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The1stWright
06-02-2012, 9:39 PM
I've recently sold all of my .45s (mostly 1911s) mainly due to shooting cost and i'm going to exclusively shoot 9mm. I've been throwing around a few options and i'm thinking of going with a 9mm 1911. I'm going to use this 1911 for HD and plinking. What would you recommend?

Press Check
06-02-2012, 9:43 PM
What's your budget on the pistol?

The1stWright
06-02-2012, 9:47 PM
$700-$1000

El Gato
06-02-2012, 9:50 PM
I have two springfield target 5 in 9mm's and love 'em....

here in Bakersfield, Valley Gun had, as of yesterday, two Kimber 5 in stainless 9mm's for I think 1200.00... don't see them much around here but they are the sweet deal...661-325-9468

Press Check
06-02-2012, 10:04 PM
here in Bakersfield, Valley Gun had, as of yesterday, two Kimber 5 in stainless 9mm's for I think 1200.00... don't see them much around here but they are the sweet deal...661-325-9468

If that's a Gold Match Stainless II, that's a decent deal for $1,200. Otherwise, the Stainless Target II is a $900 pistol.

Press Check
06-02-2012, 10:07 PM
$700-$1000

As I always say, there's a lot of value in the Springfield Loaded Target pistols.

El Gato
06-02-2012, 10:14 PM
If that's a Gold Match Stainless II, that's a decent deal for $1,200. Otherwise, the Stainless Target II is a $900 pistol.

I really don't remember the price... I'm not in the market and I prefer the Springer design even though the Kimber is a better executed gun as to finish ...

If you are near, give them a call... it seems to me that not only are these guns a bit rare, but the price seems to be going up accross the board... however, used guns of certain flavors seem to abound...

good luck searching....

a bit about my springer....the barrel is so tight that it would blow primers through the firing pin channel when shooting very hot corbon dpx through it.. consequently I changed the recoil spring and I now only carry std pressure loads or corbon std hollow points in it...right now it's federal 9bp load...but with corbon it's pretty much point of aim, point of impact to about 100 meters...I do love the gun...I had to tweek the extractor at about 3000 rounds and the trigger is a greider short and the stupid full length guide rod went in the trash before i even fired it...

other than that it's a sweet gun... it's not as accurate accross the board as my Volkmann custom gun in 45acp but it's cheap to shoot and crazy fun...
It needs a gold bead front sight or a tritium and the back needs to be de-horned ...

M27
06-02-2012, 10:37 PM
I have a friend with this kimber and it shoots really nice

eats anything factory, reloads, and steel he only feeds it cheep ammo for plinking and it keeps running

http://www.kimberamerica.com/1911/aegis-ii/custom-aegis-ii

Press Check
06-02-2012, 10:38 PM
Even though I'm partial to Springfield, to completely summarize what's available in 9mm, you have the RIA Tactical in the $450 range, the Taurus PT-1911 in the $550 range, and the STI Spartan in the $650 range.

From $900 to $1,000, you have the Springfield Loaded series and Kimber Stainless series.

From there, you have the S&W Pro Series at $1,200-$1,300, the Dan Wesson PM-9 at $1,450-$1,550, and the Les Baer P.P.C. Distinguished Match at $2,000-$2,300.

There's also the STI Duty One, Lawman 5.0, Range Master, Sentry, Trojan 5.0, and Target Master, but none are on the Roster.

1911Luvr
06-02-2012, 10:51 PM
Even though I'm partial to Springfield, to completely summarize what's available in 9mm, you have the RIA Tactical in the $450 range, the Taurus PT-1911 in the $550 range, and the STI Spartan in the $650 range.

From $900 to $1,000, you have the Springfield Loaded series and Kimber Stainless series.

From there, you have the S&W Pro Series at $1,200-$1,300, the Dan Wesson PM-9 at $1,450-$1,550, and the Les Baer P.P.C. Distinguished Match at $2,000-$2,300.

There's also the STI Duty One, Lawman 5.0, Range Master, Sentry, Trojan 5.0, and Target Master, but none are on the Roster.

Don't forget to add SSE fees for the RIA, STI and Taurus too as the last time I checked none of them were on the roster in addition to the last guns you mentioned.

Bastard
06-02-2012, 11:11 PM
its is my understanding that the most reliable 9mm 1911 is the browning hi-power, sure its not a 1911 but as this question on any 1911 forum and that is the answer you will get time & time again. and when you finally give in & decide to at least look in to the HP take a good look at the CZ also.

keenkeen
06-03-2012, 6:55 AM
its is my understanding that the most reliable 9mm 1911 is the browning hi-power, sure its not a 1911 but as this question on any 1911 forum and that is the answer you will get time & time again. and when you finally give in & decide to at least look in to the HP take a good look at the CZ also.

Owning multiples of both (9mm Hi-Powers and 9mm 1911s) I would have to say I completely disagree.

But, I am not one of these, "You will never get a 9mm 1911 to run 100%" guys either. My 9mm 1911's have all run like a top straight out of the box. Same thing with my Hi-Powers but they are 2 very different platforms and shooting experiences.

cwin
06-03-2012, 8:41 AM
I'm partial to Springfields as well, my 9mm combat is fun to shoot.

Ripon83
06-03-2012, 8:52 AM
I have a Kimber target no complaints, but I'm in the market for the RIA tactical 9mm which is not on our roster so I'm trying to organize a SSE. I had the RIA 45 and enjoyed it. CenterfireSystems had them at $419 but sell out all the time, I hope to get one by SSE for mid $500.

My only negative comment is there are no affordable magazines in 9mm. Seems like the cheapest are $25/30 each.

daybreak
06-03-2012, 8:55 AM
I enjoyed my RIA 9mm Tactical. The only disappointing thing was the finish. Safety scratches when brand new and the finish just looked cheap. The new ria logo was also hideous. But it shot flawlessly and that's what guns are for.

Ripon83
06-03-2012, 9:28 AM
Agree cant buy an RIA for a fit and finish. But their performance seems fine if not excellent. I hope I can get one this year.....



I enjoyed my RIA 9mm Tactical. The only disappointing thing was the finish. Safety scratches when brand new and the finish just looked cheap. The new ria logo was also hideous. But it shot flawlessly and that's what guns are for.

JNunez23
06-03-2012, 10:18 AM
Agree cant buy an RIA for a fit and finish. But their performance seems fine if not excellent. I hope I can get one this year.....

I wouldn't mind having one and hitting it with a layer of cerakote.

jpm804
06-03-2012, 11:47 AM
I enjoyed my RIA 9mm Tactical. The only disappointing thing was the finish. Safety scratches when brand new and the finish just looked cheap. The new ria logo was also hideous. But it shot flawlessly and that's what guns are for.

^^ this.... Just got mine and while the fit and finish is not the greatest, I wasnt expecting it to be. It ran flawless when I ran it this weeked which is what mattered.

Defintely on the lower end of the 1911 9mm if you want to try one out. Hard part is just finding a place that will SSE or even finding the gun seems to be a challenge also.

Now I want a SA 1911 loaded :cool:

Ripon83
06-03-2012, 12:03 PM
I wonder how well the RIA takes to getting a cerakote or better a nice blue job? The nice thing is you can get one, shoot it, make sure its what you think and then have that done and still have lots of money left over. I don't regret paying 1100 for the target Kimber 9mm but I like lots of extras (magazines, ammo, holsters, cases) and it all starts to add up so a less expensive gun rocks.


I wouldn't mind having one and hitting it with a layer of cerakote.

daybreak
06-03-2012, 12:05 PM
I wouldn't mind having one and hitting it with a layer of cerakote.

that's exactly what I was planning to do, or an NP3 finish. In the end I found an SP01 and decided I didn't need a 9mm 1911 anymore.

daybreak
06-03-2012, 12:07 PM
honestly, if they made a stainless 9mm tactical, I'd be all over it like a bad simile.

Press Check
06-03-2012, 1:05 PM
I wonder how well the RIA takes to getting a cerakote or better a nice blue job?

For either application, degreasing and surface preparation is essential, and especially critical with bluing. The steel that Armscor uses is not sub-standard to other manufacturers, so finishes adhere to their frames and slides no differently.

The1stWright
06-03-2012, 4:18 PM
I've been leaning towards a Kimber but I'm not a fan of stainless.

Press Check
06-03-2012, 4:28 PM
Not sure there are any Roster'd 9mm pistols that aren't stainless.

georound1
06-03-2012, 4:35 PM
There's a STI Ranger II in the for sale section. Looks pretty good....

dragon7
06-03-2012, 4:56 PM
I recommend the Springfield Loaded Target. Mine came with the best fit slide on a factory gun I've ever felt. The trigger breaks a terrific 3 !/2 lbs. out of the box.

The1stWright
06-03-2012, 5:15 PM
Im not a fan of adjustable rear sights so it will be changed to 10-8's fast. I'm deciding between a Kimber target and SA Loaded. Does anyone know if the SA Loaded 9mm is US manufactured?

Press Check
06-03-2012, 5:29 PM
Im not a fan of adjustable rear sights so it will be changed to 10-8's fast. I'm deciding between a Kimber target and SA Loaded. Does anyone know if the SA Loaded 9mm is US manufactured?

The Loaded Target models are NM pistols, and the Loaded Combat models are typically N (Imbel) pistols.

The1stWright
06-03-2012, 5:36 PM
Might have to go with a target model. I want a US manufactured 1911

Press Check
06-03-2012, 5:36 PM
I recommend the Springfield Loaded Target. Mine came with the best fit slide on a factory gun I've ever felt. The trigger breaks a terrific 3 !/2 lbs. out of the box.

There's simply no way that your pistol arrived with a 3.5# trigger out of the box.

The1stWright
06-03-2012, 5:41 PM
I though all SA's came with 5 pound triggers

Press Check
06-03-2012, 5:52 PM
The Loaded models actually hover in the realm of 6#. The TRP models break at 4-5#.

Bastard
06-03-2012, 7:08 PM
Not sure there are any Roster'd 9mm pistols that aren't stainless.
there are only 3 full size 1911 9mm pistols on the roster, 2 Springfields fixed & adjustable sights & the Kimber with adjustable sights and they are all stainless.

keenkeen
06-03-2012, 8:43 PM
there are only 3 full size 1911 9mm pistols on the roster, 2 Springfields fixed & adjustable sights & the Kimber with adjustable sights and they are all stainless.

Actually, there are a few more than that:

KIMBER
Stainless Target 9mm II / Stainless Steel Pistol 5" 9mm 10/14/2012

PARA
PX189SL / Stainless Steel Pistol 5" 9mm 10/28/2012
PX189SN / Stainless Steel Pistol 5" 9mm 10/28/2012
PX189SR / Stainless Steel Pistol 5" 9mm 10/28/2012

SPRINGFIELD
PI9134L (ambi safety) / Stainless Steel Pistol 5" 9mm 4/26/2013 (Target Sights
PI9134L / Stainless Steel Pistol 5" 9mm 4/26/2013 (Target Sights)

PX9130L (ambi safety) / Stainless Steel Pistol 5" 9mm 12/31/2012 (Fixed Sights)
PX9130L / Stainless Steel Pistol 5" 9mm 12/31/2012 (Fixed Sights)

Now, if you don't count the 2 versions of each Springfield (ambi vs. single safety) and include the fact that the PARAs, while on roster do not seem to be available you more right than wrong...Ah, California. :D

And even the Para's are stainless...

Bastard
06-03-2012, 9:28 PM
Forgot about the Paras, seems to happen quite a bit when thinking about 1911s though i know they do make a decent gun, but their px189 series is a double stack if memory servers me correctly.

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Press Check
06-03-2012, 10:27 PM
Forgot about the Paras, seems to happen quite a bit when thinking about 1911s

Para makes a 1911?! :confused: :eek: :D

dragon7
06-03-2012, 10:35 PM
Yes way. I was surprised too, so I measured it several times with my RCBS trigger scale. 3 1/2 lbs. You can come on over and check yourself if you don't believe it.

Press Check
06-03-2012, 10:43 PM
Yes way. I was surprised too, so I measured it several times with my RCBS trigger scale. 3 1/2 lbs. You can come on over and check yourself if you don't believe it.

Interesting.

Springfield will reduce the pull down to 4lbs with the MIM components, but anything sub-4lbs, they insist on using tool steel components.

The1stWright
06-03-2012, 10:43 PM
Where can I find the best deal? I'm trying to spend the least amount of money possible.

Press Check
06-03-2012, 10:58 PM
I haven't seen a Springfield or Kimber for less than $900 locally, and assuming you can find one locally, AND at that price, after tax and DROS, you're north of $1,000.

The1stWright
06-03-2012, 11:08 PM
Yeah looks like i'll be with another .45 I really wanted to save the money shooting with a lower caliber. That way I could put in more range time. Sucks california won't make the Kimber Aegis Custom II legal.

toby77
06-03-2012, 11:09 PM
Springfield is always a safe bet

Bastard
06-03-2012, 11:43 PM
....save the money shooting with a lower caliber. That way I could put in more range time.
start reloading, assuming that you don't already.

The1stWright
06-04-2012, 12:36 AM
start reloading, assuming that you don't already.

I wish I knew how to reload. However saying where I reside it's nearly impossible.

walmart_ar15
06-04-2012, 5:30 AM
OP, you may want to expand your search to include 38 Supers variant of the 1911. With a simple barrel change, you will have a 9mm.

There are also discussions on 45 ACP conversion by just swapping the entire slide assembly and replace the ejector with a 9mm version. Have not done it myself, so cannot vouch for it.:TFH:

GunHo
06-04-2012, 7:16 AM
I recommend the Springfield with adjustable sights. Model# PI9134LP... worth every penny. OTD was $950.00 for me. I can't stop looking at mine.

billt
06-04-2012, 7:25 AM
I just purchased a Springfield 9 MM Target. It's a fantastic pistol. Just $100.00 more than the Kimber Stainless II. But you get excellent adjustable target sights with it. Not to mention checkered Cocobolo grips instead of black rubber, and most important of all you get a checkered STAINLESS STEEL mainspring housing. Not that $h!tty PLASTIC one Kimber provides you with. That is inexcusable on a 1K pistol.

theneko
06-04-2012, 8:18 AM
The Springfield EMP rocks!

Ripon83
06-04-2012, 8:22 AM
It is nice, but I've never been a fan of 1911 midgets.


The Springfield EMP rocks!

GunHo
06-04-2012, 3:01 PM
I enjoyed my RIA 9mm Tactical. The only disappointing thing was the finish. Safety scratches when brand new and the finish just looked cheap. The new ria logo was also hideous. But it shot flawlessly and that's what guns are for.

I just got the "in stock" alert at GrabaGun for the RIA 9mm Tactical, but I backed out because of exactly what you said, "The only disappointing thing was the finish". I've heard it too many times, which to me was a deal breaker. I like looking at my guns as much as shooting them.

And OP, glad to hear I'm not the only one that's going exclusively to 9mm. To me, the 9mm is a happy medium. The .45 is great but just too much pop for excessive shooting. With the 9mm, I can go all day; especially with the 1911 platform.

billt
06-04-2012, 5:07 PM
I just got the "in stock" alert at GrabaGun for the RIA 9mm Tactical, but I backed out because of exactly what you said, "The only disappointing thing was the finish". I've heard it too many times, which to me was a deal breaker. I like looking at my guns as much as shooting them.

And OP, glad to hear I'm not the only one that's going exclusively to 9mm. To me, the 9mm is a happy medium. The .45 is great but just too much pop for excessive shooting. With the 9mm, I can go all day; especially with the 1911 platform.

Another thing to factor in is cost. You can shoot almost twice the 9 MM for what .45 ACP Ball costs these days. I looked at RIA guns, but always backed off at the last minute because of the finish. They were just too rough for my taste. I love my 9 MM Springer. Worth every penny every time I look at it.

http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz50/billt460/4New1911sCZ97B007.jpg

http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz50/billt460/4New1911sCZ97B008.jpg

Camaro_Matt
06-04-2012, 11:10 PM
I enjoyed my RIA 9mm Tactical. The only disappointing thing was the finish. Safety scratches when brand new and the finish just looked cheap. The new ria logo was also hideous. But it shot flawlessly and that's what guns are for.

How did you get a RIA tactical in 9mm? I talked to several gun shops between Raahauge's and the Crossroads show and they all said that they were illegal in California. Has something changed recently that they don't know about?

daybreak
06-05-2012, 3:46 AM
How did you get a RIA tactical in 9mm? I talked to several gun shops between Raahauge's and the Crossroads show and they all said that they were illegal in California. Has something changed recently that they don't know about?

They are not on the CA roster, you are correct. They are not illegal however. Research the SSE (single shot exemption) process. Or find one that someone is selling through PPT. I bought mine through the SSE process.

check out EBR Works in Thousand Oaks, that is where I bought mine. They are a vendor here on calguns.

EBR Works
06-05-2012, 6:09 AM
They are not on the CA roster, you are correct. They are not illegal however. Research the SSE (single shot exemption) process. Or find one that someone is selling through PPT. I bought mine through the SSE process.

check out EBR Works in Thousand Oaks, that is where I bought mine. They are a vendor here on calguns.


We have a few of these left in stock:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=557073

daybreak
06-05-2012, 6:31 AM
I highly highly recommend EBR Works. Great FFL to deal with.

billt
06-05-2012, 6:34 AM
Davidson's www.galleryofguns.com is showing a lot of the Citadel models in stock in various configurations and calibers. They are just a more gussied up version of the Rock Island Armory line with a better fit, finish, and grips, and are just a few bucks more. They are made in the exact same plant at Armscor in the Phillipines as the RIA line is.

Bastard
06-05-2012, 8:10 AM
Davidson's www.galleryofguns.com is showing a lot of the Citadel models in stock in various configurations and calibers. They are just a more gussied up version of the Rock Island Armory line with a better fit, finish, and grips, and are just a few bucks more. They are made in the exact same plant at Armscor in the Phillipines as the RIA line is.

I don't believe that these are on the roster, so to get one in to CA it would have to be on a SSE and by the time that it is all said and done the OP would have been better off keeping the SA loaded that he just sold.

billt
06-05-2012, 8:21 AM
I don't believe that these are on the roster, so to get one in to CA it would have to be on a SSE and by the time that it is all said and done the OP would have been better off keeping the SA loaded that he just sold.

No one ever said common sense, and California gun laws should collide in the same sentence. :confused:

GunHo
06-05-2012, 8:48 AM
How did you get a RIA tactical in 9mm? I talked to several gun shops between Raahauge's and the Crossroads show and they all said that they were illegal in California. Has something changed recently that they don't know about?

There is one on Grabagun.com right now. You just need to talk to your local FFL to do the SSE process.

Another thing to factor in is cost. You can shoot almost twice the 9 MM for what .45 ACP Ball costs these days. I looked at RIA guns, but always backed off at the last minute because of the finish. They were just too rough for my taste. I love my 9 MM Springer. Worth every penny every time I look at it.

Congrats on your 9mm Springer. The finish on it is amazing. Not too blingy, but still offers the 1911 classy look. And the way it shoots just blew me away. The gun felt like it had shock absorbers; it just ate up the 9mm recoil. The one thing I didn't like was the coco-something grips. The quick fix was Alumagrips....

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh581/testarija/P1000380.jpg

Press Check
06-05-2012, 9:21 AM
The one thing I didn't like was the coco-something grips. The quick fix was Alumagrips....


Springfiel Cocobolo's are awesome!

http://i49.tinypic.com/10dtnj5.jpg

GunHo
06-05-2012, 9:34 AM
Springfiel Cocobolo's are awesome!

Lol. Nothing against the Cocobolo grips. I just had to match with all my other two tone guns. I like what you did with your front sight. The local gun smith wanted bank ($100 labor) to do it; i was like "that's crazy"... That said, did you do yourself or gunsmith? I watched it on youtube and a bit reluctant because I fear scratching or even worse; damaging it.

billt
06-05-2012, 9:35 AM
Springfiel Cocobolo's are awesome!

I agree. I think it is one of the most attractive things about their pistols. They really maintain that rich, reddish color regardless of the model you choose. My Mil-Spec came with an extra set of black plastic grips. Not that I would ever use them.

billt
06-05-2012, 9:42 AM
The place I bought mine from, www.scottsdalegunclub.com has a 9 MM Springfield range rental gun. They said they have never had a single issue with it in tens of thousands of rounds. Good to know.

Press Check
06-05-2012, 11:16 AM
Lol. Nothing against the Cocobolo grips. I just had to match with all my other two tone guns. I like what you did with your front sight. The local gun smith wanted bank ($100 labor) to do it; i was like "that's crazy"... That said, did you do yourself or gunsmith? I watched it on youtube and a bit reluctant because I fear scratching or even worse; damaging it.

$100 sounds a bit excessive for nothing more than labor.

For $65, Springfield supplied and installed the Dawson Precision FO sight, but I asked to have the base of the sight blended and contoured to the radius of the slide, so there was an additional upcharge of $30 to custom make the base of the sight. Since the slide was there, I had them serrate the top at 40LPI.

http://i49.tinypic.com/m9tz83.jpg

Camaro_Matt
06-05-2012, 1:31 PM
They are not on the CA roster, you are correct. They are not illegal however. Research the SSE (single shot exemption) process. Or find one that someone is selling through PPT. I bought mine through the SSE process.

check out EBR Works in Thousand Oaks, that is where I bought mine. They are a vendor here on calguns.

Thanks for the help, I going to stop by my local gunsmith and talk to him. Unfortunately EBR Works is kinda far from me but it may be worth the drive.

Press Check
06-05-2012, 1:55 PM
Unfortunately EBR Works is kinda far from me but it may be worth the drive.

Between pistols and rifles, I think I have about 4 or 5 transactions through Mike, and trust me, it's worth the drive. The individualized attention and level of customer service remains unmatched by any FFL I have dealt with.

Nohuri
06-05-2012, 4:07 PM
I think a new Kimber would be over $1,000 but that's the one I would look at. I've had their 45acp and really liked them.

jpm804
06-05-2012, 8:49 PM
I wouldn't mind having one and hitting it with a layer of cerakote.

Just found this video... looks good with a nice cerakote job.

PANtUwuTM2c

billt
06-12-2012, 5:39 AM
Well I finally made it to the local indoor range to crank it up. I ran 200 rounds of 9 MM FMJ Ball through it without a hiccup. All of it was Federal Champion 115 Gr. FMJ. The gun functioned flawlessly with both magazines provided. No problems. The slide locked back on the last round every time with both mags. I even deliberately limp wristed a couple of rounds to try to cause a malfunction. No dice, it ran right through it.

The sights on this gun are really nice. They required a slight adjustment to the right to bring them dead on at 25 yards with a 6 O'clock hold. This gun is as boringly reliable as any Glock. At least from what I've seen so far. I'm not going to bother feeding it high priced defensive ammo because it is strictly a range gun. I lubed the hell out of it before I left, and by the time I had finished the last magazine, oil was oozing out of the slide most everywhere. After I got home I gave it the usual wet cleaning with clean Kerosene and a compressed air blow dry. I then relubed everything, reassembled it and she's good for another session. This gun is going to get shot a lot! It's very comfortable with much less felt recoil than any of my 9 MM Glocks. Overall I couldn't have asked for more.

GunHo
06-12-2012, 6:06 AM
Very nice. I've put at least 1k rounds on mine and still perfect. Yes, not one jam of any sort, and I use Jack Ross reload 9mm which are excellent rounds... enjoy.