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gixxnrocket
06-15-2012, 8:42 AM
Thursday evening MSNBC had a discussion regarding NY's Microstamping legislation. Kudos to S.E. for standing her ground.
Here's a link to the story:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/s-e-cupp-clashes-with-anti-gun-advocate-on-fiery-msnbc-panel/

If you can stand watching a msnbc dialogue, the video is attached to the article.

SanPedroShooter
06-15-2012, 8:58 AM
Here are a couple other threads on the same topic. My comments are in there.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=583993

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=584050

BobB35
06-15-2012, 9:17 AM
The easiest way to shut up anti gunners (and I don't understand why it isn't used more) is to throw their argument back at them and state if guns are so bad, why aren't they for disarming the govt and using only non lethal means for LEOs and the miltary. You will get a lot of stammering and so forth but they can't argue back, because in the end Anti-gun people and most liberals are anti-freedom, big govt statists who believe people need to be controlled through the use of force.

SanPedroShooter
06-15-2012, 9:24 AM
They did that in England....

Government has a monoply on legitimate (or otherwise) violence in almost every country in the world, minus ours.

Its sort of hard to hold all the cards if your enforcers are just bluffing.

Muscles Glasses
06-15-2012, 9:31 AM
WOW the brady president looked like he was about to cry for a minute there!

SanPedroShooter
06-15-2012, 9:39 AM
WOW the brady president looked like he was about to cry for a minute there!

This guy is off the deep end. He is way crazier than helmke was. Very rarely he will appear on a serious new program, not a free for all or a sideshow like cable news. Somewhere were people actually take turns talking, go back and forth, dont shout etc.. and he looks even crazier by comparison.

He seems sort of normal on TV. I heard him on Talk of the Nation once and his comments were followed by seconds of silence they were so hyperbolic and irrational sounding. The old sonofa***** that moderates that show didnt know quite how to handle him... He going 'oh.... um....oh... ah.... okay, yes but....'

Bhobbs
06-15-2012, 10:55 AM
She missed the obvious point that the microscopic markings would be easily removed with some common polishing compounds.

wildhawker
06-15-2012, 11:38 AM
I'm not interested in watching Dan Gross, but to watch S.E. Cupp?

Yes please.

-Brandon

putput
06-15-2012, 12:30 PM
Dan Gross: “No! Nobody says we have to ban guns. Show me one word that’s ever come out of my mouth or the mouth of the Brady, the Brady Campaign…”

http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/msassaultweapons/

POSITION: The Brady Campaign supports banning military-style semi-automatic assault weapons. These dangerous weapons have no sporting or civilian use and their only purpose it to kill many people in a short amount of time. We support legislation to ban all assault weapons.

Dan Gross
http://eb.gmnews.com/news/2004-08-12/Front_page/044.html

Dan Gross, the founder of PAX, recounted the story of how his brother was murdered in 1997 by a man wielding an assault rifle. PAX is an organization dedicated to educating the public about the dangers of gun violence.

"There will be more dead if this ban expires," he said, asking that "we don’t rest until we have done something about it."

Paul Helmke
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-helmke/atf-strong-gun-laws-neede_b_816640.html

“Worst of all, though, would be for the Obama Administration to pursue these cuts without pushing to implement strong, commonsense gun laws, such as those to ban large-capacity , assault weapons, and closing the gun show loophole.”

Dennis Henigan
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dennis-a-henigan/calderons-billboard-of-cr_b_1293918.html

“The solution to gun trafficking to Mexico is also the solution to gun trafficking within the U.S.: stronger federal gun laws. At the very least, high-firepower assault weapons and assault clips should be banned, background checks should be required for all gun sales, uniform limits should be placed on bulk sales of handguns, and greater authority should be given to federal law enforcement to shut down the dealers who aid and abet the traffickers.”

PS. I’d hit it.

GOEX FFF
06-15-2012, 1:08 PM
I'm not interested in watching Dan Gross, but to watch S.E. Cupp?

Yes please.

-Brandon

:iagree: :drool5:

http://frontpagemag.com/wp-content/themes/WpAdvNewspaper/includes/timthumb.php?src=http://frontpagemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/446px-SECupp-MG-1028-446x307.gif&h=250&w=375&zc=1

Wherryj
06-15-2012, 1:24 PM
Remington threatens to pull operations out of NY? God, I love Remington, and now I have even more reason.

Wherryj
06-15-2012, 1:30 PM
She did remarkably well, but why can't PMSNBC ask Alan Gura, Gene Hoffman, Mr. Kilmer/Michaels, etc. to the show?

It's hard to argue with real facts and someone trained at presenting them.

Wow, and did I miss them memo? Brady is no longer anti-gun? When did H3LL freeze over?

safewaysecurity
06-15-2012, 1:32 PM
She wasn't prepared but did ok.

sn8kedoc
06-15-2012, 1:52 PM
i have seen S.E Cupp on Bill maher before and is it me or does she resemble porn star kristina rose...

gixxnrocket
06-15-2012, 2:28 PM
i have seen S.E Cupp on Bill maher before and is it me or does she resemble porn star kristina rose...

close but no. However, it is very nice to see a media figure that is conservative that doesn't look like a 80yo out of touch woman or a middle aged hag. I would think especially in this forum there would be more applaud for her stance as well as appeal to consumers. I wish more attractive conservatives could come out of the closet with out the battering of politics as well as "porn star" look alikes from both sides.

IMO the microstamping is a joke, and like every other piece of "Gun Control" legislation it will only burden the law-abiding while further empowering criminals.

Lugiahua
06-15-2012, 2:29 PM
I am wondering
according to Brady
POSITION: The Brady Campaign supports banning military-style semi-automatic assault weapons. These dangerous weapons have no sporting or civilian use and their only purpose it to kill many people in a short amount of time. We support legislation to ban all assault weapons.

ah, do they even know the history of ARs? It began as a civilian hunting/sport rifle in the 60s,
so do M700, M9, MK25, M1014, M590A1 and many other small arms in US military.
5.56 was a development from civilian cartridge .223.

Based on their own position, they should have no standing against ARs.

furthermore, according to FBI, only the vast minority murder involved with "military style" rifle (I think it's less than 5%). How is it even posed significant danger to the society at all?

ronbwolf
06-15-2012, 7:55 PM
The owner of the patent for the technology used in microstamping , is also the lobbyist pushing this, he stands to make millions if it becomes law, and any manufacturer complies. This buffoonery makes absolutely no sense. The depth of the "microstamping" device will not stand up to use. It only affects "new" guns, making older firearms more valuable to thieves. And finally, in 30 years in Ca. Law Enforcement, I NEVER solved a case by tracking ANYTHING to do with firearms, not ballistically, not fingerprints, nothing. All of the "reasonable" legislation proposed is about CONTROL, not about guns!

Apocalypsenerd
06-15-2012, 8:56 PM
I would bet money that if you could see into the back rooms of the anti-gun crowd, you would see that microstamping to them is part of their creep to a ban.

Microstamping, even if the technology becomes viable, would work MUCH more effectively if all guns were registered. Confiscation would work MUCH more effectively, if all guns were registered.

I imagine the playbook goes something like this: 1) Introduce microstamping to help catch criminals. 2) Complain that more cases would be solved if more guns were registered. 3) Introduce a national registry. 4) Complain that more people would be alive if guns weren't in the hands of citizens. 5) Enact a ban on weapons. 6) Confiscate using the registry.

AggregatVier
06-16-2012, 8:10 PM
I thought the best response in the MSNBC threads was a simple question: "If microstamping is so effective and foolproof, why not allow everyone with a so equipped pistol to carry concealed?"

Cearbhall
06-16-2012, 10:30 PM
How long after microstamping is implemented would it then be a "felony" to let it wear off or install an "unregistered" firing pin? They could treat it as if you ground off the serial numbers. That's my worry about it. I have yet to see this discussed anywhere.

safewaysecurity
06-16-2012, 10:44 PM
How long after microstamping is implemented would it then be a "felony" to let it wear off or install an "unregistered" firing pin? They could treat it as if you ground off the serial numbers. That's my worry about it. I have yet to see this discussed anywhere.

Firing pins would probably be treated like lightning links.

Casey
06-17-2012, 7:45 AM
Those talking heads illustrate how people with no skin in the game think that these kind of regulations are quite "reasonable" and can not understand the resistance by gun owners. The "gun lobby" aka the NRA and gun makers are then vilified as completely unreasonable on any kind of regulation. The argument goes downhill from there every time. When these goofs say " reasonable" on this issue it could easily be pointed out how usless this would actually be in practice since there are millions of gun in circulation without the technology, how easily the scheme is circumvented with a file or sandpaper, how leaving spent cases on the ground would give criminals a way to frame an innocent party ....and on and on .
Better yet point out how people with absolutely no experience with firearms with nothing to lose feel compelled to regulate something they have virtually no real world understanding of.