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southbayrookie
06-07-2012, 4:02 PM
wanted to find out if AK M70 (zastava) is good to get.


any cons or pros against: tantal or wasr 10?

69Mach1
06-07-2012, 4:02 PM
yes. Hell yes.

Mitchell Arms version is banned though.

southbayrookie
06-07-2012, 4:10 PM
is it as close as you can get to russian ak or better get converted saiga? also, why mitchell arms banned?

69Mach1
06-07-2012, 4:13 PM
If you're referring to the new imported ones, they are made in Serbia. Very nice quality.

Michell Arms is a listed CA assault weapon. Those were importing in the 80's.

southbayrookie
06-07-2012, 4:54 PM
yep, new imported ones.... phew thought it might be banned :)


so this is better than tantal?

69Mach1
06-07-2012, 4:54 PM
Different, not better, not worse.

Richard Erichsen
06-07-2012, 7:32 PM
wanted to find out if AK M70 (zastava) is good to get.

any cons or pros against: tantal or wasr 10?

One of the better built (if not overbuilt) AKs out there. The Tantal is also well built, but in a different class based on the caliber and mass. Between the two 7.62x39 mm rifles, the M70 is the one I'd select.

The M70B2/AB2 models (fixed and folding stock, respectively) have a lot of Yugo specific features not found on other AKs. They are not entirely AKM compatible, with several parts unique to this class of AKs. I did a write up on this not long ago. You can find it here: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=563160&highlight=M70+PAP

The Polish OBR Tantal is also a great rifle, but in 5.45x39 mm. It is presently cheaper to shoot (assuming all milsurp) and a great addition if you don't already have an AK74 class weapon. Tantal deviates from the AK74 in a number of ways, having certain backward compatibility in parts to the older AKM, though all the important parts (the action) are AK74. I'm building one of these in the near future having gotten all my parts but the rear sight base.

If you'd prefer to buy up a lot of ammo for more range fun, the WASR 10 will be cheaper than either of the above rifles (though the ammo will add up given the delta between 5.45x39 and 7.62x39), whether building or buying. They are rougher and ruder but they are the consumate AKM and you can't go wrong just buying up ammo by the crate with the money you save on AK-snobbery some of us suffer from.

R

ZX-10R
06-08-2012, 2:42 PM
Yes. A Saiga does not compare really.

WTSGDYBBR
06-08-2012, 2:44 PM
If you plan to get one in a kit form make sure the barrel is good most of all of them seen action in the balkans war

Richard Erichsen
06-08-2012, 2:50 PM
Even many of the "dark bore" surplus models have plenty of life in them, but are in need of good electrolytic cleaning to knock the crud out.

New barrels from AK-Builder or Green Mountain are just fine too and available in either plain or chrome lined.

R

REDdawn6
06-08-2012, 4:19 PM
I just DROS`d a Zastav P.A.P at D.A.S. it is the civilian version. not sure if they are on their website but you can google Zastava PAP

zfields
06-08-2012, 4:43 PM
Is the PAP a single stack still, or am I thinking different model.

artoaster
06-08-2012, 5:25 PM
http://i1079.photobucket.com/albums/w515/artoaster/Ak47-COLD-WAR-BLACK-2.jpg



AK47 Cold War Rifle Black Poly
Product Specifications :

Base rifle imported from Russia's Izmash Arsenal

Russian Markings

16 Inch chrome lined threaded barrel with removable brake

G-2 Fire Control

Black Poly Stock Set by Arsenal / Kvar

1 -30 round mag

1 Year limited factory warranty

This, to me, looks like a good AK. Price is a little more at $739 but if it buys some real piece of mind then I like it.

zfields
06-08-2012, 5:51 PM
http://i1079.photobucket.com/albums/w515/artoaster/Ak47-COLD-WAR-BLACK-2.jpg



AK47 Cold War Rifle Black Poly
Product Specifications :

Base rifle imported from Russia's Izmash Arsenal

Russian Markings

16 Inch chrome lined threaded barrel with removable brake

G-2 Fire Control

Black Poly Stock Set by Arsenal / Kvar

1 -30 round mag

1 Year limited factory warranty

This, to me, looks like a good AK. Price is a little more at $739 but if it buys some real piece of mind then I like it.


Just another converted Saiga...

artoaster
06-08-2012, 6:27 PM
Yes, but I guess the fun is doing it yourself, although little, if any, cost savings after all the buying, ordering, and shipping charges.