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Danz la Nuit
06-01-2012, 9:36 AM
I purchased 1k rounds of this

http://www.freedommunitions.com/product-p/fm45f230n.htm

for the range;

what should I be looking at for a smaller supply of home/personal defense ammo?

Hollow Point? Higher powder grain amount? :confused:

h0use
06-01-2012, 9:40 AM
hornaday critical defence

peacedivision
06-01-2012, 9:49 AM
Whatever quality HP your gun feeds reliably

Legasat
06-01-2012, 9:49 AM
I use Speer Gold Dots or Federal HST. On that Website you linked, use the 230gr JHP.

nocomply25
06-01-2012, 10:16 AM
http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm

all you need to know ever

powaybob
06-01-2012, 10:26 AM
Hornady Critical Defense is what I use in my XD .45.

p1choco
06-01-2012, 10:27 AM
Not all ammo marketed for home defense is good ammo. Try looking at this youtube channel and you can get an idea of how different ammo works.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL47112947DB1DE491&feature=plcp

Do a little research and decide for yourself. There are tons of internet ammo experts and you'll get tons of different answers on what is the best ammo to use.

kb58
06-01-2012, 10:30 AM
At the end of the day, just use hollow-point and move on. As was said, you'll get so many expert opinions that you can brain-lock.

Bug Splat
06-01-2012, 10:33 AM
Ranger-T's +P

That stuff is wicked.

rally200
06-01-2012, 10:39 AM
Hornady Critical Defense is what I use in my XD .45.

+2. My hk usp full size .45 loves these rounds... plus they have a plastic plug in the hollow point cavity to prevent the hollow point from filling up with thick clothing and seriously reduce the efficacy of a hollow point.

The plastic falls away and the round is seriously effective.

Spdjunkie
06-01-2012, 10:44 AM
OP: What handgun is this for?

Danz la Nuit
06-01-2012, 10:51 AM
OP: What handgun is this for?

SIG 1911 SSS-R .45

http://www.tombstonetactical.com/images/sig-sauer/1911R-45-SSS-1-large.jpg

J.D.Allen
06-01-2012, 10:53 AM
http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm

all you need to know ever

:stupid: Get something from the list at this link. Skip everything else.

That being said, especially since you're shooting it out of a 1911, whatever ammo you go with make sure you run at LEAST 100 rounds through it without any problems before relying on it for defense.

FiveSeven
06-01-2012, 11:25 AM
At the end of the day, just use hollow-point and move on. As was said, you'll get so many expert opinions that you can brain-lock.

+1
Not to mention that even so called "experts" like dentist Dr. Roberts who's full of it and been proven flat wrong.
Also there's a good amount of biased reviews written on Soviet block ammo vs U.S and it clearly shows as such. The actual facts are in war zones & real events not in home cooked up gelatin test and personal biased opinions of some.

This is my view of effectiveness of terminal ballistics.

Being at the wrong place & time.
Shot placement (and #).
Willingness to live.
Time before (proper) medical treatment & quality of it.

With all that, I carry and prefer .45 :43: but won't underestimate anything.

OP, any name brand .45 HP should be good, shorter the barrel then lighter bullet. I use any 165-185gr +P in my compact .45 (all copper HP's should be good).

IBJanky
06-01-2012, 11:26 AM
Another vote for Hornady Critical Defense

myke

Squidward
06-01-2012, 11:30 AM
Hornady Critical Defense. It shoots POA/POI on all of my handguns at HD distances.

Sam
06-01-2012, 11:58 AM
+1
Not to mention that even so called "experts" like dentist Dr. Roberts who's full of it and been proven flat wrong.

How so?

teflondog
06-01-2012, 12:47 PM
I'm a fan of Federal HST. The round performs well and recoil is similar to practice ammo.

Spdjunkie
06-01-2012, 12:48 PM
SIG 1911 SSS-R .45

http://www.tombstonetactical.com/images/sig-sauer/1911R-45-SSS-1-large.jpg
OP: Nice Piece; Great choice

imho: Recommend a 230grn HP NON "+P"; or Standard Velocity HP

- For a FS GOVT 1911 w/ Std. Recoil Spring.; Non +P [Just make sure it feeds-chambers/fires/cycles/extracts 100% before depending on this ammo/firearm setup. *Applies to Anything for PD Really]
- If you really "want" +P, up the Recoil Spring to a 18 1/2 lbs.; [Just make sure it cycles feeds-chambers/fires/cycles/extracts 100% before depending on this ammo/firearm setup. *Applies to Anything for PD Really]

^ Add: Any round wont matter if its not tested and proven to be reliable in "Your" Defense platform. Make sure "Your" combo is tested to feed-chamber/fire/cycle/extract 100% before relying on it.
Also, Reason I add NON +P for your 1911 setup: Most 230grn FMJ off the shelf target/training ammo will be "close" to PF with a NON +P HP offerings. Setup to Fight; Setup to Train = SAME

"Fight like you Train, Train like you Fight"


Also, Don't skip on Mags; "Again IMHO": Wilson 47D or Tripp 8RD Cobra

FiveSeven
06-01-2012, 1:02 PM
How so?

His fierce opposition to 5.7x28 (how ineffective useless good for nothing this round is).
and real life
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shooting

Brandon04GT
06-01-2012, 1:33 PM
There are people who like to use low cost hollow-points like WWB JHP because they can purchase more of it and train with it often. The argument is also that the .45 ACP is already pretty big so how big a round mushrooms is not as critical compared to smaller rounds.

BlackDrop50
06-01-2012, 1:46 PM
Federal HST
Winchester Ranger
Speer Gold Dot
Hornady Critical Duty or Defense
Corbon

Trapper
06-01-2012, 1:52 PM
I keep my Sig 220 loaded with Winchester Ranger 230gr T-Series. Accuracy and reliability are good in my pistol.
http://winchesterle.com/Products/handgun-ammunition/ranger/t-series/Pages/RA45T.aspx

Sam
06-01-2012, 2:43 PM
His fierce opposition to 5.7x28 (how ineffective useless good for nothing this round is).
and real life
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shooting

Seems like you shouldn't take things so personally. Did you completely read his post why he believes 5.7 is insufficient?

Also, do you know the specifics how each victim of the Fort Hood shooting was shot? There are tons of variables other than caliber that play into the lethality of a real world shooting. Without downplaying the shooing, the results of the shooting only provide some evidence and not the definitive answer for selection of caliber. If you want to just look at real world casualty numbers, maybe you should ditch your hollow points and use ball 9mm or 45 because those two rounds have killed a ton of people.

FiveSeven
06-01-2012, 3:18 PM
Seems like you shouldn't take things so personally.
Nothing personal there, just see things for what they are.

Did you completely read his post why he believes 5.7 is insufficient?
Yes, and he has been proven wrong. Reality is one thing he's opinion is another.

Also, do you know the specifics how each victim of the Fort Hood shooting was shot? There are tons of variables other than caliber that play into the lethality of a real world shooting. Without downplaying the shooing, the results of the shooting only provide some evidence and not the definitive answer for selection of caliber. If you want to just look at real world casualty numbers, maybe you should ditch your hollow points and use ball 9mm or 45 because those two rounds have killed a ton of people.

Read my original re: in this thread.
.....and yes, how many times did you hear/read where someone was shot 5, 9 or whatever the # with 9mm, .45 etc and survived?
Exactly my point and yes I still believe he's full of it.
If anything it only proved just how effective that round is and anyone downplayed it from very beginning lost all credibility.
We can debate ballistics all we want but real world examples trump personal opinions.

Mr.1904
06-01-2012, 3:30 PM
I use Hornady TAP FPD 230 grn +p in the full size.

Hornady XTP 200 grn for smaller barrel.

To each their own. As long as it goes bang reliably and goes where you want it to it should be good enough for you. Practice, practice, practice.

xSARSx
06-01-2012, 4:45 PM
Actually any ammo that ur gun loves will do honestly.... If u know how to aim and shoot precisely( shot placement)then ur good to go. I use bullet man's ammo as my current hd no complaints here

RealBarber
06-01-2012, 5:32 PM
i carry Winchester PDX1 in my Colt 1991 everyday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8vzcdhoOAU

locosway
06-01-2012, 8:05 PM
I purchased 1k rounds of this

http://www.freedommunitions.com/product-p/fm45f230n.htm

for the range;

what should I be looking at for a smaller supply of home/personal defense ammo?

Hollow Point? Higher powder grain amount? :confused:

I run Federal HST 230gr, but I would also use Ranger T's just as well.

NSR500
06-01-2012, 8:14 PM
Since it is for a 1911, you should sample HD ammo and see which runs best. Some 1911 are picky eaters. I run Hornady in mine.

locosway
06-01-2012, 8:16 PM
Since it is for a 1911, you should sample HD ammo and see which runs best. Some 1911 are picky eaters. I run Hornady in mine.

If I had a gun that wouldn't run my ammo of choice I would sell it... :)

madbretbeyondthunderdome
06-01-2012, 8:27 PM
+1 more for the Ranger T's. I prefer the standard velocity rather the +P offerings, but as many have already said, find something that your gun functions flawlessly with and go from there. I have heard great things about HST's and Hornady's offerings as well but, I can usually get the Rangers priced better and more regularly available from my supplier and the Hornady seems, at least to me, to be priced quite a bit higher. Ultimately, it's more about shot placement anyhow...

DJ Skillz
06-01-2012, 8:54 PM
My nightstand gun is loaded with Federal HSTs.

Socalman
06-02-2012, 9:41 AM
Don't own a .45 but the .357 and 9's are loaded with Remington Golden Sabers.

Manolito
06-02-2012, 10:10 AM
I use winchester ranger and I only choose that because of the flash at night. They have developed a powder that has a smaller flash at night.

G60
06-02-2012, 10:29 AM
.45 ACP:
Barnes XPB 185 gr JHP (copper bullet)
Federal HST 230 gr JHP (P45HST2)
Federal HST 230 gr +P JHP (P45HST1)
Federal Tactical 230 gr JHP (LE45T1)
Speer Gold Dot 230 gr JHP
Speer Gold Dot 230 gr +P JHP
Winchester Ranger-T 230 gr JHP (RA45T)
Winchester Ranger-T 230 gr +P JHP (RA45TP)

BTW: Don't listen to FiveSeven. He's just trying to justify his purchases based on one favorable incident, while ignoring the many agencies who have dropped the 5.7 platform due to poor real-world performance.

Sebass
06-02-2012, 2:30 PM
My 1911 did not like Ranger T's...on the other hand it loves Speer Gold Dots! 100 flawless rounds later, I feel comfortable in carrying them (accurate to boot as well).


P.S I have a S&W 1911 :)

FiveSeven
06-02-2012, 3:05 PM
This....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/sergey25/Lens2/IMGP8835.jpg

dragon7
06-02-2012, 3:12 PM
Again, Hornady Critical Defense. Most current researched and developed technology that's designed for personal defense.

Just make sure your firearm likes it. Best round in the world is worthless if it doesn't leave the barrel.

Mofo-Kang
06-03-2012, 9:03 AM
I think most of the major brand name JHP ammo is going to perform about the same...it comes down to your preference and what is reliable with your individual handgun.

I've got Speer Gold Dot .40's in my Beretta on the night stand. Before I got the Gold Dots, I had Remington Golden Sabers (I switched because the Sabers I had were the non-bonded version, and I've seen a couple of articles about how those have a tendency to lose their jacket when expanding). Before I had the Beretta, I had Hornady Critical Defense .38 +P in my Blackhawk. Really, any one of these will do what they're advertised to do in the overwhelming majority of cases.

I found that Fiocchi makes some JHP loads with Hornady XTP bullets...these seem to be good, too. My little .380 feeds them reliably, anyway, and they're way cheaper than the premium brands.

DasBoost
06-03-2012, 6:18 PM
I personally use Hornady Critical Defense 185's (just shot some today and recoil is softer than WWB and MiWall reloads (Dirty stuff those are)) and Winchester PDX1 230s. Need to get some HSTs and Rangers to try as well.