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DrjonesUSA
05-09-2007, 9:21 PM
From everybody's favorite senator.....


http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/48722742_firearms_feinstein_senator_feinstein_lead s_senate_coalition_regulate_50_bmg_caliber_combat_


Feinstein: Senator Feinstein Leads Senate Coalition to Regulate .50 BMG Caliber Combat-Style Sniper Rifle

Wed, 05/09/2007 - 12:07



Long-Range Sniper Rifle Safety Act of 2007

This legislation would:

* Add the .50 BMG caliber sniper rifle to the list of firearms classified as “destructive devices” under the National Firearms Act, which would mean they must be registered when purchased or sold;

* Require the same registration for any “copycat” sniper rifles that might be developed in the future with destructive power that is equivalent to the .50 BMG caliber sniper rifle; and

* Allow people who already possess .50 BMG caliber sniper weapons up to seven years to register their existing firearms by implementing a registration process identical to what was used when “street sweeper” and other firearms were reclassified as “destructive devices” in 1994.


May 8, 2007 -- Washington, DC – U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), today introduced legislation to regulate the transfer and possession of .50 BMG caliber sniper rifles, which have extraordinary firepower and range (more than a mile with accuracy, with a maximum distance of up to four miles). These combat-style weapons are capable of bringing down airliners and helicopters that are taking off or landing, puncturing pressurized chemical storage facilities, and penetrating light armored personnel vehicles and protective limousines.

Current federal law classifies all .50 caliber rifles as “long guns,” subject to the least government regulation for any firearm. While the State Department has acknowledged the danger of these weapons by suspending all export of .50 BMG caliber sniper rifles weapons for civilian use in foreign countries, these weapons can still be purchased in the United States with little to no regulation.

“These are combat-style weapons designed to kill people efficiently and destroy machinery at a great distance. This legislation would regulate these dangerous combat weapons, making it harder for terrorists and others to buy them for illegitimate use,” Senator Feinstein said. “This legislation doesn’t ban any firearms; it would only institute common-sense regulations for the sale of these dangerous sniper rifles”

The legislation is co-sponsored by Senators Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.), Carl Levin (D-Mi), Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.), Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.), Richard Durbin (D-Ill.), Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), and Frank Lautenberg (D- N.J.).

A .50 BMG caliber sniper rifle weighs up to 28 pounds and fires the most powerful commonly available cartridges – the massive Browning Machine Gun cartridge, which has a diameter of ½ inch and a length of 3-6 inches.

A broad coalition of law enforcement organizations have called on Congress to regulate .50 caliber sniper rifles, including:

* International Brotherhood of Police Officers,
* Major Cities Chiefs Association,
* National Black Police Association,
* Hispanic American Police Command Officers Association,
* National Latino Peace Officers Association,
* The Police Foundation, and others.

The law enforcement groups have noted that “it is of special concern to the law enforcement community that these weapons of war are capable of penetrating our special operations vehicles, tactical equipment, and helicopters,” and warned that “their easy availability on the civilian market make them very attractive to potential terrorists.”


Source: Senator Dianne Feinstein

shawnyteee
05-09-2007, 9:29 PM
if we were to think the worst of the worst..... everything will be ban. Neuter us more plx.

TKM
05-09-2007, 9:32 PM
Dear Ms. Feinstein, if you are going to guess the size of my favorite toy, make it 4 to 7 inches.

Thank you.

wutzu
05-09-2007, 9:35 PM
I remember reading in Air & Space a few years ago about a helicopter getting shot down in Montana with a Compound bow with broadheads. Surely these dangerous bows and arrows should be banned as well?

dfletcher
05-09-2007, 9:49 PM
I'd like to ask these sponsors if any of them can name a single crime ever committed with a 50 cal rifle? I doubt it makes any difference to them the answer is probably none.

hoffmang
05-09-2007, 9:57 PM
Well, lets see. A .50 BMG rifle is an excellent sniper weapon. Sniping is likely to be one of the most effective responses to tyranny should it happen here. Anybody see a correlation between those in power and their desire to pass these restrictions?

This is a Miller, Parker protected weapon too.

-Gene

MisterDudeManGuy
05-09-2007, 10:06 PM
So, does that mean that I need to get my DTC now to get grandfathered in, or will I have to surrender it when then ban comes? I was on the sidelines during the streetsweeper deal, so I don't know how that went down.

If I have to sell a nut to buy a DTC today, I'll do it to get grandfathered in!

elsolo
05-09-2007, 10:50 PM
"A .50 BMG caliber sniper rifle weighs up to 28 pounds"
Mine weighs 40 pounds, but then again I don't do any "sniping", just target shooting, like I did this morning.


the massive Browning Machine Gun cartridge, which has a diameter of ½ inch and a length of 3-6 inches.
Is this a push to include any chambering as a "50BMG", as there is no .50bmg that is only 3" long, even the brass is 3.910" long. Using "1/2 inch" to denote the diameter, if one were to consider significant figures, would make anything bigger than .249 a "1/2 inch"

Sutcliffe
05-09-2007, 11:23 PM
now that she's stepped down from the Appropriations committee that made her and her husband millions.

bg
05-09-2007, 11:37 PM
This bill should be called the "Chicken Little" bill..

C123K_LoadMaster
05-09-2007, 11:48 PM
Check this out. EDITED -leelaw expressly exempted the following 50 BMG riles in the 1994 Crime Bill she authored. She classified them as Hunting Guns and Other Recreational Weapons Exempted in the Legislation.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

• Barrett Model 90 Bolt-Action Rifle
• McMillan Combo M-87/M-88 50-Caliber Rifle

See list: http://feinstein.senate.gov/exempted_guns.html

MisterDudeManGuy
05-10-2007, 5:47 AM
This is typical socialist thinking.

Of course everyone is equal, whether citizen or not, so they won't protect our borders. Never mind the reduction in our quality of life.

Of course they won't "impose our will" upon others, so we are wrong to fight terrorists where they are. Never mind that we have been under attack for over 20 years.

Of course they won't jail people with criminal tendencies, because their misbehavior isn't their fault - they are a product of society. Never mind that repeat offenders commit the bulk of the crime.

And now they have to ban all weapons because the socialists who fail to act in any meaningful manner against real threats can only imagine what sorts of things can happen if... If others act the way they do with our rights.

Their kind do not understand freedom with responsibility. They only understand restrictions since they view all of humanity as they are - opportunists.

The Soup Nazi
05-10-2007, 5:55 AM
I remember reading in Air & Space a few years ago about a helicopter getting shot down in Montana with a Compound bow with broadheads. Surely these dangerous bows and arrows should be banned as well?

http://www.losanjealous.com/img/06/a/rambo.gif
We need bow control.

Scarecrow Repair
05-10-2007, 7:45 AM
We need bow control.

Considering how heavy people are getting, I think we need more stern control. Cosmetic surgery has done enough for the bows.

Glock22Fan
05-10-2007, 8:03 AM
If these rifles are capable of bringing down airliners, why do terrorists and the military persist in using those expensive SAMs?

And when gang bangers are looking for some cheap, disposable firepower, I'm sure that the $8000 28lb rifle, with ammo at more than $2.00/pop, is high on their list. I'd sure like to see them shoot one of those, one handed gangsta style.

On a serious note, I shot a Barrett a few months back - awesome.

And Feinstein and her cronies couldn't care less about whether this caliber is more dangerous than any other, they are just whittling away at the elephant, one bite at a time; whatever they think they can demonize next.

I sent an email to Barrett's applauding their decision not to sell .50 BMG to Cal law enforcement. Got a nice reply. If we could pursuade all makers to take a similar stand, we'd be making some progress. How about the magazine manufacturers refusing to sell high-cap mags anywhere that civilians can't buy them?

mikehaas
05-10-2007, 9:05 AM
http://fiftycal.org/newletters/alert070509/

(BTW, I wrote that alert. JB was busy, needed help.)

Mike

DrjonesUSA
05-10-2007, 2:11 PM
Bump......

Hunter
05-10-2007, 2:36 PM
So, does that mean that I need to get my DTC now to get grandfathered in, or will I have to surrender it when then ban comes? I was on the sidelines during the streetsweeper deal, so I don't know how that went down.

If I have to sell a nut to buy a DTC today, I'll do it to get grandfathered in!


Wouldn't do you any good here in CA. Since this bill makes these NFA guns, we are not allowed to have NFA guns in CA (at least not for the average person). So while the BATF would grandfather you in, you would need to have an out of state address to keep/store them at.

Bottomline is that this bill would ban these guns in CA and other states that donot allow NFA guns.

ElCUBANO
05-10-2007, 3:02 PM
Nfa Or No Nfa The State Of California Has Already Registered My 50 Cal's To Me Just Cause The Feds Decided To Change Their Status Doesn't Give The State The Right To Take My Property.

Annie Oakley
05-10-2007, 6:38 PM
To everyone reading this thread:

After the VT shooting, I wrote a letter to Senator Feinstein regarding her strong anti-gun position. I was very polite and received back a pointless form letter from her outlining all the anti-gun laws she helped to create. Also, this form letter invited me to visit Senator Feinstein in Washington D.C. and have lunch with her while I express my concerns to her regarding California and the United States. Seeing this, I went to her website, and noticed that anyone can let her know when they are visiting D.C. and spend lunch with her.

As I read this thread, I thought, "hm, I wonder how that would work if alot of gunowners decided to visit Senator Feinstein for lunch. Would she listen, or just stop inviting her constituents to lunch. I think it's worth thinking about.

arguy15
05-10-2007, 9:10 PM
This is not a mute issue for California. Constructive possession does not exist in California, but does exist on the federal level. So, lets say you have a .50 BMG upper and a AR lower. In California you do not have a .50 BMG, but according to the FEDS you would. So in theory it may affect a few individuals that live close to the boarder and shoot .50 in the great state of Nevada. Also from what I understand there is indead some California legal NFA items.

mark3lb
05-11-2007, 8:46 AM
The Liberal Koolaid drinkers won't be happy until only the criminals have guns and the entire population is unarmed and defenseless. Hitler had the same goal.

mark3lb
05-11-2007, 8:48 AM
This is not a mute issue for California. Constructive possession does not exist in California, but does exist on the federal level. So, lets say you have a .50 BMG upper and a AR lower. In California you do not have a .50 BMG, but according to the FEDS you would. So in theory it may affect a few individuals that live close to the boarder and shoot .50 in the great state of Nevada. Also from what I understand there is indead some California legal NFA items.

50.bmg upper with AR lower? Is there such a thing? I know about Beowulf, bmg?

jmlivingston
05-11-2007, 9:16 AM
50.bmg upper with AR lower? Is there such a thing? I know about Beowulf, bmg?

Yup! There's a few options out there for .50BMG on an AR-style receiver. Check these out:

www.ferret50.com
www.ultramag50.com

If you don't already have a receiver registered with the state as a 50bmg it's not going to do you any good.... Though I think a registered AW ar15 can be used without having been separately registered as a 50BMG. Since I don't have a registered AR that's not an area I'm up to speed on.

John

ldivinag
05-11-2007, 11:58 AM
she should lead a movement to ban trains and and SUVs...

just this week, a family of 6 was killed when their SUV got stuck in a RR crossing and a train ran into them...


[/sarcasm]

xenophobe
05-11-2007, 12:54 PM
So if I have to register it as a destructive device, California would have to issue me a permit, and then I could just buy a M203.

Nice. ;)

leelaw
05-11-2007, 1:54 PM
Lets knock off the name-calling, regardless how funny it is or how well it rhymes with her name.

bwiese
05-11-2007, 2:11 PM
This is not a mute issue for California. Constructive possession does not exist in California, but does exist on the federal level.


Constructive possession certainly does not apply to *AWs* in CA.

So, lets say you have a .50 BMG upper and a AR lower. In California you do not have a .50 BMG,

That is uncertain at this point. CA 50BMG and AW matters are not mix'n'match.

[For CA level, it is indeed moot if the AR lower is a reg'd AW - as reg'd AWs can have 50BMG attribute and not require 2nd registration as 50BMGs.]

50BMG, however, is not a transitioning attribute or characteristic feature for 122761.PC AW status.

It is somewhat up in the air whether or not a separate 50BMG upper + a lower is or is not a 50BMG rifle. And no AG/DOJ opinion letter exists on this, unlike for features-based AW matters.

We have zero reading on this. 50BMG law is similar to, but separate from, AW law (i.e., different permits, different registration type, etc.). It is true that MG constructive possession concepts are specifically codified in 12200. (SBR/SBS may be too, not sure.) The lack of constructive posession codifcation in this area is certainly a help, but there's no assistance of an opinion letter for estoppel/reliance defense. (The argument here against constructive possesion would be that if they took the time and trouble to write the 50BMG ban in such excruciating detail down to the cartridge size specs to nearest 0.001" inch, and they did not incorproate a parallel form that was readily apparent in 12200 for MGs, that they did not intend constructive possession.)

Regardless of the Fed 50 ban - which is proposed and I don't think has a chance of passing - I would urge extreme caution at the state level about having an unreg'd 50BMG upper and a separated mating lower.

You may well have a defendable case but it may go a lot further than a separated AW parts case which has a very nice DOJ opinion letter saying constructive possession doesn't apply (in addition to the lack of such language in AW law suite (12275PC et seq).



but according to the FEDS you would. So in theory it may affect a few individuals that live close to the boarder and shoot .50 in the great state of Nevada.

It depends on how the law would be written. 'Constructive possession' does apply to MGs, SBSes, SBRs and silencer parts. It may not apply to these - that's up in the air. Also, 'constructive possession' appears not to have gotten traction for the now-expired 1994 Fed AW ban, or for 922(r)-related matters.

DrjonesUSA
05-11-2007, 3:39 PM
To everyone reading this thread:

After the VT shooting, I wrote a letter to Senator Feinstein regarding her strong anti-gun position. I was very polite and received back a pointless form letter from her outlining all the anti-gun laws she helped to create. Also, this form letter invited me to visit Senator Feinstein in Washington D.C. and have lunch with her while I express my concerns to her regarding California and the United States. Seeing this, I went to her website, and noticed that anyone can let her know when they are visiting D.C. and spend lunch with her.

As I read this thread, I thought, "hm, I wonder how that would work if alot of gunowners decided to visit Senator Feinstein for lunch. Would she listen, or just stop inviting her constituents to lunch. I think it's worth thinking about.

Hi Annie. Welcome to the forum and thanks for your post in my thread.

Gun-banners like Feinstein have made it clear time and time again that they simply do not care to be confused with truth, facts or opinions contrary to theirs - their little minds are already made up and they are going to do as they please regardless.

I certainly wouldn't be opposed to meeting with the senator, but I very highly doubt it would be any more productive than me bashing my head against a brick wall for an hour or so.

DC is such a pretty town....perhaps I will try to schedule a visit with her the next time I'm out there.

But the million dollar question is: who picks up the tab for lunch? :D

megavolt121
05-11-2007, 3:49 PM
But the million dollar question is: who picks up the tab for lunch? :D

You do... you either:
1) Pull out your credit card and pay
2) She pulls out a credit card and pays, and than reimburses it and you pay with your taxes.

lazuris
05-12-2007, 12:34 PM
But the million dollar question is: who picks up the tab for lunch?



You will whether you know it or not. You'll pay for it on the front end with your hard earned cash. Or they'll take it from you on the back end, as you get soaked at tax time.

Jarhead4
05-12-2007, 12:43 PM
To everyone reading this thread:

After the VT shooting, I wrote a letter to Senator Feinstein regarding her strong anti-gun position. I was very polite and received back a pointless form letter from her outlining all the anti-gun laws she helped to create. Also, this form letter invited me to visit Senator Feinstein in Washington D.C. and have lunch with her while I express my concerns to her regarding California and the United States. Seeing this, I went to her website, and noticed that anyone can let her know when they are visiting D.C. and spend lunch with her.

As I read this thread, I thought, "hm, I wonder how that would work if alot of gunowners decided to visit Senator Feinstein for lunch. Would she listen, or just stop inviting her constituents to lunch. I think it's worth thinking about.

I should take her up on that. I will be out there next week.

superhondaz50
05-13-2007, 8:15 AM
I propose a ban on the use senator Feinstein, as she is a destructive device towards scoiety. :D

DrjonesUSA
05-19-2007, 4:28 PM
Bump.........