USA, but it is my most accurate pistol.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/caliSTi/Firearms/824c0704.jpg

My P220 combat is my first Sig. Point of impact for me hits a little low. I've always used the combat sight picture where the front sight dot covers the target. I have been practicing at the range shooting at 7 yrds decocking every time to DA. I've gotten better with it, groups are tighter but poi is consistently 1-2 inches low. Possibly the higher bore axis?

Now I'm getting a P229 Enhanced Elite in 40SW and an EFK Firedragon barrel in 357sig.
I also put a deposit on another CZ P-01 since there so hard to come by even though I'm still trying to find an SP-01. I still want to SSE a CZ P-06 and acquire a P226 Navy MK25.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/caliSTi/Firearms/2D2E28EB-3F8F-4473-B6CA-B1157D0157C3-92193-000004AE2A7D4959.jpg

Fishslayer
10-07-2012, 6:29 PM
How about Czechkkie? It even rhymes with Trekkie.

Glockies. Czeckies. I guess the 1911 boiz would be Brownies? Kimbies? Nighties? Willies?:D

Euphoria526
10-07-2012, 6:48 PM
Perfect.

zfields = CZealot (not derogatory)
Euphoria526 = Czechkkie (fanboi)

Hey zfields, you need to have a little chat with Euphoria. He's giving you all you CZ guys a bad name.

I just think you think I'm a fanboy. Hahaha
With guns I know I'm ignorant to the fact. Hell I'm brand new to the world of guns, I just have a loud opinion that the wrong people took offense too. That's all. I know you appreciate the message I try to convey, but I feel your not listening when I agree with you. Ill day it again, it's all personal preference/ what you can afford. I just have an agenda with the weapons I choose to own.
I'm just not a fan of MOST (not just glocks) polymer guns. Sometimes you act like I nut shot you every time I walk by.

Mr310
10-07-2012, 6:56 PM
I used to hate Glocks, too. Then I learned how to shoot properly. :43:

DRAB_81
10-07-2012, 7:23 PM
I just think you think I'm a fanboy. Hahaha
With guns I know I'm ignorant to the fact. Hell I'm brand new to the world of guns, I just have a loud opinion that the wrong people took offense too. That's all. I know you appreciate the message I try to convey, but I feel your not listening when I agree with you. Ill day it again, it's all personal preference/ what you can afford. I just have an agenda with the weapons I choose to own.
I'm just not a fan of MOST (not just glocks) polymer guns. Sometimes you act like I nut shot you every time I walk by.

I think it's funny that you're playing the victim now. Anyone that has read your posts can see through all the BS & contradiction in this post. Since you're "brand new to the world of guns", maye you should open your eyes & ears more, and open your mouth less.

That is all...

Euphoria526
10-08-2012, 12:05 PM
I think it's funny that you're playing the victim now. Anyone that has read your posts can see through all the BS & contradiction in this post. Since you're "brand new to the world of guns", maye you should open your eyes & ears more, and open your mouth less.

That is all...

My eyes and ears are always open. I just can't keep my mouth shut, my role is to question everything. I don't play the victem, and I don't cry wolf. Some people take this crap too seriously. Jeez. It's the interwebz full of opbinion. I try and play nice and this is the thanks I get.

lordres
10-08-2012, 12:20 PM
Simply put, if you order the Sig, you'll only need to buy mags(if 2 isn't enough). If you buy the CZ, you'll want to replace the hammer, and maybe get some polishing done on trigger parts, and buy some mags. When it's all said and done, price is very similar.

I bought the Sig P226 Stainless Elite before I bought the CZ 75 SP-01. The second I took down the CZ I was a little disapointed. Not very well finished. Hell the rails are sharp enough to cut. Plastic guide rod? In the end, none of those affect function of the pistol. It just comes down to personal preference. I haven't gotten around to fixing up the CZ yet, and I really don't have much reason to. I practice dry firing on it and that's about all the action it see's right now (the double action pull is harder and rougher, when I go back to the Sig it's like butter).

DRAB_81
10-08-2012, 12:25 PM
My eyes and ears are always open. I just can't keep my mouth shut, my role is to question everything. I don't play the victem, and I don't cry wolf. Some people take this crap too seriously. Jeez. It's the interwebz full of opbinion. I try and play nice and this is the thanks I get.

Since your little buddy got banned, you've been pretty quiet. I have a feeling that your attempt to "play nice", is Moderator induced.

If you can be a mature, educated contributor to this forum, I'll let it go. If you continue to act like you have been, I'll keep dropping the hammer. I'll bet you look back on all this in a year, and think to yourself, "I can't believe I used to be that way".

Euphoria526
10-08-2012, 12:54 PM
Since your little buddy got banned, you've been pretty quiet. I have a feeling that your attempt to "play nice", is Moderator induced.

If you can be a mature, educated contributor to this forum, I'll let it go. If you continue to act like you have been, I'll keep dropping the hammer. I'll bet you look back on all this in a year, and think to yourself, "I can't believe I used to be that way".

Hahaha
To be %100 honest I don't know wht you are talking about. I didnt even know I had a lil buddy. Lol. And nothing I do is moderator induced. I haven't broken ANY online "rules" and I haven't offended anyone enough to report me. So no my attempt to "play nice" as you put it, is from me. No one forces euphoria to do anything. Gator DONT take sh1t from no one.

paul0660
10-08-2012, 1:15 PM
Plastic guide rod?

Ouch. As noted, it doesn't matter.

btw kazaam is just yanking everyone's chain. He did get a good slice of the fanboy pie, however.

zfields
10-08-2012, 1:37 PM
Now I'm getting a P229 Enhanced Elite in 40SW and an EFK Firedragon barrel in 357sig.
I also put a deposit on another CZ P-01 since there so hard to come by even though I'm still trying to find an SP-01. I still want to SSE a CZ P-06 and acquire a P226 Navy MK25.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/caliSTi/Firearms/2D2E28EB-3F8F-4473-B6CA-B1157D0157C3-92193-000004AE2A7D4959.jpg

Those are some interesting grips.


I still don't see the facination with the p06. Incredibly expensive mags. Id rather stick with the sp01 phantom if I wanted poly.
*edit*, sorry I was thinking the p09, not the 6.

AE102
10-08-2012, 2:02 PM
Enough said :D But you can't go wrong with either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NRY52NcRfE

PAKALO
10-08-2012, 3:47 PM
CeeZee

smittty
10-09-2012, 9:11 AM
:D Sooo close. Wish the p226 elite stainless didnt look so flippin cool. Thats the real reason i want one!

Your choosing on looks and I know you want stainless but the all steel 226 is heavy - 42.2 oz empty!

In comparison the stainless CZ75 is 34.8 oz which by today's standards is still on the heavy side for 9mm pistols. My CZ Phantom is 28 oz. Most modern full size polymer or alloy frame 9mm is 27-30 oz.

Just my 2 cents!

CAGLS
10-09-2012, 10:33 AM
Those are some interesting grips.


I still don't see the facination with the p06. Incredibly expensive mags. Id rather stick with the sp01 phantom if I wanted poly.
*edit*, sorry I was thinking the p09, not the 6.
Grips are the Hogue extreme checkered G-10 D-Mascus in od green.
The P-06 is exactly the same as the P-01 except chambered in 40sw.

smittty
10-09-2012, 6:35 PM
I own both plus different versions of each and frankly I don't recommend either models in your poll.

Those guns are heavy and unless your a competition shooter you don't need the weight. If you ever carry the gun you won't want the weight.

I also don't recommend stainless. Polished or matte both scratch very easily and eventually look bad. Someone posted a pic of polished CZ75 earlier in this thread, take a look at the scratches.

After owning a variety of 226's I have a strong preference for the W German version. It balances better, points better and as a result it feels easier to shot well.

The alloy frame 226 weighs close the as the all steel CZ75, about 34 oz, same for the Beretta 92. Update the frames to polymer and you cut 6 oz off the weight. The all steel (stainless) 226 is over 42 oz...wow! Try carrying that on your belt and you'll quickly have a different opinion.

The heaviest pistol I'm willing to carry is my Phantom at 28 oz plus a full mag. This is close to the same weight as the G17, CZ P01, CZ PCR, etc...all great guns btw.

The PCR is probably my favorite CZ. Excellent trigger right out of box. My Phantom feels a lot better in my hands but the trigger still sucks even after replacing the springs polishing the internals. I have plans to replace the hammer and hopefully that improves it to match the PCR's trigger. The PCR trigger being so good is pure luck IMO.

Sigs also need trigger work. As do Beretta 92's and many other guns. Choosing a gun because it's supposed to have a better "out of the box" trigger might leave you disapointed.

I could go on...

inferno03
10-09-2012, 7:09 PM
I have used over 5 P226's and eveytime i use one they jam on me. I have used old and beat up 75B's and not one problem. I loved the CZ so much i bought one and love their supperior accuracy and reliability. Not to hate or rip on Sig's but those things have always been jamming machines no matter what kind I use.

forgiven
10-09-2012, 9:32 PM
P226

markw
10-09-2012, 10:18 PM
Tonights range trip had a CZ75 SP01, CZ97, 92fs, 1940 Luger, and a P226. General consensus was the CZ's felt way better. I'm betting a 97 is ordered before the end of the week. :) In reality you need to molest a bunch of pistols before making a decision. I do find it funny thought when we lay them all out and let people compare them side by side, the CZ always finds favor. We usually have a dozen or so pistols when someone is "shopping" for a gun.

lechiffre
10-09-2012, 10:56 PM
P226 stamped & folded > CZ-75b > milled P226