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ThatSameRick
05-26-2012, 4:03 PM
As far as I know, individuals in California are not allowed to possess or purchase revolvers (such as the various Taurus Judge or S&W Governor models) that will fire .410 gauge shotgun rounds. The rationale seems to be that these are “short-barreled shotguns,” as defined under California Penal Code Section 12020. That is, they will fire shotgun shells, and have barrels less than 18” in length.

So the mystery is this: why does the California DOJ list the Taurus 454 Casull stainless revolver as a handgun permitted for purchase? It will fire .410 shotgun shells, and has a barrel length of 8-3/8”. I do not see how Section 12020 could apply to the Taurus Judge and S&W Governor and not to the Taurus Raging Bull. Does anyone know?

For DOJ citation, see: http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/safeguns_resp.asp

Intimid8tor
05-26-2012, 4:09 PM
Don't give them ideas.

Librarian
05-26-2012, 4:11 PM
The .454 Casull doesn't say it is (A) A firearm which is designed or redesigned to fire a fixed
shotgun shell and having a barrel or barrels of less than 18
inches in length.

kielbasavw
05-26-2012, 4:15 PM
I've seen .45 cci shot shells or something like that. 100+ birdshot. Just use those

Bastard
05-26-2012, 4:17 PM
don't even bother trying to figure out what California does, attempting to do so would be an exercise in futility and would ultimately lead to uncontrollable fits of cynicism, unintelligible rants, back pain, bleeding of the stomach, heartburn, male pattern baldness... you get the idea.

oh and what the Librarian said too

Mr.1904
05-26-2012, 4:18 PM
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

morrcarr67
05-26-2012, 4:29 PM
It really is just as Librarian said.

It's because they are marketing them as being able to fire a shotgun shell.

If S&W made new gun identicle to the Governor and called it the Terminator but only listed it as being chambered for the .45LC then it might be ok.

Root66
05-26-2012, 4:43 PM
So the mystery is this: why does the California DOJ list the Taurus 454 Casull stainless revolver as a handgun permitted for purchase? It will fire .410 shotgun shells, and has a barrel length of 8-3/8”.

How short do they make .410 shells?

I own a Raging Bull in .454 Casull and it won't chamber a 2 1/4" .410 shotgun shell...not even close. Diameter is right but the cylinder bore depth isn't, only chambers about 2/3 of the way. (1 1/2")

Cali-V
05-26-2012, 4:45 PM
I don't think this the RAGING BULL MODEL 454, 454 CASULL REVOLVER will chamber .410
http://www.taurususa.com/images/imagesMain/454SS8M.jpg

This one, RAGING JUDGE M513 REVOLVER .454 CASULL, .45 COLT, .410 GA - 6 SHOTS will....

http://www.taurususa.com/images/imagesMain/513SS6_1.jpg

ThatSameRick
05-29-2012, 9:31 AM
Thank you, gentlemen, for your responses, which include one from a man who actually owns one, and says that it will not chamber .410 shells. Now I know more.