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CK_32
06-05-2012, 4:41 PM
So I'm in day 2 of my 10 days of picking up my 870 from rifle gear.

On finish of the paper work he asked if I had or wanted to purchase a gun lock or had a safe and I said I had a safe expecting that was the end of it and he asked me for info on the safe upon pick up.....

What exactly do I need to show them proof to them to be able to take the gun home. I don't have a receipt or anything what do I need to give them to walk out with it that day. I'm already waiting 11 days cause of work. Not sure if I can do 12.

xpbprox
06-05-2012, 4:45 PM
Just have to write the make a model on a paper they'll provide


I did one for my rifle a couple years ago but recently I went with someone to get theirs and they didn't ask anything about a safe

paul0660
06-05-2012, 4:51 PM
http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/pdfs/firearms/forms/gsaff.pdf

Make and model only is good if it is on this list: http://safetydevice.doj.ca.gov/dsearch2.asp

Otherwise you fill out the top part and say scouts honor that your safe is adequate.

CK_32
06-05-2012, 4:51 PM
Yea he didn't give me a paper just told me bring info of the safe when I go in and get it and didn't know if they needed a serial or a receipt or just basic info or what have you. My buddy said usually they just ask and leave it be.

Really caught me off guard

Kinsel83
06-05-2012, 5:01 PM
Sometimes they ask and other times they don't. I always say I have a safe, which I do. Never had to 'prove' it.

Ar_Glock_Man
06-05-2012, 5:01 PM
just sign the paper they will provide and check afew bow stating that is safe and can handle housing firearm, blah ,blah ,blah, and such sometime they dont ask you is because the firearm being picked up will come with a lock provided by gun company.

Ar_Glock_Man
06-05-2012, 5:02 PM
they will need name of safe and model number sign check some boxes and date. thats all to it no biggie.

ysr_racer
06-05-2012, 5:10 PM
These guys are all wrong.

You need to unbolt your safe and bring it in with you as proof :)

xpbprox
06-05-2012, 5:12 PM
These guys are all wrong.

You need to unbolt your safe and bring it in with you as proof :)

:fud::fud::fud::fud:

haha:43: I can see someone actually doing that

Arson
06-05-2012, 5:24 PM
Get a receipt saying you bought X amount of gun locks and have a friend sign it. Done!

CK_32
06-05-2012, 5:30 PM
Yea I was going to bring that just in case with a case and my lock I got with my glock and see if that could work like it did when I bought my AR from them just showed I bought a lock from then like 5 days or less hand written note with his signature.

I still don't understand why does it have to be a brand new lock? Why can't an older one work that's in functioning condition.

I was just wondering because I didn't want to wait any longer than I have to.

TacticalPlinker
06-05-2012, 5:40 PM
You're buying an 870 correct? Is it new? Remington includes a trigger lock in the box with the 870 so you shouldn't need to buy a new lock or show proof of a safe.

CK_32
06-05-2012, 5:45 PM
No used off a buddy. No lock included

RudyN
06-05-2012, 8:26 PM
All you need is the model and seirlal number for the safe and that will work for long guns.

CK_32
06-05-2012, 10:12 PM
Where is the serial number?

Capybara
06-06-2012, 6:38 AM
There is a freaking safe roster? My safe (Sun Valley Welding Pony Express) is off roster! This state is too much.

halifax
06-06-2012, 6:59 AM
All you need is the model and seirlal number for the safe and that will work for long guns.

Make and MODEL is all that is needed for this form (http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/pdfs/firearms/forms/gsaff.pdf?).


These guys are all wrong.

You need to unbolt your safe and bring it in with you as proof :)

Only if you are buying a handgun and need to meet the Federal requirements.

JB-Norcal
06-06-2012, 7:11 AM
Scouts honer is good enough, just don't forget to bring your Troop Leader, and make sure he's on the approved list.

Mesa Tactical
06-06-2012, 8:10 AM
I still don't understand why does it have to be a brand new lock? Why can't an older one work that's in functioning condition.

Because it's the law.

It's very simple. Do you have a safe? Yes or no? If yes, they hand you an affidavit to fill out. All you need is the make and model of the safe.

If no, do you have a California-approved lock purchased in the last 30 days? Yes or no? If yes, hand it over for inspection and also hand over the receipt.

If no, Riflegear will sell you a new lock for a reasonable amount, $5 or $10. They won't try to gouge you with a $30 lock like some FFLs.

So don't sweat it.

Where is the serial number?

You don't need the serial number.

AlliedArmory
06-06-2012, 3:02 PM
Safe make and model is all you need. I have never been asked to prove what I own.

ST22
06-06-2012, 3:43 PM
Just like this model :

"Protector" by Patriot, 24 gun safe.

Part Number PROTECTOR2HLEO

They fill out the info about Patriot Protector, you sign, all done.

CK_32
06-06-2012, 3:47 PM
So GCWB-10-5-DS

Sentinel 10 gun security locker should be all I need correct.

mrdd
06-07-2012, 1:09 AM
I still don't understand why does it have to be a brand new lock? Why can't an older one work that's in functioning condition.

The law is that the seller needs to provide a lock, or the buyer can provide a lock, which has to be new.

The reason for the requirement that the lock be "new" is to prevent the buyer from bringing in a lock from a gun already in his possession. The intent of the legislature seems to be that they want one lock per gun in existance.

Without this requirement, the buyer could just have one lock at home he uses every time he makes a new acquisition.

wjc
06-07-2012, 8:07 PM
I've done 3 long guns in the last year.

All I had to put on the affidavit was make and model and I was good to go.

Drey
06-07-2012, 8:14 PM
Make and model only.

zfields
06-07-2012, 9:59 PM
No used off a buddy. No lock included

have your buddy sell you a gun lock , hand write a receipt. Done.

CK_32
06-07-2012, 10:14 PM
have your buddy sell you a gun lock , hand write a receipt. Done.

Yea I'm thinking about it if this doesn't work. Just wright one up and have it in the car as back up.

zfields
06-07-2012, 10:20 PM
Or pick one up from walmart/big 5 on the way there, and return it on the way back.

CK_32
06-07-2012, 10:59 PM
Yea my buddy was telling me about that. But I'd rather just try to show I have my safe and be done with it

alfred1222
06-07-2012, 11:32 PM
just tell them you bought a safe from costco. i cant remember the make and model of mine for the life of me, so i just tell me FFL its the costco one and that makes it all good

thomashoward
06-08-2012, 2:07 PM
Pick up day for me today.2 safes,doesn't matter... only for long guns.
I brought 2 cable locks from my box 'o Locks...No good no receipt.
They were eager to sell me a lock...but wait whats that in the gun box?,why its a factory lock.
Spent the $8.99 at Micky D's on the way home

Flouncer
08-28-2012, 3:01 PM
yeah well just ^%$#@. My Savage Stevens has double triggers, and 28-inch barrels. I went to recoup it from consignment and Ta Dah. They try to sell me a $25 lock. So the law says a lock, and a new one, but I can sign an affidavit saying I have a qualifying safe.

CAVEAT EMPTOR friends.

My HOMAK safe doesn't qualify as it's not on the list, doesn't have a combo lock. But it's a great safe, as it secures the weapons. Tough noogies.

Thnaks for the info and the links to the SAFE list. Like SAFE sex.:D

ElDub1950
08-28-2012, 3:05 PM
Sounds like a good way to sell more useless locks.

Flouncer
08-28-2012, 4:56 PM
I have reviewed the links to DOJ, and looked up my safe.

The dealer is screwed. He can't win. He is not trying to felch me. Sucks to be a dealer.

My safe is on the DOJ approved list. Fact

The law says it has to meet criteria.

The Law, the affidavit, does not mention a DOJ list.

My safe is on the DOJ list but does not come close to meeting the terms and conditions on the DOJ form, the Law form.

The law, the form, and the DOJ are in conflict and contradict each other.

Firearm laws suck, and only serve to confuse, piss off people, and set them up for bull**** inforcement by uniformed law officers.

I am going to BUY the $25 lock from the store, and buy the guy a six-pack of Budweiser and call it good.

The dealer WILL BE AUDITED by DOJ, and WTF then ??? He will have committed a felony by letting a gun go without a lock or without having evidence of a legal safe.

Sent from my iMac, and 6-year Old Mac OS 10.5 OS, circa 2006.

God help us all, because we are screwed by these laws.

- Signed,

Flouncer :)

tomorrow, a trigger lock for a double trigger rifle or shotgun, in classifieds, for cheap !!!

1000stars
08-28-2012, 5:26 PM
Where is the serial number?

There is none.

Sign the affidavit with the make and model of your safe.

There are 2 boxes you can choose.

1. DOJ approved safe.
2. safe meets the minimum criteria.

Check the one that applies. DONE.

sephy
08-28-2012, 5:36 PM
I just sign the paper and put whatever the safe make is, then under model I just say "10 gun safe" or "12 gun safe" or whatever I happen to have at the time. No hassles ever.

Chaozu
08-28-2012, 5:49 PM
I just had to do this. ALL you need is a make and model of a safe. I just looked up a safe on Cabelas and wrote down the make and model. I believe I have a stack on security cabinet or something like that...;)

CK_32
08-28-2012, 6:15 PM
Funny thing is I now have a safe. I can now actually say I have one and be done. Don't need to fake receipts and lie anymore :D

FUBAR
08-28-2012, 6:24 PM
There's a safe roster? So if I wanted a safe that's off roster, do I have to find a place that will SSE it?

To answer your question, you just need to write down the make and model. You DO NOT need to provide them with the serial number or receipt.

Flouncer
08-28-2012, 6:28 PM
There is none. Sign the affidavit with the make and model of your safe. There are 2 boxes you can choose.
1. DOJ approved safe.
2. safe meets the minimum criteria.

NO This is not on the form

Check the one that applies. DONE.

Not the affidavit I am reading.

Box 1 says UL laboratories etc.

Box 2 says A gun safe that meets all of the following standards

By what I read the DEALER will eat it when they are audited.

As I said, the affidavit and the DOJ list conflict, and the affidavit DOES not say anything about a DOJ list.

Thank you for helping, but I don't see what you are seeing.

Please show me.

http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/fsdcertlist

Edit:

here is the bottom paragraph with LOCKBOX, not SAFE: (thats a pistol box, not a rifle safe)


Affidavit Stating Ownership of a DOJ-Certified Lock Box
(This affidavit applies only to lock boxes listed on the Roster of Firearms Safety Devices Certified for Sale and is not valid for any other type of firearms safety device. Firearms Dealer: This affidavit is only valid when accompanied by a receipt.)

As I said, if I pursue the course recommended by the above posters, the gun dealers will get Focked. My safe was purchased back in about 1997 from Kmart, no receipt. It's not as simple or as moral as you make it out to be. If you are the dealer, what would you do ??

NytWolf
08-28-2012, 6:30 PM
Affadavit. It's not "a piece of paper".

Flouncer
08-28-2012, 6:37 PM
Affadavit. It's not "a piece of paper".

Thank you. :)

I will buy you a beer if you live north of Stockton and South of Cottonwood.

ElDub1950
08-28-2012, 6:42 PM
I suppose this is just a formality that covers the state and the dealer "He promised he had secure storage so..."

Wondering if there have ever been legal actions against an owner who does not have an 'approved' safe. Example: had a breakin and bad guy pried open the cheap gun cabinet (like mine), stole a gun and used it to kill someone. Any DAs ever file charges against the original owner?

NastyNate
08-28-2012, 6:46 PM
There's a safe roster? So if I wanted a safe that's off roster, do I have to find a place that will SSE it?

To answer your question, you just need to write down the make and model. You DO NOT need to provide them with the serial number or receipt.

This. I just did this a few days ago and all Turner's wanted was a make and model.

Flouncer
08-28-2012, 6:50 PM
I suppose this is just a formality that covers the state and the dealer "He promised he had secure storage so..."

Wondering if there have ever been legal actions against an owner who does not have an 'approved' safe. Example: had a breakin and bad guy pried open the cheap gun cabinet (like mine), stole a gun and used it to kill someone. Any DAs ever file charges against the original owner?

Thanks ElDub and everybody else. I am shutting down. Beer for all.

Several people posted this and that. They clearly mean well, but given the facts and conditions I have disclosed, they would Fock over a dealer as soon as they would take an old lady's parking place. Seriously. It ain't your problem. Lie on the affidavit, lie about anything. What about the dealer.

Put yourself in his shoes. WTH is he supposed to do given that you all will just get aumber and put it down. He gets the Audit. He sold the weapon. He accepted fraudulent information. Now, his license is up for Hoo Hay.

It's your business. Your mortgage, your College fund. Sheeeezus. All at stake for a measly $25

I swear to God, you guys are children. Self centered, self serving freaking clowns that never had to own up for anything or take any responsibility for anything.

I am no Einstein, but coming here for help, from at least half the posters, is retarded and an exercise in exactly why there are laws that keep strangling us.

Think about it.

mrdd
08-29-2012, 2:54 AM
Thanks ElDub and everybody else. I am shutting down. Beer for all.

Several people posted this and that. They clearly mean well, but given the facts and conditions I have disclosed, they would Fock over a dealer as soon as they would take an old lady's parking place. Seriously. It ain't your problem. Lie on the affidavit, lie about anything. What about the dealer.

Put yourself in his shoes. WTH is he supposed to do given that you all will just get aumber and put it down. He gets the Audit. He sold the weapon. He accepted fraudulent information. Now, his license is up for Hoo Hay.

It's your business. Your mortgage, your College fund. Sheeeezus. All at stake for a measly $25

I swear to God, you guys are children. Self centered, self serving freaking clowns that never had to own up for anything or take any responsibility for anything.

I am no Einstein, but coming here for help, from at least half the posters, is retarded and an exercise in exactly why there are laws that keep strangling us.

Think about it.

I would not lie on an affidavit. It is signed under penalty of perjury.

In any case, the point of the affidavit is that you are making a sworn statement as to certain facts. The dealer can accept that as fact, and if it is later found out to be false, he is in the clear.

NytWolf
08-30-2012, 7:08 AM
Thank you. :)

I will buy you a beer if you live north of Stockton and South of Cottonwood.

I probably do. :p

A-J
08-30-2012, 8:17 AM
I haven't done the safe affidavit yet, becasue since I've had the safe, all my guns have been bought new and came with gun locks. The affidavit on the DOJ site does not say it must be an "approved" safe or lock box. The safe I bought at Costco is not on the CA "approved" list, but since it is UL listed that is fine, according to the form.

JaMail
08-30-2012, 8:33 AM
http://www.customreceipt.com/

JaMail
08-30-2012, 8:34 AM
ive used it twice to get away from buying a stupid hand gun lock

bigcasino
08-30-2012, 7:14 PM
I once had a big 5 salesman give me a hard time about the gun lock thing when picking up my new mosin so I buy a lock from them and the next day I returned it for cash and bought Ammo...this was the same employee that wouldnt sell me ammo if I was picking up a gun so I had to buy ammo then take it to the car and come back inside for the gun but couldnt carry both out at same time...LOL

1000stars
08-30-2012, 7:57 PM
Not the affidavit I am reading.

Box 1 says UL laboratories etc.

Box 2 says A gun safe that meets all of the following standards


I stand corrected.

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/pdfs/firearms/forms/gsaff.pdf?

Sakiri
08-30-2012, 8:21 PM
Oye.

I've so far found a few annoying things about this state.

1) I've never owned a gun lock.
2) I've never owned a gun CASE.
3) added to that top there, I've never owned a gun SAFE either.

Then again, we also taught the kids not to mess with them and kept them on a rack in the parents' closet. Mom had a lock on her bedroom door.

I was, however allowed to get them at will. -_-

barbasol
08-30-2012, 8:31 PM
Oye.

I've so far found a few annoying things about this state.

1) I've never owned a gun lock.
2) I've never owned a gun CASE.
3) added to that top there, I've never owned a gun SAFE either.

Then again, we also taught the kids not to mess with them and kept them on a rack in the parents' closet. Mom had a lock on her bedroom door.

I was, however allowed to get them at will. -_-

Sounds like you've never had a gun stolen either. Lucky you.