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borednnewtocali
07-03-2012, 1:27 PM
hey just moved here still really unfamiliar with the gun laws so figured id as some questions. anyway i always wanted an m1a probably a Springfield socom scout or something. my question is i was led to believe if i put a california legal muzzle break and only used ten round mags the rifle is legal in cali is this true?

brianm767
07-03-2012, 1:38 PM
If you keep the Flash Hider on it, you must make it a fixed mag rifle so as to not create an assault rifle by installing a mag lock, the mag can be removed to reload, it just has to use a tool to operate the mag release, in this configuration, you must use a ten or less round mag.

Or if you choose to remove the flash hider and or swap it out with a muzzle brake, you can use high caps mags, (capacity above ten rounds) but legaly you had to posses them in cali prior to the ban. Oh and no mag lock in this configuration.

Look at flow chart links across blue banner towards the top of the page.
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

17+1
07-03-2012, 6:33 PM
Buy online or used; you'll save a few hundred bucks over the local shops. You'll need the extra money to upgrade the crappy Chinese/Taiwanese parts Springfield uses.

Springfield offers CA legal versions from the factory which have a brake instead of a flash hider. Brake does not have a bayonet lug.

X-NewYawker
07-03-2012, 7:49 PM
The M1As sold in stores here are Cal Legal -- they come in from Springfield with Muzzle brakes instead of flash suppressors. BUy one here and it will be fine.

451040
07-04-2012, 2:28 AM
hey just moved here ...


Welcome.


still really unfamiliar with the gun laws ...


The laws are terrible.


anyway i always wanted an m1a probably a Springfield socom scout or something.

The short barrel M1As:

18" barrel Scout Squad
16.25" barrel Socom 16
16.25" barrel Socom II


my question is i was led to believe if i put a california legal muzzle break and only used ten round mags the rifle is legal in cali is this true?


All three of the short barreled M1As mentioned come from the factory with "California legal" muzzle brakes. There are no magazine capacity limits with these versions.






You'll need the extra money to upgrade the crappy Chinese/Taiwanese parts Springfield uses.


BS. He won't need to buy any USGI parts. The vast majority of the M1A/M14 clone owners who do swap to USGI parts do so because they want to not because they need to.

Sailormilan2
07-04-2012, 6:18 AM
With the muzzle brake on it, which makes it CA legal, or with a fake Chinese made flash suppressor(which also makes it CA legal), you can use any mags you want in it(5,10,20,25,30 rounds)..........................................a s long as you owned them prior to 2000.

Mossy Man
07-04-2012, 6:22 AM
With the muzzle brake on it, which makes it CA legal, or with a fake Chinese made flash suppressor(which also makes it CA legal), you can use any mags you want in it(5,10,20,25,30 rounds)..........................................a s long as you owned them prior to 2000.

how does the chinese made flash suppressor make it CA legal?

And you have to have owned them in in California before 1/1/00

Mossy Man
07-04-2012, 6:23 AM
my father also has two M1A's, a standard and a SOCOM 16. I like the standard better.

sholling
07-04-2012, 8:28 AM
I have the 18.5" Squad Scout which I consider the perfect compromise between CQB and long (800m) range without the weight of a hardware store on the front. ;)

Bud's is out of stock on some models right now because of the latest rush to buy but they do carry California compliant versions. California legal Springfield Armory part numbers end in CA for example the CA legal version of the Standard model with a synthetic stock is MA9106CA. You can look for part numbers for various California Complaint models on SA's website.

Squad Scout (http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?version=36) (SA Website)
Standard (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/41/products_id/11811/Rifles/Springfield+Armoy/Springfield%20M1A%20Standard,%20Synthetic%20Black% 20Stock,%20California/) (Bud's)
Loaded (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/41/products_id/27088/Rifles/Springfield+Armory/Springfield%20M1A%20STD%20308%20SYN%20BL%20LOADED/) (Bud's)
National Match (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/41/products_id/32900/Rifles/Springfield+Armory/Springfield%20M1A%20National%20Match%20Walnut%20St ainless%20Steel,%20Calif%20**S/) (Bud's)
Super Match (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/41/products_id/32903/Rifles/Springfield+Armory/Springfield%20M1A%20Super%20Match%20Black%20Stainl ess%20Steel%20Barrel%20Cal%20**S/) (Bud's)

Hoop
07-04-2012, 8:45 AM
If the model number ends in CA it's a Cali model.

Scout is a decent rifle. Not a fan of the Socom.

X-NewYawker
07-04-2012, 9:00 AM
Cal legal barrel length options from Springfield:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/Rifles/_MG_0827.jpg

18" Scout, 22" M21, 16" SOCOM

X-NewYawker
07-04-2012, 9:02 AM
I personally think the Scout length barrel is the best combo of portability and performance…

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/JAE%20rifles/blackJAEVltor.jpg

451040
07-04-2012, 12:39 PM
... as long as you owned them prior to 2000.And you have to have owned them in in California before 1/1/00


Not true. That is a separate issue.


how does the chinese made flash suppressor make it CA legal?


"fake" is the key word. He is referring to the units that don't have the slots cut out:


http://pictures.second-amendment.org/albums/userpics/fake-flash-hider.jpg


I personally think the Scout length barrel is the best combo of portability and performance…


^ this

Terryw123
07-04-2012, 1:01 PM
I have one that I will sell

borednnewtocali
07-07-2012, 1:37 PM
lol nice now i just gotta figure out how to pay for one

borednnewtocali
07-07-2012, 1:37 PM
lol nice now i just gotta figure out how to pay for one

Dont_Shoot_im_Chinese
07-07-2012, 2:09 PM
i love mine but i cant afford the expensive ammo

cfusionpm
07-07-2012, 2:16 PM
i love mine but i cant afford the expensive ammo

I feed mine Miwall gun show reloads. Probably put 500 of those through it so far without issue. Average purchase between $0.40-0.50 per round.

wjc
07-07-2012, 4:48 PM
I feed mine Miwall gun show reloads. Probably put 500 of those through it so far without issue. Average purchase between $0.40-0.50 per round.

Glad to see someone else using the sling off hand.

Is it just me or does that not look right with a 10 rd mag?


We need Standard Capacity Mags!

GW
07-07-2012, 9:56 PM
hey just moved here still really unfamiliar with the gun laws so figured id as some questions. anyway i always wanted an m1a probably a Springfield socom scout or something. my question is i was led to believe if i put a california legal muzzle break and only used ten round mags the rifle is legal in cali is this true?

Absolutely right
Many stores carry these already in CA configuration.

borednnewtocali
07-09-2012, 12:40 PM
my main thing is that if i buy a rifle i want something that i can just stick a 20 rounder on when i move outta state and still have a pretty dam good rifle which is why i want an m1a. Just find a muzzle device i like and that's also cali legal (tough but i think i can) and just use 10 rounders then if i go to a shooting clinic outta state or when i move just start using the big mags. Tacticool stocks are nice but i can deal with a regular stock for it just use a cheek riser n a decent scope.

cfusionpm
07-09-2012, 2:47 PM
I've personally never seen the need to change out the CA muzzle brake. I actually prefer it to a standard flash hider. It does its job decently and has significantly less felt recoil compared to my .308 bull barrel bolt action.

flyingjalapeno
07-10-2012, 3:37 PM
I personally think the Scout length barrel is the best combo of portability and performance…

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/JAE%20rifles/blackJAEVltor.jpg


What stock is that, you have an awesome rifle sir!!! :cool:

Pyromaniac34
07-10-2012, 8:09 PM
What stock is that, you have an awesome rifle sir!!! :cool:

I did some digging and found out that it is the JAE-100 stock. Not cheap. Not cheap at all. $600 for the stock and rubber grip.