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Silent909
06-22-2012, 8:59 AM
Hey whats up people. Im new here, been looking,around, learned some stuff but cannot find an answer for my question. Im 20 looking forward to an AR build, but found out the oll receiver needs to be registered since its consisdered a pistol. Bad because I turn 21 in 2013. My question is, can I buy an oll with a fixed stock attached so I DONT have to have it registered???? I was planning to do that if possible then switch it out with a collapsable stock. Thanks

joe_gman
06-22-2012, 9:18 AM
As far as I know, all AR olls for sale as a stand alone part in Cali are considered long guns and thus DROSed as long guns. The ATF has the requirement that a buyer has to be 21 because the AR lower receiver is not a rifle or a shotgun. You will have to be 21 to buy a lower receiver even if it is a completed lower. You can however buy an entire AR rifle as long as you are over 17. Currently Cali only registers pistols, and the only way that I know of to have a AR pistol is to buy a complete build, or build off an 80% lower. Check out AR15.com for better answers.

You can have an older family member purchase and DROS the lower, let you build it into a full rifle, then PPT it to you.

Other Calgunners, please let me know if this is fud. I believe through my own research, that the information that I have presented is factual according to current law, but in no way am I an expert.

Eddy's Shooting Sports
06-22-2012, 9:18 AM
It's not considered a pistol, it is considered an "other", which triggers the 21yo requirement. If you read the 4473 instructions for question 18 it is pretty clear that a receiver, even with a stock attached, that is not a complete "rifle" is considered an "other" for the purpose of transfer.

I think your best bet is to buy a complete rifle. There are a lot of basic M4 type rifles to be had for well under $1K. Then you can customize it to suit your taste. Keep in mind a factory built rifle generally is covered under a warranty and some, such as Windham Weaponry, have lifetime warranties.

Akers
06-22-2012, 9:30 AM
If it is off-list and has to be registered as a pistol then you have to be 21 and have to be LEO or buy through a PPT that already has it registered as a Pistol.

Conversion's are a no-no

frankDmole
06-22-2012, 10:18 AM
Welcome to CalGuns.

GladiatorTactical
06-22-2012, 12:00 PM
Welcome to CalGuns.

Silent909
06-22-2012, 2:23 PM
Oh alright I understand. Thanks alot for the info ppl appreciate it and thanks for the welcome :)

.22guy
06-22-2012, 2:24 PM
Welcome to Calguns! :)

den888
06-22-2012, 6:01 PM
Welcome!

Wicked Pete
06-22-2012, 6:23 PM
Welcome!

Redchevyman
06-22-2012, 6:34 PM
You can buy a complete AR rifle starting at $550.

underworld
06-22-2012, 6:34 PM
You need a DROSed for it and you need to be 21.

Welcome to calguns!

Silent909
06-22-2012, 8:26 PM
Thanks for the welcoming :)

ElvenSoul
06-22-2012, 8:36 PM
Welcome to CalGuns! Search 80% Build.

DeanW66
06-23-2012, 12:52 AM
Welcome aboard!

fighterpilot562
06-23-2012, 6:36 AM
Welcome

h0use
06-23-2012, 10:29 AM
welcome

bsg
06-24-2012, 6:04 AM
welcome to the forum.

the big ravioli
06-24-2012, 6:17 AM
Welcome Aboard!!

Get yourself an 80% Lower and start working it out...

zod
06-24-2012, 9:35 AM
Welcome aboard.

SURVIVOR619
06-24-2012, 1:16 PM
Welcome to CalGuns! Search 80% Build.

Welcome and follow ElvenSoul's Rx!

Emt123
06-24-2012, 2:43 PM
My buddy picked up a complete AR for 800 out the door at the crossroads gun show in Ventura from gun runners which is in duarte CA. Jd lower Remington upper with a Chinese quad rail, eotech clone (junk) and magpul flip up front and rear sights and a grip pod. Gun works great. Here's gun runners # (626) 358-7711
Monrovia, CA

tonelar
06-24-2012, 3:50 PM
Gman's answer looks right to me. So being under 21 can a friend ppt the OLL to him or does it need to be a complete rifle?

Silent909
06-24-2012, 8:46 PM
My buddy picked up a complete AR for 800 out the door at the crossroads gun show in Ventura from gun runners which is in duarte CA. Jd lower Remington upper with a Chinese quad rail, eotech clone (junk) and magpul flip up front and rear sights and a grip pod. Gun works great. Here's gun runners # (626) 358-7711
Monrovia, CA

oh alright thanks Ill keep them in mind

Silent909
06-24-2012, 8:49 PM
thx for the welcome :) If i cant find a 80 percent build of my interest, Ill just buy a full rifle and sell the unwanted parts

joe_gman
06-24-2012, 9:15 PM
thx for the welcome :) If i cant find a 80 percent build of my interest, Ill just buy a full rifle and sell the unwanted parts

Unless you have machining experience with access to the proper CNC machine, I would avoid purchasing a 80% lower. I still recommend getting a Parent to purchase the lower and then IFT to you or just purchase an entire rifle.

IFT-"Intrafamilial transfer-‘Intra’ (means ‘within’) is different from ‘inter’ (means ‘between’).
California has some special rules for transferring firearms among certain family members. The Federal government has nothing similar.
For these rules, a family is parents, grandparents and children/grandchildren. Brothers, cousins, uncles, nephews, step parents and in-laws are NOT included.
Husbands and wives may also transfer firearms one to another under slightly different rules.
Intrafamilial transfers of firearms are exempt from using an FFL if the transfer is inside California. Federal law still requires interstate transfers to use an FFL.
Intrafamilial transfers of LONG GUNS are paperless. No record is required.
IF YOU CAN, GO GET THE HAND GUNS IN PERSON, and then file the form. While the Federal law exempts inheritors from using the FFL, commercial shippers will often feel bound not to ship to an unlicensed individual. See also Shipping Firearms Within California for a related discussion.
Intrafamilial transfers of HAND GUNS
require filing a form and paying a fee – one fee for all guns transferred at one time.
are exempt from the Roster (even if interstate)
are exempt from the ‘1 in 30 days’ rule are exempt from the requirement that the receiver be 21 years old (they must only be 18 years old for intrastate transfers, 21 for interstate)
While brother cannot use this rule to directly give a firearm to a brother or sister, there is a work-around. Brother1 can give the firearm to a parent; parent can then give the firearm to Brother2.
All transfers must be UP or DOWN, never SIDEWAYS.
Intrafamilial transfers of HAND GUNS from correctly related family members who live outside of California are one way to get hand guns which are not on the Roster." Calguns website.

DinoPJR
06-24-2012, 11:08 PM
You can buy a complete AR rifle starting at $550.

where? welcome OP

cebuvfr
06-24-2012, 11:12 PM
Welcome!

tonelar
06-24-2012, 11:18 PM
How about a stripped lower attached to a rifle upper? Could he DROS that as a long gun?

FX-05 Xiuhcoatl
06-25-2012, 7:25 AM
welcome to calguns

chozenfew805
06-26-2012, 7:11 AM
Welcome Aboard!:hurray: