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wuluf
06-06-2012, 12:11 PM
I've been re-redistricted! I am now represented in Congress by Dan Lungren. He's not nearly conservative enough for me ( only a B+ rating by the NRA, for instance) but he's light years better than Doris Matsui who was my representative previously. I was surprised and pleased on election day when i discovered the change! Any comments on Lungren?

pdq_wizzard
06-06-2012, 12:14 PM
He is against ccw resaprosity :mad::confused:

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cvc04
06-06-2012, 12:38 PM
I've been re-redistricted! I am now represented in Congress by Dan Lungren. He's not nearly conservative enough for me ( only a B+ rating by the NRA, for instance) but he's light years better than Doris Matsui who was my representative previously. I was surprised and pleased on election day when i discovered the change! Any comments on Lungren?

Lucky you. I have been redistricted to Maxine Waters district. Oh well. Janice Hahn or Maxine Waters, makes no difference, they both vote the same on gun rights.

huntercf
06-06-2012, 12:39 PM
Isn't Dan a RINO and he doesn't support the 2A too much?

sholling
06-06-2012, 12:41 PM
Gun-Ban Dan was one of the drivers behind California's scary looking gun ban. How that fanatical anti-2nd Amendment statist managed to get a rating above "D" is beyond me but he's a rabidly anti-2nd Amendment.

clutchy
06-06-2012, 12:42 PM
resaprosity

reciprocity

sholling
06-06-2012, 12:43 PM
Lucky you. I have been redistricted to Maxine Waters district. Oh well. Janice Hahn or Maxine Waters, makes no difference, they both vote the same on gun rights.

God what a choice - dumb as a basket of fresh steaming cow turds or socialist with a record of steering public money and bank bailouts to family.

cvc04
06-06-2012, 1:08 PM
God what a choice - dumb as a basket of fresh steaming cow turds or socialist with a record of steering public money and bank bailouts to family.

LOL. Spot on.

HowardW56
06-06-2012, 1:36 PM
Lucky you. I have been redistricted to Maxine Waters district. Oh well. Janice Hahn or Maxine Waters, makes no difference, they both vote the same on gun rights.

Same here...

Maxine Waters, I don't know if we could have gotten anyone worse...

mtptwo
06-06-2012, 2:37 PM
Dan is scum, not to mention that BS on ccw resaprosity.

1JimMarch
06-06-2012, 2:40 PM
Ah, how soon people forget.

Dan Lungren is utter scum on every level. He also helped the Sheriffs of Sacramento County in their war against Police Chief Eugene Byrd of Isleton back before 1998 when police chiefs could (in theory) issue CCW to anybody in their county. Byrd set up a "permit mill" operation, with trainers all over the county and otherwise doing everything right in a shall-issue fashion. This took money away from the Sacto sheriffs who were selling permits under the table for big bucks. Byrd's fairly priced permits were a threat.

Dan Lungren as state AG joined the war against Byrd, doing all sorts of horrible and illegal things to him and his permit process. BS investigations, freezing his background checks, etc.

In the 1998 governor's race it was Gray Davis vs. Lungren. The California NRA sat that one out. NRA HQ in Fairfax VA wanted us to jump in on Lungren's side for his "pro-life" stance. The California NRA Member's Councils system revolted in disgust and this led to a bunch of "Christian Conservative" types being de-loused in Fairfax.

Upshot: Lungren isn't just anti-RKBA, he's pro-corruption. I'd rather have an honest yet anti-RKBA Democrat in there instead.

pdq_wizzard
06-06-2012, 2:42 PM
reciprocity

whatever, I was on my phone :confused:

SWalt
06-06-2012, 2:48 PM
Same here...

Maxine Waters, I don't know if we could have gotten anyone worse...

You guys got it wrong. Think of it this way.....now as a legitimate constituent, you can now call her office and demand as a voter in her district that she support your 2A rights. I'd make it a monthly thing.

SilverTauron
06-06-2012, 3:01 PM
"California's gun laws are too liberal.....if HR822 passes, im afraid the California Legislature will have no choice but to rescind state concealed carry entirely."

-Dan Lungren on the House Floor, during the debate on HR822.

bwiese
06-06-2012, 3:06 PM
Ah, how soon people forget.
In the 1998 governor's race it was Gray Davis vs. Lungren. The California NRA sat that one out. NRA HQ in Fairfax VA wanted us to jump in on Lungren's side for his "pro-life" stance. The California NRA Member's Councils system revolted in disgust and this led to a bunch of "Christian Conservative" types being de-loused in Fairfax.



And that led to further changes in 2002 in Reno.

Dr Rockso
06-06-2012, 3:08 PM
If he didn't have a letter "R" after his name, gun ban Dan would probably have a C- at best.

wuluf
06-06-2012, 4:03 PM
Wow, still better than Matsui but not by much. Maybe somone better will come along and unseat him, or I'll move to McClintocks district!

bwiese
06-06-2012, 4:33 PM
If he didn't have a letter "R" after his name, gun ban Dan would probably have a C- at best.

No - more likely given he was running against Dr. Amr Beria, who is a "gun rights are a disease" public health type - and whom Lungren is indeed better than.

Please trust me that the CA NRA team is not at all enamored of Lungren.

Fortunately, Lungren nor opponents can do much damage to our Federal stance.

Our fight is in Sacramento.

mag360
06-06-2012, 4:44 PM
I'm so irritated with Lundgren I'm considering helping Bera and sending an open letter to ol Gun Ban Dan explaining why.

hawk1
06-06-2012, 4:45 PM
reciprocity...http://www.bananabeltgardening.com/bb/Smileys/default/th_teacher.gif

Dr Rockso
06-06-2012, 5:12 PM
No - more likely given he was running against Dr. Amr Beria, who is a "gun rights are a disease" public health type - and whom Lungren is indeed better than.

Still, the grading system should be applied as objectively as possible, and the fact that Dan Lungren got a B+ is evidence that it isn't being so applied. If Ami Bera deserved a F he should have received a F, but giving Lungren a B+ as a measure of his relative desirability isn't consistent with the purpose of a presumably objective grading system.

Regardless of whether the NRA's rationale was partisan or not, giving anti-gun Republicans like Lungren a higher grade than they merit sure looks partisan from the outside.

wireless
06-06-2012, 5:20 PM
"California's gun laws are too liberal.....if HR822 passes, im afraid the California Legislature will have no choice but to rescind state concealed carry entirely."

-Dan Lungren on the House Floor, during the debate on HR822.



Too bad for him AZ and FL permits are still obtainable by CA residents.

littlejake
06-06-2012, 5:22 PM
You guys got it wrong. Think of it this way.....now as a legitimate constituent, you can now call her office and demand as a voter in her district that she support your 2A rights. I'd make it a monthly thing.

:rofl2:

NotEnufGarage
06-06-2012, 9:09 PM
I live in his district, too. It's kind of disheartening to live in the district of the only US political official who has ever confiscated legally owned firearms from the people.

He does have regular community outreach events and I go to them Go, and whenever possible hammer him with questions about 2A, self-defense and similar topics.

Jerkdog
06-06-2012, 9:20 PM
Fortunately, Lungren nor opponents can do much damage to our Federal stance.

Our fight is in Sacramento.

Keep up the good fight.

I'm not a fan of Mr. Lungren. I happened to be attending a City Council meeting in Rancho Cordova trying desperately to get a project approved and he "popped" in and the Council "recessed" for 2 hours and left all of us just sitting in the chambers wondering what was going on until they came back. No word on what the deal was, what has happening, when they expected to reconvene. Nothing. He sauntered out of the chambers with a giant sh@t eating grin, didn't stop to say hi to any of his constituents and headed out the door.

GOEX FFF
06-07-2012, 1:13 AM
<snip>It's kind of disheartening to live in the district of the only US political official who has ever confiscated legally owned firearms from the people.<snip>

Yep. Gun Ban Dan was responsible for the ban and statewide confiscation of SKS's with detachable magazines in 1989.

http://www.nrawinningteam.com/states/Lindex.html

That "present" you got, OP contains a lot of coal.

Gray Peterson
06-07-2012, 1:29 AM
"California's gun laws are too liberal.....if HR822 passes, im afraid the California Legislature will have no choice but to rescind state concealed carry entirely."

-Dan Lungren on the House Floor, during the debate on HR822.

And this is the evidence that you keep using saying that the Legislature will just ban all carry if reciprocity is passed, a man who hasn't served in the California State Legislature, ever.

ArcherDog
06-07-2012, 11:20 AM
Still, the grading system should be applied as objectively as possible, and the fact that Dan Lungren got a B+ is evidence that it isn't being so applied. If Ami Bera deserved a F he should have received a F, but giving Lungren a B+ as a measure of his relative desirability isn't consistent with the purpose of a presumably objective grading system.

Regardless of whether the NRA's rationale was partisan or not, giving anti-gun Republicans like Lungren a higher grade than they merit sure looks partisan from the outside.

This

I'd love to hear the justification behind the high grade. Anything higher than an F should be an insult to every gun owner who has 2 brain cells to rub together.

Satex
06-07-2012, 11:56 AM
You people are silly. You want to be a conservative voter in a liberal district. That's the only way to have a chance to swing a district to the other side. Being a conservative voter in a conservative district is useless as it does nothing to change the overall balance.

bwiese
06-07-2012, 12:11 PM
You people are silly. You want to be a conservative voter in a liberal district. That's the only way to have a chance to swing a district to the other side. Being a conservative voter in a conservative district is useless as it does nothing to change the overall balance.

True.

Would be nice to resettle returning troops in apt complexes in swing zipcodes.

lgv800r
06-07-2012, 3:19 PM
I got redistricted from CA-2 to CA-3
Herger to what I'm sure will be Garamendi.. oh great!!

SilverTauron
06-07-2012, 3:22 PM
And this is the evidence that you keep using saying that the Legislature will just ban all carry if reciprocity is passed, a man who hasn't served in the California State Legislature, ever.

Not today.

I was just quoting the man. Something for the OP to think about lest he believe he has a rep who cares about the Constitution.

taperxz
06-07-2012, 3:36 PM
True.

Would be nice to resettle returning troops in apt complexes in swing zipcodes.

Chicago politics, where dead people still vote.;)

wuluf
06-07-2012, 8:03 PM
Thanks for the info on Lungren. Matsui was appointed to the position when her husband died, and continues to be reelected because of her single qualification, her last name. She consistently voted along party lines ie: however Pelosi told her to vote. I hoped Lungren would be trading up...

redhead
06-07-2012, 10:29 PM
I went from Garamendi's district to George Miller's. No improvement whatsoever.

Meplat
06-08-2012, 12:07 AM
This

I'd love to hear the justification behind the high grade. Anything higher than an F should be an insult to every gun owner who has 2 brain cells to rub together.

While NRAís ratings often seem unfathomable at first glance, there is actually political rhyme and reason to the process. It helps to understand that the process heavily favors both incumbents and perceived winners. While that is not a recipe for change it is a recipe for influence. An example would be that Libertarians are almost 100% strong backers of the second amendment, as well as all other human and civil rights. Libertarians are also almost 100% guaranteed to lose.

Those are just a couple of the political (not partisan, political) considerations that go into NRAís scoring. There are more, probably many more, that I donít understand, and never even considered, because Iím not a savvy political animal. And Iím sure that some of it is based on the fact that the entrenched NRA leadership are inside the beltway conservatives and probably have more personal bias than even they themselves realize.

Do I understand how the sausage is made? Some of it, but not all. Does it sometimes make me so mad I could spit? Yes! Is it a reason to toss NRA overboard, or air our dirty laundry in public? NO! At some point you just have to except the fact that NRA is like a member of the opposite sex; there are some things you will never understand about them, sometimes itís damn hard to live with them, but we canít survive without them. ;)

Write Winger
06-08-2012, 8:02 AM
Then there's always this to consider:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=509911