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mws314
07-02-2012, 6:32 PM
Hi guys, I'm thinking about picking up an AR but want to do so legally. I have been doing a-lot of research, and have gone through the flow charts and have read the penal codes associated with them. Right now the two rifles that I like that are in my price range is the RRA LAR15 Elite Operator 2, and the S&W M&P15 PSX.

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=462
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_765910_-1_757785_757784_757784_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

So my questions are:

1. RRA has some AW on the banned list but I do not see the LAR15 on that list. So does that mean I could order that rifle, have it shipped to a local FFL have a bullet button installed with a 10 rd clip, and then I would be good to go? If that rifle is not CA legal, could I buy an OLL, and attach the complete upper for the RRA Elite Operator shown here? http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=433

2. Basically the same q's for the S&W. Could I get that rifle which is not on the banned list have a bullet button installed and be good? S&W actually offers the same rifle in a CA legal version with a bullet button and ten round clip factory installed, but the hand guard isn't a 4 rail which I am looking for. So I could buy an OLL, and attach the completed upper from this rifle and would be OK? http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_790050_-1_772153_757784_757784_ProductDisplayErrorView_N

3. It says that all Colt AR15 AW are banned, but on the Colt website they sell factory installed bullet buttons, and ten round clips that they claim are fully CA legal. Is this true, or is that basically a false claim to get people to buy the rifle anyways?

The last thing I want to do is get put in jail for a gun I thought to be legal, so I want to be 100% certain.

I am going to call RRA tomorrow, and some local gun shops to get their opinions, but thought I would try here first. Thanks alot for your help guys!.

Mossy Man
07-02-2012, 6:37 PM
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

Baconator
07-02-2012, 6:41 PM
I might be wrong, but I think that you can only have an AW sent to a certain type of ffl to do the conversion for you. You are going to end up paying a transfer fee and potentially a fee for some gunsmithing to make it Ca legal. You are better off either buying a stripped or complete lower and putting the upper of your choice on it. You could also try to find someone who stocks these guns locally.

In regards to Colt, the "Colt AR15" is banned by name but they have released versions that are not called "Colt AR15" that wouldn't automatically be banned by name.

mws314
07-02-2012, 6:47 PM
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

Well according to the flow chart which I have sat down in detail to go through many times, and read every penal code associated with it. The RRA firearm should be fine to own in CA, but no way I'm going to risk it without knowing for sure.

Mossy Man
07-02-2012, 6:50 PM
Well according to the flow chart which I have sat down in detail to go through many times, and read every penal code associated with it. The RRA firearm should be fine to own in CA, but no way I'm going to risk it without knowing for sure.

that's the inherent risk you take owning guns in CA period.

The gun laws here are so poorly written and stupid that NOBODY but us really knows what they mean.