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Lexustech48
06-30-2012, 12:18 PM
As the title suggests, Im wondering the opinion of the forum regarding big caliber and small caliber chambered AK style rifles.

It appears that both the 7.62x39 and 5.45x39 ammo is similarly price. Also, one is bigger than the other (duh :D ).

Why would someone choose a 7.62x39 over a 5.45.39 AK style rifle, or vise versa?

Which do you prefer and why?

Mossy Man
06-30-2012, 12:23 PM
the 545 is probably a little cheaper, and also has better results vs. unarmored targets and better range if i'm not mistaken

BoonieGhost
06-30-2012, 12:27 PM
7.62 hits like a frickin TANK!!! it'll punch holes in engine blocks and solid hardwood doors and keep going and it makes a pretty good Deer & Hog hunting cartridge in a pinch if thats all you had. 7.62 is also more available unless you're a stockpiler. I have both, i love both, but if I have to pick one, I'd go with 7.62!

BoonieGhost
06-30-2012, 12:33 PM
the 545 is probably a little cheaper, and also has better results vs. unarmored targets and better range if i'm not mistaken

Better Range and accuracy ill give you, but a 7.62 JHP can not be beat for flesh damage. You should see what is does to the shoulder of a Hog!

Mossy Man
06-30-2012, 12:34 PM
Better Range and accuracy ill give you, but a 7.62 JHP can not be beat for flesh damage. You should see what is does to the shoulder of a Hog!

what about it's yawing properties? i meant vs. humans not so much pigs

BoonieGhost
06-30-2012, 12:37 PM
what about it's yawing properties? i meant vs. humans not so much pigs

they Both yaw pretty well in FMJ believe it not, but the 5.45 wins hands down in the tumbling act! the 7.62 is just shear stopping power and hits harder than a 5.56 or 5.45 ever even thought about!

VegasND
06-30-2012, 12:49 PM
Well, I have rifles in both calibers, so you can probably guess that I'm going to recommend you ...

GET BOTH

But it you're really only going to get one, get the 7.62x39 because ammo is much easier to find -- even WalMart carries it.

There is still surplus 5.45 available and it's cheap; 1260 rounds in a spam can is easy to find under $150.00

Don't let the fact that it's labelled corrosive stop you, people worry way too much about that.

Kappy
06-30-2012, 12:49 PM
I like 7.62... but it's better when it's 7.62x54.

!@#$
06-30-2012, 12:58 PM
http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=310


In both uncomplicated extremity and torso wounds, the very early yaw of these lead core 7.62 x 39 mm FMJ bullets allow the projectiles to travel sideways through the body, substantially increasing permanent tissue destruction and temporary cavitation effects compared to the standard 7.62 x 39 mm Russian M43 Type PS 120.5 gr FMJ. These early yawing lead core 7.62 x 39 mm FMJ bullets cause wounds very similar to the 5.45 x 39 mm Russian M74 53 gr FMJ bullets, however, the larger size of the 7.62 x 39 mm bullets results in a bigger permanent cavity compared to 5.45 x 39 mm bullets.

Of note, most of the "cheap” Russian JHP/JSP ammunition offers poor terminal performance. The one that seems to work is the 7.62x39mm Saspan 124 gr JHP (Ulyanovsk Machinery Plant; 8M3 bullet); from a 16” AKMS the data is:

BG: vel=2297 f/s, pen=15.0”, Max TC=10cm@18cm, RD=0.63”, RW=100.5gr"

Jpach
06-30-2012, 1:22 PM
I prefer 14.7x114mm.

5.45x39 if you want to have cheap fun and fast follow up shots, and 7.62x39 if you want to bust through things and if you want a little more confidence when hunting.

dre147
06-30-2012, 1:24 PM
7.62 is a little more expensive but much easier to find, and will shoot through most urban material much easier like walls, car doors etc..

MrPlink
06-30-2012, 2:41 PM
both

TKM
06-30-2012, 2:47 PM
7.62 hits like a frickin TANK!!!

No, it doesn't. It hits like a 30-30.

Maybe I just don't play the right video games or something?

Lexustech48
06-30-2012, 6:34 PM
Well Im interested in the 7.62x39 because of the cheap ammo, I have found even in CA that a WASR 10 can be had for around $600 bucks.

Dont really have much experience with the 5.45x39 round so I wanted to see what everyone thought about it.

haha, you can never have too many firearms can you?

zfields
06-30-2012, 6:42 PM
No, it doesn't. It hits like a 30-30.

Maybe I just don't play the right video games or something?

+1.


Either way, I like 7.62x39, but I wouldn't kick a 5.45 out of bed either. You will get a much flatter shooting rifle with 5.45.

cfusionpm
06-30-2012, 6:44 PM
7.62x39 is a big caliber? I was expecting to see 7.62x54R!

zfields
06-30-2012, 6:47 PM
7.62x39 is a big caliber? I was expecting to see 7.62x54R!

Caliber wise they are pretty much the same (I know you know that, just being a pain)


It's all about a nice big powder charge!

cfusionpm
06-30-2012, 7:17 PM
Caliber wise they are pretty much the same (I know you know that, just being a pain)


It's all about a nice big powder charge!

Exactly. A baseball's a baseball. But would you rather I throw it? Or Nolan Ryan?

:D

zfields
06-30-2012, 8:16 PM
Exactly. A baseball's a baseball. But would you rather I throw it? Or Nolan Ryan?

:D

He's getting pretty old.....might be a safer way to go.

elSquid
06-30-2012, 8:55 PM
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/60304.jpg

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/37_229/products_id/60304/USSG+45-70+Govt+Side+By+Side+Double+Rifle23.5%22+Blued+Bar rel

:shifty:

-- Michael

zfields
06-30-2012, 9:46 PM
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/60304.jpg

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/37_229/products_id/60304/USSG+45-70+Govt+Side+By+Side+Double+Rifle23.5%22+Blued+Bar rel

:shifty:

-- Michael

I have a 1895 gbl 45-70. Its really not that bad. Like shooting a 12ga with a light loaded slug.

Sent from my Incredible 2 using Tapatalk 2

xCaliChris
06-30-2012, 10:14 PM
I've always wanted a 5.45 over a 7.62, just my 2 pesos..

paul0660
06-30-2012, 10:20 PM
I like stuff that can shoot thorough stuff. 7.62 in some loadings has twice the energy of 5.45.

xCaliChris
06-30-2012, 10:39 PM
That's why I have a mauser :) but yeah its apples and oranges.

mls343
07-01-2012, 6:46 AM
7.62x39 - The way it was meant to be.

Quickdraw Mcgraw
07-01-2012, 2:33 PM
another vote for 7.62x39. just feels right...an the cans know you hit em wit the .39!!

5.45 is great for the ladys! No recoil an all that.

chead
07-01-2012, 2:48 PM
Both are great, just depends what you prefer. I love 5.45 but I only have 7.62 AKs at the moment.

PEZHEAD265
07-01-2012, 3:05 PM
7.62x51 is what I thought he would want in a Russian gun.Reach out and drop something at 600-700 yds or more.And ammo is easier to get then the 54.

PEZHEAD265
07-01-2012, 3:08 PM
another vote for 7.62x39. just feels right...an the cans know you hit em wit the .39!!

5.45 is great for the ladys! No recoil an all that.

Which 39 are you talking about???

Gatotsu77
07-01-2012, 3:15 PM
7.62x39 is a big caliber? I was expecting to see 7.62x54R!

Same caliber, one just has substantially more powder and a heavier bullet it is pushing. (and I'm absolutely certain you know this fully well, I'm merely making a point because it frustrates me when "bigger caliber" to most people means a "bigger boom," and not the diameter of the projectile)


I have shot a couple AK's in 7.62x39, and they were quite comfortable to shoot. Granted, I was standing, so some of the perceived recoil was dissipated in shoving my torso backward vs. shooting from a bench, but I didn't feel it to be much worse than 5.56 recoil honestly. I shot a .308 chambered G3 the same day, and THAT had a bit more of a kick. :P Based on availability and ease of access, I'd vote 7.62x39.

PEZHEAD265
07-01-2012, 3:21 PM
If I had to choose between the 2 I would pick the 5.45x39 just because the 7.62x39 is only effective for about 200 yds.The 5.45 can reach out further 400-500 yds effectively.

Mojaveman
07-01-2012, 9:16 PM
They both have their pros and cons.

7.62? More available, more energy & mass if needed to shoot through mediums.

5.45? Shoots flatter and you can carry more.

Dont_Shoot_im_Chinese
07-01-2012, 10:42 PM
Both are must haves! Cheap and powerful

BucDan
07-02-2012, 9:23 AM
^this!

hcbr
07-02-2012, 10:36 AM
Go Big or go home... 7.62x39 all the way!

stix213
07-02-2012, 12:40 PM
If it is for recreation, 7.62x39 is going to be a little more fun. If you're planning to hike 10 miles with a rifle and 250 rounds of ammo, or need to hit beyond 300 yards, then I'd go 5.45x39.

TwinStick
07-02-2012, 3:35 PM
what about it's yawing properties? i meant vs. humans not so much pigs

Um, isn't pig flesh, organ tissue and bone the closest to human you'll find? Isn't that why they use it for ballistics tests?

Richard Erichsen
07-02-2012, 6:14 PM
As the title suggests, Im wondering the opinion of the forum regarding big caliber and small caliber chambered AK style rifles.

It appears that both the 7.62x39 and 5.45x39 ammo is similarly price. Also, one is bigger than the other (duh :D ).

Why would someone choose a 7.62x39 over a 5.45.39 AK style rifle, or vise versa?

Which do you prefer and why?

The rifle/carbine/pistol doesn't need to be Russian for the question to remain valid. Plenty of very non-Russian Romanian, Polish, Bulgarian, Yugoslavian/Serbian even Chinese and Egyptian AKs, to name a few.

For general purpose, you can't go wrong with 7.62x39 bullet hoses. If I were hunting, I'd want the 7.62x39 mm for deer, hogs or similar sized critters if for some reason I didn't have something with more oomph to choose from. Ammunition choices for this caliber are currently extensive and every major and many minor makers load ammunition from light target loads, to HD loads to heavy hunting loads that come close to replicating the venerable .30-30. I can buy ammo from Wallyworld if for some reason I find myself with a rifle and no ammunition just about anywhere in the US of A.

The AK74 is neat, a bit lighter and has a flatter trajectory, which may make it a better choice for target shooting or smacking smaller critters. Ammunition choices are VERY limited with only one major domestic maker and two nearly interchangeable loads (SST and Vmax). I cannot buy ammo nearly as easily and the majority of the ammunition that is imported is ordinary FMJ. From an ammunition availability and effectiveness standpoint, the 7.62x39 mm, having been around and available in the US considerably longer has the clear advantage. However, inexpensive milsurp is what this caliber gained notoriety with and as long as we can buy cheaply by the crate or spam can, this caliber will continue to gain popularity. When more US makers start making modern loads the way they have for 7.62x39 mm and expand the selection of bullets from roughly three (pretty poor) to something a whole lot better.

I own both, but the 7.62x39 mm rifles get fed modern, quality ammunition frequently while the 5.45x39 mm rifles mostly get the old milsurp 5N7 and 7N6. The Vmax and SST in this caliber is probably the best we have for HD or varmint hunting use, but wasted on paper targets.

R

FX-05 Xiuhcoatl
07-02-2012, 6:23 PM
7.62x39 why well it's fun, bigger hole and if you are looking for hunting or self defence ammo it will be easier and wit barnes TSX bullets "wow mama" it will drop any human or Zombie.

IEatZ28
07-02-2012, 7:01 PM
I got mine in .223 and .308.
Only X39 Is my PMKMS.

Mossy Man
07-02-2012, 7:30 PM
Um, isn't pig flesh, organ tissue and bone the closest to human you'll find? Isn't that why they use it for ballistics tests?

a boar's skin is a lot thicker than ours. I've seen .22LR's bounce off of pigs but i'm certain it will penetrate our skin with ease.

kcjr1125
07-02-2012, 7:30 PM
Go mini 14 in 6.8

artoaster
07-02-2012, 8:05 PM
5.45x39 for zombies and 7.62x39 for zombies in cars!

Paltik
07-02-2012, 10:25 PM
7.62x39 for penetration, hunting game up to about deer size, and wider availability of the nonmagnetic ammo required in so many SoCal locations. Easier to get your hands on after TEOTWAWKI.

5.45x39 for ammo weight, but the rifle will probably weigh more (same size barrel with smaller bore), less recoil, hunting varmints.

Rorge Retson
07-03-2012, 4:14 AM
Go big or go home.

PEZHEAD265
07-03-2012, 5:13 AM
The rifle/carbine/pistol doesn't need to be Russian for the question to remain valid. Plenty of very non-Russian Romanian, Polish, Bulgarian, Yugoslavian/Serbian even Chinese and Egyptian AKs, to name a few.

For general purpose, you can't go wrong with 7.62x39 bullet hoses. If I were hunting, I'd want the 7.62x39 mm for deer, hogs or similar sized critters if for some reason I didn't have something with more oomph to choose from. Ammunition choices for this caliber are currently extensive and every major and many minor makers load ammunition from light target loads, to HD loads to heavy hunting loads that come close to replicating the venerable .30-30. I can buy ammo from Wallyworld if for some reason I find myself with a rifle and no ammunition just about anywhere in the US of A.

The AK74 is neat, a bit lighter and has a flatter trajectory, which may make it a better choice for target shooting or smacking smaller critters. Ammunition choices are VERY limited with only one major domestic maker and two nearly interchangeable loads (SST and Vmax). I cannot buy ammo nearly as easily and the majority of the ammunition that is imported is ordinary FMJ. From an ammunition availability and effectiveness standpoint, the 7.62x39 mm, having been around and available in the US considerably longer has the clear advantage. However, inexpensive milsurp is what this caliber gained notoriety with and as long as we can buy cheaply by the crate or spam can, this caliber will continue to gain popularity. When more US makers start making modern loads the way they have for 7.62x39 mm and expand the selection of bullets from roughly three (pretty poor) to something a whole lot better.

I own both, but the 7.62x39 mm rifles get fed modern, quality ammunition frequently while the 5.45x39 mm rifles mostly get the old milsurp 5N7 and 7N6. The Vmax and SST in this caliber is probably the best we have for HD or varmint hunting use, but wasted on paper targets.

R

If you pick the 5.45x39,stack the ammo deep because it won't be cheap for much longer.Only about 7 years ago I was buying 7.62x39 for less then 80 bucks delivered and under 60 at gun shows.The price increases are due to supply and demand and when the Fed. AWB ended in 2004 the price of ammo increased.I remember buying a 1000 rds of 7.62x39 cheep and the next time it whent up 20 bucks a case.You can't blame Obama for it yea it spiked but it came down and now it is going up again.If you choose the 5.45 stack it deep.

Milsurps
07-03-2012, 5:40 AM
Why would someone choose a 7.62x39 over a 5.45.39 AK style rifle, or vise versa?

Which do you prefer and why?

7.62x39
For me it's caliber commonalty with my SKS's. :D

Yugo's are the Best SKS's... ;)

Richard Erichsen
07-03-2012, 8:20 AM
If you pick the 5.45x39,stack the ammo deep because it won't be cheap for much longer.Only about 7 years ago I was buying 7.62x39 for less then 80 bucks delivered and under 60 at gun shows.The price increases are due to supply and demand and when the Fed. AWB ended in 2004 the price of ammo increased.I remember buying a 1000 rds of 7.62x39 cheep and the next time it whent up 20 bucks a case.You can't blame Obama for it yea it spiked but it came down and now it is going up again.If you choose the 5.45 stack it deep.

Milsurp of the current types will be probably the last to be in the "cheap" category that can be imported and yes, like anything else, it is going to run out sooner or later.

Changes in import restrictions, scrutiny about which rounds from the 7N6 to the 7N24 are actually "armor piercing" and similar rounds made in former Warsaw Pact countries will restrict the newer stuff when in a few decades it too is surplus. Hopefully by then domestic makers will fill the void for nifty rifles that are fun to shoot and light on the wallet.

I gaurantee that in 10 years time, we'll have the same number of threads comparing the ammo prices then to now and they will look the same as the threads I read now about ammo prices 10 and 20 years ago. "Boy ammo sure was cheap back then, wish I had bought more!" Mark my words, regardless of the political landscape, ammo prices will only go up.

The future post will read "July 3rd, 2022 'OldTimer' wrote: I recall back in 2012 when a fella could buy up a 440 round 7.62x54r spamcan for $128, or a crate of 5.45x39 mm for not much more!! I wish I had bought more when I had the chance!"

R