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Jubz
06-10-2012, 9:23 AM
I'm a strong left-eye dominant right hand shooter now getting into skeet. Can't switch over to my left shoulder due to shoulder issues. Have been researching cross-dominance with shotgun shooting. Sure I can do the Magic Dot approach or the "blink/wink" method, but wanting to use all of both eyes opened.

I'm looking for f/b from shotgun folks with strong L-eye cross dominance who have tried using either one of the below hardware approaches.

Vari-Brite-Site 3 Crossfire Eliminator
http://www.meadowindustries.com/sights.html

Redring Sights
http://www.redringusa.com/

I have a Vortex Viper 1-4x24 scope on my AR-15 and the illuminated red ring is easily picked up by my weak R-eye with both eyes open, so I'm thinking the Redring above for shotguns would work, though for $900.

Folks with the Vari-Brite or EasyHit front site (http://easyhit.com/page3/page3.html), did this work out for you?

Thanks

runway1
06-10-2012, 10:08 AM
If it's skeet you're going to try - forget the sights, you don't use them. You should attend Coach's class in the posts from bjl333. He's d'man. Out of Triple Bs, El Monte.

Forget the sights. Grab your gun - go See Coach.

BigFatGuy
06-10-2012, 10:13 AM
I have seen a man who is 100% "cross eye dominant" (ie: he only has one eye that works, and it's the wrong side) shoot skeet just fine without any sights. In fact, I'm pretty sure he's won tournaments with that situation.

You'll have a disadvantage at first, no doubt, but practice will prevail.

Thefeeder
06-10-2012, 11:01 AM
Neither sight will help.

You have find a way to stop the eyes from dueling with each other.

Runway has it right......see a coach. It will be cheaper than spending money on sights, shells, range time.

BigFatGuy
06-10-2012, 11:16 AM
Coach Z (the coach Runway mentions) helped my cross-eye-dominant wife go from never touching a shotgun before to breaking clays by lunchtime.

Jubz
06-10-2012, 11:50 AM
Been to 2 of the clinics with Coach Z, and signed up for some more at L2, and I know it's about pointing and not aiming. But with a strong cross-dominant eye, while keeping both eyes open the lead becomes off when tracking clays going across. Did OK when I used the "blink/wink" method, but wanting to keep both eyes open all of the time.

I was thinking that having a glowbead/redring would keep the proper peripheral reference in the weak eye while keeping both eyes open and tracking clays. Looking forward to f/b from folks who've tried this successfully or not.

SilentPea
06-10-2012, 12:01 PM
Another thing to think about is one of those weird left eye ribs...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/foghorn220/products/SideRib1.jpg (http://www.trapshooters.com/cfpages/thread_archive.cfm?threadid=179988&Messages=12)
Click pic for a link to discussion.

Personally, I think the red-ring approach would be easiest. You might even consider one of the cheapish multi-reticule holo sights for something similar. If you decide it works for you, you can move the tester sight to your .22 or airgun (or sell it) and upgrade to the real thing.

Jubz
06-10-2012, 12:09 PM
Wow, pretty crazy looking rib there!

runway1
06-10-2012, 12:19 PM
Go here:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=329160&highlight=bjl333

Coach Don Ziegler, with bjl333 coordinator. Cost very little and you'll get ten times the value.

Jubz
06-10-2012, 12:29 PM
Go here:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=329160&highlight=bjl333

Coach Don Ziegler, with bjl333 coordinator. Cost very little and you'll get ten times the value.

Thanks for the link, but I'm already familiar with it and have gone to 2 clinics and signed up for 2 more at level 2. His and Captain Dick's solution is the chapstick a small spot on the cross-dominant eye lens approach, which is similar to the Magic Dot approach. I'm looking for other alternatives and f/b from folks who've tried those.

Captain Dick
06-10-2012, 3:45 PM
The Red dot sight and the colored bead will just make you check your barrel more and will not work. You can achieve the same thing as the offset rib with a crossover stock and in my opinion the crossover stock would be much better since you would still only have one "barrel" to see in your peripheral vision.

My best advise for the experience level your at would be, for now, continue to use some kind of patch until you have the fundamentals down more solidly. Then try both eyes unpatched. You can learn to shoot cross eye dominant, it can be done, but it"s harder, usually much harder.

If you can not shoot left handed, and will not wear an eye patch, you will most likley have to learn to shoot cross eye dominant, or get a crossover stock.

Some people say you can train the non-dominant eye to take over, I haven't seen it, maybe they have, I kind of doubt it, but who knows.

Somebody fill in if I left something out.

MA5177
06-10-2012, 6:17 PM
Right hand shooter left eye dominant here.. Took the skeet clinic and couldn't hit anything the way they wanted me to shoot. They said to close left eye, knowing I was left eye dominant I decided on my own to just open both eyes and watch the bird. Well I started hitting them, coach said no way I am left eye dominant.... Hmmm so while both eyes open lookin down the barrell of a shotgun I realized he was right and my righ eye was taking over with both eyes open???. Must be from years of rifle shooting I don't know but that Is what is happening with me. I now shoot both eyes open and it works well for me. Pistol I still look through the left eye.

mikey357
06-10-2012, 7:21 PM
If the above solutions dont work. You can have a crossover stock made for you.

http://www.billhanusbirdguns.com/archive16.html

BigDogatPlay
06-10-2012, 8:00 PM
If you are truly cross dominant, and have confirmed it with an instructor, glazing the left lens (I most often use opaque scotch tape with folks I teach) to train the right eye to focus on the bird is likely the quickest and easiest solution.

TheHammerOfTruth
06-11-2012, 12:00 AM
Keep your "eyes" open. Dominant eye is not an issue in clay shooting if you have them both open. Focus, focus, focus. All coaches will repeat the same thing. You cant get good focus with one eye shut. Plus, it is a serious handicap trying to shoot sporting clays with one eye shut. I have shot many tournaments with many ranked shooters, and cant think of one who closes an eye.

Sicarius
06-11-2012, 1:18 AM
Try a fiber optic front sight. It will give a point of reference for your right eye. I too am left eye dominant and shoot right handed with my nearsighted right eye(left eye is just fine...)
Same thing applies for red dots. I use an aimpoint because the eotech is distracting for my weak eye.
Kevin