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9mill
05-30-2012, 7:01 PM
Also Im only use to 30 30, what is the recoil like on these cals. compared to a 30 30? thanks much

Short Action Precision
05-30-2012, 7:03 PM
What type of rifle? Weight has a lot to do with it. I think recoil on both is not a big deal but if its a light rifle you might have issues with it. If its a hunting rig I would go with a 30-06 as most stores will have that type of hunting ammo in stock. If its for a precision rifle rig I would go with the 308.

Bhobbs
05-30-2012, 7:11 PM
What's the purpose? Using factory ammo, they will be pretty similar. There is a lot more factory match .308. What little factory match .30-06 is pretty anemic. If you hand load the .30-06 has a higher case capacity which can drive heavier bullets significantly faster than the .308 but would probably do better with a barrel from 26-28".

9mill
05-30-2012, 7:46 PM
bolt action, purpose is just having fun mainly.I will be hand loading. I read the 30 06 could use a longer barrel. which i why i ask cause both rifles have a 22" barrel.

Bhobbs
05-30-2012, 8:33 PM
I chose .30-06 because I wanted to use the 208 A-Max. I haven't come near a max load yet but the recoil is pretty stiff in the 700 SPS I have. I think the .308 would work great for you.

Hamstur
05-30-2012, 8:54 PM
Bhobbs hit that one! If you're really looking to shoot 190gr+ bullets, go for the 30-06. Otherwise, performance will be the same if your go-to is the standard 175/178.

If you're looking the send 155 screaming downrange, you'll also get better performance out of 30-06. My 20" bbl TRG maxes the 155 Palma at 2730fps using 46.5 Varget in Lapua. This load is too hot for all my other rifles becaues the TRG has a loose chamber. Would love to get that closer to 2900 cause it gets VERY squirrely in wind at 1000+ yards.

One of my shooting buddy's target loads for his 24" heavy-barrel 30-06 pushes 178 AMAX/175 SMK at ~2700fps. My two 22" bbl 308s pushes 2660fps. Recoil is noticably a touch lighter on my rifle.

Hoop
05-31-2012, 7:08 AM
I have a 22" 30-06 that I use for hunting. It's about the most caliber I can handle in a light rifle.

If you're looking for a plinking target etc rifle think about 223. Very little recoil and super accurate.

robert101
05-31-2012, 8:55 AM
On a 22" barrel I would go with the 308. You will not realize the full potential of the 30 06 in that barrel length so ballistically the two calibers are going to be very very similar. Not that they are already.

Cypriss32
05-31-2012, 10:51 AM
I had a 26" 30-06 rock 1-10 tw barrel. I was shooting the 190gr SMKS at 2975 out of it. 60.5grs RL22.......... Was awesome!

9mill
05-31-2012, 10:52 AM
thanks! guys

Californio
05-31-2012, 11:24 AM
With a 22" barrel I like the short action vs the long action so, 308 Winchester.

gun toting monkeyboy
05-31-2012, 11:38 AM
Umm... I don't know about not getting the full potential out of a 22" barrel. I think that 99% of the time the extra 20-30 fps you might get out of a longer tube is moot. And the .30-06 is not as accurate as a .308 when you get to the level of shooting in which that extra couple of inches matters, so what is the point?

As the others have stated, they are more or less the same up to the 190+ grain bullet range. .30-06 usually gets about 100 fps more when they are loaded with bullets that are the same weight. .308 is usually cheaper, and there is more available surplus out there for cheap plinking nowadays. The difference in felt recoil isn't all that great. On the other hand, .308 usually sells out before the .30-06 does when there is a rush on ammo. That is something you might want to consider if you are counting on stores for your supplies. If I were limited to just one rifle for hunting and plinking, I could live with either one of them. Especially if I was planning on reloading. Pick a rifle that fits you and go from there.

-Mb

Cypriss32
05-31-2012, 11:41 AM
And the .30-06 is not as accurate as a .308

As the others have stated, they are more or less the same up to the 190+ grain bullet range. .30-06 usually gets about 100 fps more when they are loaded with bullets that are the same weight.

-Mb

Thats not right AT ALL........ You cant shoot a 190gr bullet within 300fps of 30-06 velocities.
Do you have a 30-06 and shot hand loads or is this the typical thinking on forums, that 308 is the most accurate round ever and 30-06 is old and old thing suck?
Your sig fits you post well..........

Hamstur
05-31-2012, 1:48 PM
That 190gr mark is the great divide between the two. 30-06 match shooters (like Palma champ German Salazar) won't run less than ~2800fps on a 190 SMK -- given they are using 30" barrels. I'd blow up if I tried to achieve that 190gr mv in 308.

Folks not handloading haven't really delved into what the caliber is capable of. E.g., lots of folk benchmark 308 using FGMM175 or M118LR, but most competitive practical shooters regard them as very slow, charged with 42.2 4064 and 41.745 4064 respectively. 43-45gr of 4064 or Varget is where handloaders are sitting -- hotter for shorter barrels to wring out more mv within safety limits. Anybody who claims 30-06 is less accurate than 308 has never shot a match rifle chambered in 30-06 with handloads.

Think I have to go back & say:
- if OP handloads and intends to hunt, go 30-06
- if the picture if anywhere else than that go 308 cause you'll still wring out a good ~2600fps from FGMM175 with a standard bore 22" assuming 1:11-ish twist

gun toting monkeyboy
05-31-2012, 2:04 PM
Um... yeah. You know there are decaffinated brands that taste just as good as the real thing, Sparky. Perhaps if you were a bit less caffinated, you would have noticed the period at the end of that sentence. Normally that is placed there to denote the end of one thought and the beginning of another. There were 2 (two) distinct sentences there. The first one saying that they were almost the same with loads up to 190+ bullet range. Meaning that with loads using the same bullet weight up to that point they have similar ballistics. The 190+ denotes the begining of the range where that ceases to be the case. The second sentence clarifies the first by stating that at a given bullet weight (referring to the aforementioned range that you blew past in a caffine-driven rage), the .30-06 usually has an advantage of about 100 fps.

And yes, I have several of both flavors. And I reload both of them, and have for decades. That is multiple 10 (ten) year increments of time in case you haven't come down off your jittery Starbucks high. As for the .308 being more accurate, they have known that since the 1960s. No less than the reloading authority Ken Waters (you may have to google that one if you are too noob to know who that is) wrote a detailed article on the how's and why's of that way back then.

I suggest that the next time you think you want to respond to a post, you take a few minute and actually READ what you are responding to. It saves you from looking like male Equus africanus asinus. Which you did, by the way.

-Mb

motorwerks
05-31-2012, 2:16 PM
I'd do .308.

Bhobbs
05-31-2012, 2:30 PM
Um... yeah. You know there are decaffinated brands that taste just as good as the real thing, Sparky. Perhaps if you were a bit less caffinated, you would have noticed the period at the end of that sentence. Normally that is placed there to denote the end of one thought and the beginning of another. There were 2 (two) distinct sentences there. The first one saying that they were almost the same with loads up to 190+ bullet range. Meaning that with loads using the same bullet weight up to that point they have similar ballistics. The 190+ denotes the begining of the range where that ceases to be the case. The second sentence clarifies the first by stating that at a given bullet weight (referring to the aforementioned range that you blew past in a caffine-driven rage), the .30-06 usually has an advantage of about 100 fps.

And yes, I have several of both flavors. And I reload both of them, and have for decades. That is multiple 10 (ten) year increments of time in case you haven't come down off your jittery Starbucks high. As for the .308 being more accurate, they have known that since the 1960s. No less than the reloading authority Ken Waters (you may have to google that one if you are too noob to know who that is) wrote a detailed article on the how's and why's of that way back then.

I suggest that the next time you think you want to respond to a post, you take a few minute and actually READ what you are responding to. It saves you from looking like male Equus africanus asinus. Which you did, by the way.

-Mb

Way back when, sure the .308 was more accurate because the powders of the day didn't fill the .30-06 case up.

How about an article written recently by a guy that shoots both?

http://riflemansjournal.blogspot.com/2011/04/cartridges-sibling-rivalry-308-vs-30-06.html

9mill
05-31-2012, 3:48 PM
thanks I think Im beginning to see how similiar they are. thanks to those that replied!!

gun toting monkeyboy
05-31-2012, 4:13 PM
thanks I think Im beginning to see how similiar they are. thanks to those that replied!!

It really is 6 of one, a half dozen of the other. The odds are slight that you will see any noticeable difference between the two unless you are a competition level shooter.

-Mb

jwkincal
05-31-2012, 4:13 PM
I have a 30-30 and a 30-06; the difference in recoil is not trivial... but it's not nearly as much as the difference between the AR and the 30-30.

The difference in potential for accuracy is real, but it's very very small. Most shooters wouldn't be able to wring that difference out of the platform.

The difference in propellant capacity is also real... but in terms of terminal performance there won't be a spectacular variance.

Choose the one that feels best in your hands.

Red Devil
05-31-2012, 7:27 PM
For a civilian bolt gun...?

...30-06 all day long.

22" Bbl. is fine for both Ballistics and handling.

You will only lose ~ 25-30 fps MV total compared to the 24" Bbl.
(as opposed to ~ 25 fps PER INCH from 22" down to 18")


IMR 4895 for the 150-165 grain bullets.

IMR 4350 for the 165-200 grain bullets.


Remington Core-Lokt or Speer DeepCurl Bullets will give you ~ MOA loads (especially if you set the bullet seating depth just off the lands)

The 308 is a Military/LEO/ultra-light short action round that does not accept bullets heaver than ~ 168 grain w/ any grace.



I'd recommend the .270 Win./150 grain set-up for a bolt gun over either one, but that's just me. :D