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seainc
06-05-2012, 9:40 PM
My feeling is NO just want to confirm with you guys. Thanks

MrPlink
06-05-2012, 9:45 PM
This is primarily an issue of fed law.

in the strictest sense of the definition of AR pistol, no.

If said pistol is registered and has the correct tax stamp with the NFA as an AOW, then yes.

OR

If the length of your pistol is OVER 26inches, then yes.
By the fed definition, this makes your AR a Title 1 "other" long arm, still a pistol in Ca law.

Quiet
06-05-2012, 10:37 PM
This is primarily an issue of fed law.

in the strictest sense of the definition of AR pistol, no.

If said pistol is registered and has the correct tax stamp with the NFA as an AOW, then yes.

OR

If the length of your pistol is OVER 26inches, then yes.
By the fed definition, this makes your AR a Title 1 "other" long arm, still a pistol in Ca law.

:iagree:

Capita159
06-05-2012, 11:01 PM
Doesn't it depend on the length of the barrel? If it's a short pistol barrel with a grip-pod, I think that will be classify as a "AOW", Any Other Weapon.

The Virus
06-05-2012, 11:06 PM
You asked if you can shoot it, with a grip pod attached.
It should not affect the guns ability to operate properly.

that guy
06-05-2012, 11:33 PM
If it is more than 26.3" like the Franklin Armory "pistol" and the "pistol" with a similar set up in the following posts then it is a Title 1 Fire Arm under federal law, but a pistol under California law. This configuration is kosher with the grippod.


Only pistol with VFG that has a letter from ATF that stating it is not an AOW, is Franklin' Armory's AR pistol.

http://www.franklinarmory.com/files/products/XO-26_800x280.jpg

http://www.franklinarmory.com/PRODUCTS_XO-26.html

Here is the letter http://www.franklinarmory.com/XO-26_Letter__c_.pdf

According to letter its OAL length of 26.3 inches and 10.5 inch barrel, it can not be concealed thus not an AOW.



on the distinctions between the various flavors of firearms...

Title I is an ordinary, unrestricted firearm, just like your 10/22 or your AR. We call it a Title I Firearm because of the classification of this gun by the ATF. As far as they are concerned, with an OAL of more than 26", this is not a pistol, but without a butt stock, it is obviously not a rifle. So what is it? It's not an AOW. So on the 4473, it is an "other" aka a "Title I Firearm".

As far as California is concerned, it is a pistol and it was SSE transferred with a zero round sled. I know, it's confusing, isn't it?

I salute Franklin Armory, who with their XO-26, received the ATF ruling that clarified this. I carry a copy of the ATF letter in this gun's case but it is encouraging, the range I shoot at sells the XO-26 and has one in their gun rental stock so seeing this gun at the range is becoming less and less of a novelty. This is the closes you can get to an SBR in California and while not as good, it is decent substitute.


http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w489/capybara84/ART1Full.jpg

I hope this clarifies things.

Arkangel
06-06-2012, 12:19 AM
This is primarily an issue of fed law.

in the strictest sense of the definition of AR pistol, no.

If said pistol is registered and has the correct tax stamp with the NFA as an AOW, then yes.

OR

If the length of your pistol is OVER 26inches, then yes.
By the fed definition, this makes your AR a Title 1 "other" long arm, still a pistol in Ca law.

Mr. Plink nailed it.