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chead
06-12-2012, 10:03 AM
The situation is similar to Franklin's XO-26: A non-pistol, non-rifle, non-AOW "firearm" as described in this approval letter from the ATF:

http://www.franklinarmory.com/XO-26_Letter__c_.pdf

My AMD-65 "pistol" as configured is over 26" and obviously has no stock. I can't see any reason I couldn't add the traditional AMD-65 forward pistol grip, since in this case it wouldn't become an AOW. Thoughts?

chead
06-12-2012, 10:05 AM
For rererence, Franklin's XO-26:

http://i.imgur.com/MQ8qVl.jpg

And my AMD-65 pistol, sans forward pistol grip. It now has a sling plate that extends the OAL to over 26":

http://i.imgur.com/QDzYXl.png

laabstract
06-12-2012, 10:07 AM
Nice AMD!

chead
06-12-2012, 10:16 AM
Nice AMD!

Thanks! AK Team build party made it happen :)

Arkangel
06-12-2012, 11:21 AM
With the OAL greater than 26" you can have a VFG, making it a title one firearm.

chead
06-12-2012, 11:25 AM
Nice, that's what I thought but I want to be real sure before I trifle with the NFA :)

kris smith
06-12-2012, 11:51 AM
So I can have a vfg on an ar/ak pistol as long as te OAL is >26"

chead
06-12-2012, 11:53 AM
So says the ATF. I'd carry the letter with me.

MrPlink
06-12-2012, 12:06 PM
Why bother with a letter? (if you want it to matter you better get your own btw) there is no Ca law against it nor fed law either.
by fed law it is not a pistol, hence vfg is gtg.

gun toting monkeyboy
06-12-2012, 12:13 PM
Why bother with a letter? (if you want it to matter you better get your own btw) there is no Ca law against it nor fed law either.
by fed law it is not a pistol, hence vfg is gtg.

While that is certainly true, it has only been about a year since the ATF came out with that ruling. Do you think it is better to be right and count on every cop to know about it? Or would it be wiser to carry a copy of the letter in your range bag so that you can sort things out then and there? I am of the opinion that it is better to have the letter and not need it. I have no problem dragging it out if I am ever faced with a cop wanting to play games with the laws he knows nothing about. Far better to give him something in writing than to try to argue with him.

-Mb

boamedt
06-12-2012, 1:06 PM
I have the same pistol and was wondering the same thing, what sling plate r u using

chead
06-12-2012, 1:10 PM
I have the same pistol and was wondering the same thing, what sling plate r u using

E93 V1

laabstract
06-12-2012, 1:13 PM
Cant wait to do a build party, to bad they are all booked up.

boamedt
06-12-2012, 1:20 PM
Nice I will order one, I was trying to think of something I could put on there to give it more oal so I could put a vfg on their

chead
06-12-2012, 2:13 PM
Nice I will order one, I was trying to think of something I could put on there to give it more oal so I could put a vfg on their

The only bummer about the E93 site is I don't think it lists the length it actually adds. I can break out a ruler when I get home tonight. With the AMD brake and the sling plate it should be a hair over 26".

MrPlink
06-12-2012, 2:50 PM
While that is certainly true, it has only been about a year since the ATF came out with that ruling.

NFA and GCA are a lot older than 1 year.

If you think Franklin arms broke new ground with their Xo-26, do some homework, it is not the first of its kind.

franklinarmory
06-13-2012, 8:44 AM
NFA and GCA are a lot older than 1 year.

If you think Franklin arms broke new ground with their Xo-26, do some homework, it is not the first of its kind.

True. The 1927A5 Thompson was approved by ATF in 1976. ...but if it were me, I'd be sure to keep a copy in my range bag just to be sure, even if the firearm was not made by Franklin Armory.