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dadoody
05-27-2012, 3:42 PM
My 1st handgun:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i206/dadoody/P1010457.jpg

My 2nd revolver:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i206/dadoody/photobucket-13203-1338223403135.jpg

3rd revolver:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i206/dadoody/821883102_photobucket_9573_.jpg

For that last picture, the Armscor, I would tell you people to spend the extra hundred dollars and buy a Rossi 357 instead. The Armscor m206 cylinder binds after 30-40 shots due to metal expansion from heat. One time the side plate buldged out during shooting. Probably also due to metal expansion. I keep it well maintained and oiled, but this thing is only reliable up to 30 or 40 shots in a long shooting session. Its fine for an emergency situation though.

Mr. Beretta
05-27-2012, 4:07 PM
Deal of the year!

Buy it or tell where I can buy it!

The model 28 (Highway Patrolman 6" or 4" ) barrel is a rock solid, shoot any 38, 38+P, 38+P+, 357 mag N frame revolver.

Deal of the year!

-hanko
05-27-2012, 4:24 PM
Price is outstanding, particularly considering the gun is in CA.

DO IT.

-hanko

rromeo
05-27-2012, 4:26 PM
$350 is a good price for a 28 anywhere in this country.

Revoman
05-27-2012, 4:42 PM
Model 28's are tanks, large N frame, shoots anything. $350 is a decent price even with the issues that you describe. They do not have the high-gloss blueing, only matte. A whale of a good firearm.

Although the 586 is also a great firearm, I would opt for the Model 28....plus it doesn't have the IL!

gunafficionado
05-27-2012, 4:51 PM
Go for it!! I haven't heard of no-lock N frames going for that low price in years. model 28's are solid, reliable revolvers.

BigDogatPlay
05-27-2012, 4:54 PM
If the gun is mechanically sound, then $350 is just fine even with a worn finish on a Model 28. You can always have it refinished with a hard chrome or similar later on and not feel bad at all. 28's are shooters, very rare does one find a truly mint, collectible one.

And if you don't buy it, please post it's location so I can get photos of Calgunners stampeding the place.

:D

Biigg50
05-27-2012, 4:55 PM
I have a model 28 that is in excellent condition. It is my favorite 357 for every load, the heaviest loads available are very manageable, and the trigger is one of the smoothest as well as extremely fast.
Great gun for the price!

Fishslayer
05-27-2012, 5:27 PM
I'd be all over the M28, especially if it's a 4" P&R model. Brand new 586 doesn't interest me much, but that's just me.

23 Blast
05-27-2012, 5:39 PM
I look at it this way: I can always get a brand-new firearm when and if I decide to and of funds permit. I cannot always find a good deal on a good vintage firearm that's in good condition. It's like the difference between getting a used Garand in excellent condition, or a brand-new M1A.

dadoody
05-27-2012, 5:45 PM
If the gun is mechanically sound, then $350 is just fine even with a worn finish on a Model 28. You can always have it refinished with a hard chrome or similar later on and not feel bad at all. 28's are shooters, very rare does one find a truly mint, collectible one.

And if you don't buy it, please post it's location so I can get photos of Calgunners stampeding the place.

:D

Will do. Its pretty far from Sonoma County though.

Gryff
05-27-2012, 6:08 PM
I like the 586, but I find that used S&W revolvers always nicer to shoot than new ones. The triggers just get better with use.

Unless the 28 is a rattle trap that is going to need a ton of mechanical work, I'd say that's the one to get.

kurac
05-27-2012, 6:29 PM
maybe this will help

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b197/KuracBoban/Model28008.jpg

but seriously, any functional N-frame for less than $500 is a smoking deal. If you don't like it for some reason, I am sure you could get more than you paid for it, the same could not be said for the new 586

Mr. Beretta
05-27-2012, 6:48 PM
maybe this will help

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b197/KuracBoban/Model28008.jpg

but seriously, any functional N-frame for less than $500 is a smoking deal. If you don't like it for some reason, I am sure you could get more than you paid for it, the same could not be said for the new 586



Now that's a gun!

snafu510
05-27-2012, 7:13 PM
I believe the customary discussion board response is "buy both". If I could only have one I'd get the 28. You won't notice the worn finish once you start shooting it.

GMG
05-27-2012, 8:00 PM
Will do. Its pretty far from Sonoma County though.

Is it north or south from Sonoma County?

ckprax
05-27-2012, 10:20 PM
Not even a question, $350 is a steal. New S&W are not a good value.

Fishslayer
05-27-2012, 10:25 PM
Does the new 586 come with or without infernal lock?

I'd still go for the M28-2 regardless. Just curious. Some of the new J frames are sans Hillary Hole.

Snapping Twig
05-27-2012, 10:36 PM
Let me be the first to say buy both the 28 and ... a pre lock 586, not the 2012 one.

If you don't mind the IL, MIM and the ECM rifling, then the 2012 version is OK, but I mind it enough to buy an older one - which I did.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a51/SnappingTwig1/P9180001.jpg

Fishslayer
05-27-2012, 11:11 PM
Nice prop rod. Know where I can get one of those? :D

Let me be the first to say buy both the 28 and ... a pre lock 586, not the 2012 one.

If you don't mind the IL, MIM and the ECM rifling, then the 2012 version is OK, but I mind it enough to buy an older one - which I did.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a51/SnappingTwig1/P9180001.jpg

CapnHawk
05-28-2012, 12:08 AM
Get the Model 28 - Period!

bsg
05-28-2012, 2:01 AM
Model 28.

dadoody
05-28-2012, 4:08 AM
He'll be bringing it buy later in the week for me to inspect.

I guess if it is mechanically sound, I'll buy it.

What do people do with revolver finishes now a days anyways?

Should I tannerite? Or should I duracoat or whatever?

rromeo
05-28-2012, 4:31 AM
I don't do anything with revolver finishes these days, other than keep wearing it off.

dadoody
05-28-2012, 6:11 AM
He'll be bringing it buy later in the week for me to inspect.

I guess if it is mechanically sound, I'll buy it.

What do people do with revolver finishes now a days anyways?

Should I tannerite? Or should I duracoat or whatever?

OK, I probably won't refinish it soon as a I guess a mechanically sound ugly gun I can take out a lot more.

-hanko
05-28-2012, 9:08 AM
I guess if it is mechanically sound, I'll buy it.

What do people do with revolver finishes now a days anyways?

Should I tannerite? Or should I duracoat or whatever?
Personally, I'd leave it as it is.

If I were to refinish, I'd ship the gun to Doug Turnbull...http://www.turnbullmfg.com/ . His work is as good as it gets. SW performance center can quote you on a refinish, but I don't think they use the same bluing process as they did when gun was made.

"Tannerite" is the active ingredient in exploding targets. I think Duracoat on a revolver would look like $h1te, imo.

You'll love the gun. I got mine years ago from a CHP Lt. Major kick arse loads don't faze it.

-hanko

dadoody
05-28-2012, 10:04 AM
Personally, I'd leave it as it is.

If I were to refinish, I'd ship the gun to Doug Turnbull...http://www.turnbullmfg.com/ . His work is as good as it gets. SW performance center can quote you on a refinish, but I don't think they use the same bluing process as they did when gun was made.

"Tannerite" is the active ingredient in exploding targets. I think Duracoat on a revolver would look like $h1te, imo.

You'll love the gun. I got mine years ago from a CHP Lt. Major kick arse loads don't faze it.

-hanko

I'm all about balance. I have a 6inch GP100 that handles heavy loads with ease, but too much weight at the front due to the heavy full lug barrel. I'm been reading around, and I guess the Model 28 4inch is pretty balanced. I hope its in good mechanical condition when I see it later this week. I really do.

I came out of the shop still leaning towards a new 586, but all the info I've been reading is making me tilt towards the 28 very heavily.

As for Tannerite, I meant Tennifer...or Melonite QPQ. Whatever they call Nitrocarburizing around here.

kurac
05-28-2012, 10:13 AM
The model 28 has more of a matt utility finish, the top of the barrel and frame as weill as the bottom of the frame have kind of a blue over bead blast finish, the sides of the barrel and frame have blueing over a light polish thought there is some variation. If I got one that was heavily worn, I would be tempted to hard crome it.

The are great revolvers, in their time, they were working guns, kind of like the Glock of revolvers, everything you want, nothing you don't need.

-hanko
05-28-2012, 11:00 AM
I came out of the shop still leaning towards a new 586, but all the info I've been reading is making me tilt towards the 28 very heavily.

As for Tannerite, I meant Tennifer...or Melonite QPQ. Whatever they call Nitrocarburizing around here.
I can see zero advantage to the 586 over the 28, unless you're stuck on gotta'-be-new.

Nitrocarburzing processing temperatures range from around 950 to 1150F...I'd think twice or maybe three times before subjecting any gun to that. Call Turnbull and see what he recommends. He is the revolver restoration go-to guy.

-hanko

Snapping Twig
05-28-2012, 2:01 PM
I keep hearing about the finish, the finish, the finish....

If an old gun has blueing wear, clean and then alcohol the bald spot and cold blue it - done.

It's a GUN, it's a tool that's not an accessory, not a Swiss watch, not a fashion statement.

FWIW, the cylinder of a 28 (N frame) is shorter than the cylinder of a 586 (L frame). This is more important for reloaders, but what it means is that longer, heavier bullets can be loaded and more case capacity is available to move them in the L frame.

Fishslayer
05-28-2012, 7:09 PM
I keep hearing about the finish, the finish, the finish....
If an old gun has blueing wear, clean and then alcohol the bald spot and cold blue it - done.


If an old Smith has blueing wear it means I can probably maybe afford it! ;)

checkenbach
05-28-2012, 7:24 PM
I agree that the M-28 is a ripping good deal, but if the O.P. has competition in mind(IDPA), the M-28 may be a bit overweight. I have a 6" M-28 set up as a Bullseye gun, and it's awesome!!!

pyromensch
05-28-2012, 8:49 PM
i have a 6" m28, and it is the sweetest shooter i have

if you don't go big, don't go at all

pyromensch
05-28-2012, 8:50 PM
I agree that the M-28 is a ripping good deal, but if the O.P. has competition in mind(IDPA), the M-28 may be a bit overweight. I have a 6" M-28 set up as a Bullseye gun, and it's awesome!!!

as i remember, Jerry Miculek, started out with a m27

checkenbach
05-28-2012, 10:48 PM
^^ 5" barrels were allowed then too.

dadoody
05-29-2012, 5:41 AM
IDPA?

I'm happy when I can just hit the paper.

dadoody
05-29-2012, 6:04 AM
Well, I guess I've made up my mind. I'll see the goods soon.

If I get it, it'll be my 4th revolver:

My 1st handgun:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i206/dadoody/P1010457.jpg

My 2nd revolver:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i206/dadoody/photobucket-13203-1338223403135.jpg

3rd revolver:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i206/dadoody/821883102_photobucket_9573_.jpg

For that last picture, the Armscor, I would tell you people to spend the extra hundred dollars and buy a Rossi 357 instead. The Armscor m206 cylinder binds after 30-40 shots due to metal expansion from heat. One time the side plate buldged out during shooting. Probably also due to metal expansion. I keep it well maintained and oiled, but this thing is only reliable up to 30 or 40 shots in a long shooting session. Its fine for an emergency situation though.