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.300 Weatherby Mag
06-26-2012, 4:57 PM
So I'm new to the whole AR thing... In February, a fellow Cal Gunner let me shoot his homemade AR-15 build with a Trijicon Acog on it... It was love half way through the first 10 round mag... I have a complete gun (Sig 516 Patrol) on order that I'm expecting to arrive anytime now.. I will learn to shoot the gun with irons, but I do want to add a compact variable power optic on a GG & G or similar detachable mount.. I grew up traditional variable hunting scopes with duplex style reticles.. I want something that's not a complete departure from this background.. I was looking at purchasing a Leupold VX-R 1-4x with the German #4 illuminated reticle.. I want something with a reticle that will give me reasonable accuracy on paper at 100 and 200 yards but will also give me the ability to engage target at shorter ranges on the 1X setting.. The problem I've noticed with most tactical/combat oriented reticles is that the subtension is so great that you are not able to achieve the paper precision I want... Most optics designed for these guns seem to have a subtension of around 3 inches or more at 100 yards... I need the ability to aim with more precision than that.. I will give a budget of around $800 for the optic itself.. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated...

Hoop
06-26-2012, 5:03 PM
The 3-9 leupold patrol might be a better idea than the 1-4. Little more magnification never hurt when shooting mainly paper. The tactical TMR reticule it has isn't confusing either.

HK Dave
06-26-2012, 5:30 PM
SWFA 1-6x

ptgarcia
06-26-2012, 10:13 PM
Take a look at the Burris MTAC and the XTR tactical series scopes. They're kind of a mix of a standard scope and red dot. I have an older Burris TAC30 with German #4 reticle on my AR. I haven't shot the gun with it yet but fooling around with it at home I'm sure I'm going to like it. I use a Burris Fullfield II on my Marlin .30-30 and I'm very happy with it.

sholling
06-26-2012, 11:55 PM
So I'm new to the whole AR thing... In February, a fellow Cal Gunner let me shoot his homemade AR-15 build with a Trijicon Acog on it... It was love half way through the first 10 round mag... I have a complete gun (Sig 516 Patrol) on order that I'm expecting to arrive anytime now.. I will learn to shoot the gun with irons, but I do want to add a compact variable power optic on a GG & G or similar detachable mount.. I grew up traditional variable hunting scopes with duplex style reticles.. I want something that's not a complete departure from this background.. I was looking at purchasing a Leupold VX-R 1-4x with the German #4 illuminated reticle.. I want something with a reticle that will give me reasonable accuracy on paper at 100 and 200 yards but will also give me the ability to engage target at shorter ranges on the 1X setting.. The problem I've noticed with most tactical/combat oriented reticles is that the subtension is so great that you are not able to achieve the paper precision I want... Most optics designed for these guns seem to have a subtension of around 3 inches or more at 100 yards... I need the ability to aim with more precision than that.. I will give a budget of around $800 for the optic itself.. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated...
I have a Burris Xtreme Tactical 1-4x24 (http://swfa.com/Burris-1-4x24-Xtreme-Tactical-XTR-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P45510.aspx) (~$700) in a LaRue Mount (http://www.laruetactical.com/larue-mounts) (~$220) on my 6.8. The low end is a true 1x.

I have not tried the new Weaver Super Slam 1-5x24 illuminated tactical (http://swfa.com/Weaver-1-5x24-Tactical-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P49447.aspx) scope ($670) but in general I like Weaver scopes and their Super Slams are in the same quality range as a Leupold VX-2. They also have a non-illuminated version (http://www.amazon.com/Weaver-Super-Dangerous-Dual-X-Reticle/dp/B003PVO67O) for less than $400, I just don't know if they are true 1x.

The budget option is a Weaver Classic V3 (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/183610/weaver-classic-v-series-rifle-scope-1-3x-20mm-dual-x-reticle-matte?productNumber=183610) 1-3x20. It's a true 1x on the low end and a rugged dangerous game scope with good glass for $150. I have one in a cheap ($90) quick disconnect P.E.P.R. mount (http://swfa.com/Burris-AR-Tactical-Mounts-C1694.aspx).

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u197/damnfineguy/My%20Toys%20800/337ce419.jpg
Burris 1-4x24 Xtreme in a LaRue mount.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u197/damnfineguy/22s%20-%20800dpi/IMG_0199a.jpg
Weaver V3 in a P.E.P.R. mount.

Scope Rankings (http://www.chuckhawks.com/recommended_riflescopes.htm)

kblack583
06-27-2012, 6:06 AM
I think the Burris XTR 1 x 4 would fit what you are looking for.

smittty
06-27-2012, 8:02 AM
Nikon recently released a new compact fixed 3x 223 scope. It's about $150.

Untamed1972
06-27-2012, 8:23 AM
The problem I've noticed with most tactical/combat oriented reticles is that the subtension is so great that you are not able to achieve the paper precision I want... Most optics designed for these guns seem to have a subtension of around 3 inches or more at 100 yards... I need the ability to aim with more precision than that.. I will give a budget of around $800 for the optic itself.. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated...

One must remember the intended purpose of a "combat/tactical" optic. It's purpose is fast aquisition of man-sized targets, not sub-moa competition/sniper accuracy. Higher magnification usually comes at the cost of slower target aquisition due to reduced FOV etc.

.300 Weatherby Mag
06-27-2012, 10:08 PM
One must remember the intended purpose of a "combat/tactical" optic. It's purpose is fast aquisition of man-sized targets, not sub-moa competition/sniper accuracy. Higher magnification usually comes at the cost of slower target aquisition due to reduced FOV etc.


I want reasonably quick milk jug acquisition with decent precision... I know whatever I do is a compromise...

kpinole
06-27-2012, 10:23 PM
Nikon recently released a new compact fixed 3x 223 scope. It's about $150.

This must be the one you are referring to, I definitely like the turrets....only issue I see is that it probably won't work w/ most QD mounts: http://www.opticsplanet.com/nikon-p-223-3x32-bdc-carbine-rifle-scope.html

Here's a good option for about $140 more w/ a "hunting"-like reticle: http://www.opticsplanet.com/nikon-1-4x20-matte-point-blank-riflescope.html

This Leupold one looks nice for $280: http://www.opticsplanet.com/leupold-1-4x20-mark-ar-duplex-riflescope-67170.html

Coyotegunner
06-28-2012, 5:36 AM
I have used the Leupold VX3 1-5s,Weaver 1-3s,plus a couple of red dot styles.My eyes are kind of old these days.I now use a the Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40 on the light model I have.Cabelas had them on sale for $399.The other light,my coyote rig has a Burris Signature 3-12 on it.It has knocked them down at 15 yds as well as 400.I use the Millet extra high AR rings.It gets my head position correct.The scope get used like a handle from time to time with these rings.They are light and have held zero for many years.The 3 gun shooters in my area run 3-9s with a C More mounted on the side next to the scope.

pinoy916
06-28-2012, 9:21 PM
Burris XTAC or even the MTAC

pinoy916
06-28-2012, 9:21 PM
Burris XTAC or even the MTAC