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nightwolf0215
07-02-2012, 12:00 AM
What is the shortest but still legal rifle in california? It should be some of the bullpup, since they waste no space and the integrate barrel becomes part of the stock. Am i right? Also how do bullpups like fs2000, ps90 compared to ar in term of accuracy and fun to shoot?

Dont_Shoot_im_Chinese
07-02-2012, 12:02 AM
You want a "rifle" or just want a firearm that shoots rifle rounds? Theres always AOW's if you just want short powerful fun toys

mhswlee
07-02-2012, 12:09 AM
I believe every long gun needs to have a 16 inch barrel and a 30 inch overall length.

Merc1138
07-02-2012, 12:14 AM
I believe every long gun needs to have a 16 inch barrel and a 30 inch overall length.

Every semi auto centerfire rifle needs that.

Any other rifle(rimfire, bolt action, etc.) just needs a 16" barrel and 26" OAL.

A shotgun needs an 18" barrel.

If you want anything shorter than the minimum lengths, you'll need to start looking at AOWs as mentioned.

nightwolf0215
07-02-2012, 12:21 AM
What i meant is a 30" rifle with a 16" barrel and is compact enough. Ive been looking at ps90 and fs2000 that has decent length. Id prefer something that shoots the 556 than 5.7 due to the cost.

Ub3rD0rk
07-02-2012, 12:22 AM
A bullpup will still have to meet the 16" barrel 30" over all length. You just won't see the barrel because it is enclosed inside of the stock. If you are looking for the appearance of a short barrel rifle, then the bullpup will be your best bet. Otherwise you can build a rifle with a barrel shorter than 16", then pin and weld on a fake silencer.

Merc1138
07-02-2012, 12:24 AM
The fs2000 shoots 5.56, as does the msar stg.

tonelar
07-02-2012, 12:25 AM
For a semi auto bullpup to be 30" you'll need something between 18" and 20" bbl.
Unless you have a raw.

With a 14.5" bbl (blind pinned fh to 16.1"), my shortest raw bullpup barely clears 26".

MrPlink
07-02-2012, 12:26 AM
Go AR or AK pistol.

Merc1138
07-02-2012, 12:30 AM
For a semi auto bullpup to be 30" you'll need something between 18" and 20" bbl.
Unless you have a raw.

With a 14.5" bbl (blind pinned fh to 16.1"), my shortest raw bullpup barely clears 26".

It can also be done with stock or barrel extensions pretty easily since they don't require any permanence(only thing that needs to be permanent is an extension for a barrel under 16" per ATF).

Technically you could meet the OAL with a bayonet, but there's probably any number of reasons that's not a very good idea.

brando
07-02-2012, 1:14 PM
http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Desert_Tactical_Arms_DTA_Stealth_Recon_Scout_SRS_C overt_7.62mm_Bullpup_Sniper_Rifle_5.jpg

SRS Covert
16" barrel in a 26" OAL

tonelar
07-02-2012, 1:46 PM
It can also be done with stock or barrel extensions pretty easily since they don't require any permanence(only thing that needs to be permanent is an extension for a barrel under 16" per ATF).

Technically you could meet the OAL with a bayonet, but there's probably any number of reasons that's not a very good idea.

Definitely agree with you. I only blind pinned because my barrel was under 16". My bullpups already have longer lops than most conventional equivalents, so I avoided extending the stock.

What'd be neat would be a hinged shoulder plate (eg M14) so you increase he OAL but don't alter LOP.

Whiplash Actual
07-02-2012, 2:00 PM
Go AR or AK pistol.

+1.

njineermike
07-02-2012, 2:01 PM
How long is a super soaker anyway? That's fast becoming the only California legal rifle there is.

AngelZ3R0
07-02-2012, 2:28 PM
How long is a super soaker anyway? That's fast becoming the only California legal rifle there is.

Slow your roll there.

Does that super soaker have a device to slow reloading times.You can only fill it with a straw or smaller sized hose if it has a pistol grip. You may use a normal hose if your fill hole is smaller then a pencil and you may not have a tank larger then 2 OZ. Also no super soakers that can shoot farther then 33.335 feet do to the fact that it could shoot a plane right out of the sky.

As long as it conforms then you can have it.

njineermike
07-02-2012, 2:31 PM
Slow your roll there.

Does that super soaker have a device to slow reloading times.You can only fill it with a straw or smaller sized hose if it has a pistol grip. You may use a normal hose if your fill hole is smaller then a pencil and you may not have a tank larger then 2 OZ. Also no super soakers that can shoot farther then 33.335 feet do to the fact that it could shoot a plane right out of the sky.

As long as it conforms then you can have it.

I figured there was a catch.

CSACANNONEER
07-02-2012, 2:39 PM
A C&R SBR would be legal in Ca. If you're talking about non-NFA rifles, Screw the bullpup, there are many non-bull pup rifles which have 16" barrels and measure a hair over 26" total.

stix213
07-02-2012, 3:23 PM
AR pistol, use the RRA pistol buffer tube which is near carbine length, shoulder the buffer tube.

Sailormilan2
07-02-2012, 4:47 PM
Tanker Garand in 308 Win. 18 1/2" barrel, folded length is 30 1/4" with flash suppressor installed.:43:

http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx166/Sailormilan2/000_2111.jpg

dachan
07-02-2012, 5:18 PM
Tanker Garand in 308 Win. 18 1/2" barrel, folded length is 30 1/4" with flash suppressor installed.:43:


Isn't the enbloc clip considered a detachable magazine?

Merc1138
07-02-2012, 5:36 PM
Isn't the enbloc clip considered a detachable magazine?

What?

It's a clip. The clip goes into the magazine. The magazine is not detachable.

bobomb
07-02-2012, 9:11 PM
i think they make a rifle called a cricket its a little single shot it has a 16 inch barrel and is 26 oal

n1k0n3
07-03-2012, 7:20 PM
You could always get a Yugo SKS 59/66 and throw it in a Shernic Bullpup stock. 22 inch barrel with a 32 inch overall length if you remove the muzzle device.

Kappy
07-03-2012, 9:14 PM
Slow your roll there.

Does that super soaker have a device to slow reloading times.You can only fill it with a straw or smaller sized hose if it has a pistol grip. You may use a normal hose if your fill hole is smaller then a pencil and you may not have a tank larger then 2 OZ. Also no super soakers that can shoot farther then 33.335 feet do to the fact that it could shoot a plane right out of the sky.

As long as it conforms then you can have it.

I figured there was a catch.

Actually, if you have to use a hex wrench to remove the tank for refilling, you don't need a catch.

But the legislature is looking that over next year.

kotetu
07-31-2012, 5:28 PM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=298619123

A Marlin Camp 9 in bullpup configuration. Oh man I want it! Unfortunately it's 27" in total length. :(

Merc1138
07-31-2012, 5:33 PM
Actually, if you have to use a hex wrench to remove the tank for refilling, you don't need a catch.

But the legislature is looking that over next year.

The DOJ would have **** bricks if they saw what I did with a supersoaker as a kid. The SS 50 had the same threads as the end of the garden hose, but with the hose pressure the valve didn't work, so I had a nonstop fully automatic unlimited stream of bulle... water that went way over 75ft. In fact, with the hose over my shoulder it kinda went up... omg shoulder thing that goes up :eek:

xibunkrlilkidsx
07-31-2012, 5:35 PM
What i meant is a 30" rifle with a 16" barrel and is compact enough. Ive been looking at ps90 and fs2000 that has decent length. Id prefer something that shoots the 556 than 5.7 due to the cost.

than the fs2000 would be your choice, sounds like you made up your own mind just didnt realize it yet.. there are other bullpups out there just a matter of finding one in stock.
unless you went with the franklin aromory rifle.
http://www.franklinarmory.com/PRODUCTS_XO-26B.html

Or an AR pistol

hossb7
07-31-2012, 5:53 PM
Isn't the enbloc clip considered a detachable magazine?

I've heard a lot of people call magazines clips, but this is the first time i've heard someone call a clip a magazine.

consider yourself famous.

fizux
07-31-2012, 6:03 PM
I've heard a lot of people call magazines clips, but this is the first time i've heard someone call a clip a magazine.

consider yourself famous.

Well, you never know here in PRK. Our esteemed senator wants to ban hi-cap "clips," and sometimes the mag ban wording makes me think it applies to stripper clips as well (since they are a detachable ammunition feeding device).

sharxbyte
07-31-2012, 6:24 PM
Actually, if you have to use a hex wrench to remove the tank for refilling, you don't need a catch.

But the legislature is looking that over next year.

Aren't Super-Soakers fully automatic?
:confused::confused::confused:

They let out a burst when you pull the trigger once, or keep shooting if you hold the trigger... I though we couldn't have them here :0

Merc1138
07-31-2012, 6:28 PM
Aren't Super-Soakers fully automatic?
:confused::confused::confused:

They let out a burst when you pull the trigger once, or keep shooting if you hold the trigger... I though we couldn't have them here :0

Burst is not the same as full auto :p

sharxbyte
07-31-2012, 7:47 PM
It has both modes; Either way it's a select fire weapon...:willy_nilly::60:

chead
07-31-2012, 7:48 PM
A 14.5" AR-15 with a permanent muzzle device will be just a hair under 31" with the stock collapsed. If you want something shorter, you should look at rifle caliber pistols like other folks have suggested. Either an AR pistol or AK pistol would do what you're looking for, just be aware they're more "PDW" than they are "rifle".

Sicarius
08-01-2012, 1:19 AM
Steyr USR is exactly 30 inches with a 20 inch barrel.
Kevin

FUBAR
09-20-2012, 4:07 PM
How long is a super soaker anyway? That's fast becoming the only California legal rifle there is.

We all know Super Soakers are made in China and imported here. So, if you decide to increase the water capacity over 5 oz or put a pistol grip on it, you would have to make it 922r compliant.

G lock
09-20-2012, 4:09 PM
http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww262/HS2/IMG_0862b.jpg

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/733464_Interesting_Firearms__The_MSAR_STG_556___An _Old_Painless_homage_.html

supermario
09-20-2012, 6:46 PM
Despite what most people say, AR Pistols can be quite handy if you know how to properly cheek the buffer tube. There is NO need to put that tube to your shoulder, just put the buffer tube to your cheek and line up the sights. Thats all, no shoulder movement. Myself and my 12 and 13yr old daughters shoot them very well.

FYI, that forward vertical grip is legal because of the length of the Ar pistol. Not legal the on shorter Pistol obviously.




http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu165/supermariov/IMG-20120909-00559.jpg

Mssr. Eleganté
09-20-2012, 9:51 PM
...and sometimes the mag ban wording makes me think it applies to stripper clips as well (since they are a detachable ammunition feeding device).

The assault weapon regs say that clips are not ammunition feeding devices...

Title 11. Law
Division 5. Firearms Regulations
Chapter 39. Assault Weapons and Large- Capacity Magazines
Article 2. Definitions of Terms Used to Identify Assault Weapons
§ 5469. Definitions.


The following definitions apply to terms used in the identification of assault weapons pursuant to Penal Code section 30515:

(a) “Detachable magazine” means any ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from the firearm with neither disassembly of the firearm action nor use of a tool being required. A bullet or ammunition cartridge is considered a tool. Ammunition feeding device includes any belted or linked ammunition, but does not include clips, en bloc clips, or stripper clips that load cartridges into the magazine.

That's why the "tanker" Garand that Sailormilan2 posted is not an assault weapon under California law, even with the folding stock and flash suppressor.

steelrain82
09-20-2012, 11:18 PM
what is the setup on the center pistol?

http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu165/supermariov/IMG-20120909-00559.jpg

joelberg
09-21-2012, 8:40 PM
Despite what most people say, AR Pistols can be quite handy if you know how to properly cheek the buffer tube. There is NO need to put that tube to your shoulder, just put the buffer tube to your cheek and line up the sights. Thats all, no shoulder movement. Myself and my 12 and 13yr old daughters shoot them very well.

FYI, that forward vertical grip is legal because of the length of the Ar pistol. Not legal the on shorter Pistol obviously.




http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu165/supermariov/IMG-20120909-00559.jpg

What are those o-rings/divets you have plugged into the cooling holes on that Troy Alpha rail?