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five.five-six
05-24-2012, 11:37 AM
FN FAL .308 match, I am trying to get some info on this rifle. I have very little idea if this rifle is rare or common. I also can not figure out if the scope mount is part of the original configuration or an aftermarket part. There seems to be a lot of variants and I am trying to figure out what I have on my hands. Any info would be appreciated. Before someone chimes in with "Hey, That's illegal in California", rest assured that no laws are being broken.


Now for the gun Pron

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9908/dsc00017zxu.jpg

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4532/dsc00022reb.jpg

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/421/dsc00021ok.jpg

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/867/dsc00019fw.jpg

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1844/dsc00010as.jpg

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2941/dsc00008op.jpg

five.five-six
05-24-2012, 11:44 AM
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6135/dsc00006av.jpg

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/2782/dsc00010tz.jpg

Dirtbiker
05-24-2012, 11:47 AM
I've never seen one but any FN built or marked FAL is worth a bunch of $ I'd bet this one even more so.

nismobishi
05-24-2012, 12:42 PM
Wow! I want it....

Root66
05-24-2012, 1:06 PM
Being as how the scope mount is riveted to the dust cover rather than screwed, I'd say it's a factory configuration. It's definitely a beauty.

GM4spd
05-24-2012, 1:49 PM
Banned by name in CA,nice ORIGINAL Belgian. Scope mount is not part of the original equipment,imported by Sports South probably in early 80s any of the original Belgians usually go for in excess of 3K.This is a METRIC FAL not an INCH! Pete

lowprofile
05-24-2012, 1:53 PM
Nice FAL! That looks like a standard FAL with a factory scope mount. The ".308 MATCH" was used instead of 7.62x51 to make it sound less military-like. They stopped importing them in '89 and it's Belgian made, so I'm guessing it's pretty desirable.:)

SFSig
05-24-2012, 1:57 PM
Beauty...

I just ordered a FAL, but in doing my research it seems like you've got something rather rare. All the FALs I've seen are parts guns built on American receivers or full reproductions. Looks like you've got a preban rifle there. It looks like the muzzle device is a flash hider and not a muzzle brake (definitely could be wrong to my untrained eye). The scope mount looks unusual too. You need to put a SUIT scope on it.

How much are you asking for it? :tt1:

SFSig
05-24-2012, 2:07 PM
Also, try posting over at http://www.falfiles.com/forums/index.php

Jon Wang
05-24-2012, 2:21 PM
Could you / would you share more FAL porn? It's a beaut.

crazychinaman
05-24-2012, 2:49 PM
It is a pre ban 80's FAl.Band by name in CAli.Looks like the inch versions,Does the mag have a big bump in the front of the mag.If so it is inch pattern rifle.If it has a little dimple then it is metric version.They are nice.I have several FAl's myself.Also that is a factory scope mount.Those mount are hard to find.The real Belguims go for at least 3 grand.

brownfeathermedic
05-24-2012, 3:01 PM
Yup, that my boy is an Original FAL. Its worth some cash , I could kick myself in the Arsh for not buying mine in "82" for a mere $900.00 cash and carry. that one is a Fine Rifle. Supposedly the Match rifles were tuned with hand select parts.

five.five-six
05-24-2012, 3:19 PM
Also, try posting over at http://www.falfiles.com/forums/index.php

I have been trying to get an account activated there for about a week, but it seems just like AK files, it took a while before they activated my account.


I would like a definitive answer on that scope mount. That gun is part of a larger collection. In that collection, I have yet to find anything that was not as it came from the factory. So, even though it looks a little suspect... I suspect that it may be part of a very limited production or a special order configuration. The parkerization matches the rest of the gun almost exactly, That with the context of the rest of the collection it makes me think that this may just be something really special.

five.five-six
05-24-2012, 3:46 PM
Could you / would you share more FAL porn? It's a beaut.

I have not gotten to processing it yet, but he does have at least one identical friend.. well, the other one has no scope mount and seems to have been shot at least a few times, the gas port has been adjusted.

Plisk
05-24-2012, 3:53 PM
Those FN rifles, especially the Match ones are very nice weapons. The smoothest cycling FAL I've ever held. They are nice for sure. As far as rarity, I can't say. In calli of course, outside no clue.

lowprofile
05-24-2012, 5:00 PM
Dollars to donuts it's an FN STANAG mount. The folks at falfiles will know for sure how to verify it along with the rifle.

SFSig
05-24-2012, 5:13 PM
I have been trying to get an account activated there for about a week, but it seems just like AK files, it took a while before they activated my account.

It takes a week or so till you get posting privileges. Frustrating...

five.five-six
05-24-2012, 5:52 PM
It takes a week or so till you get posting privileges. Frustrating...

Well then, that's a week longer that those FALs will sit in the safe in all likelihood. Funny part is that I bet that there are more than a few people there that would be chomping at the bit to get first crack at either of them.

Twystd1
05-24-2012, 9:49 PM
I looked up stanag scope mounts for an hour. I can't find that one.

five.five-six
05-24-2012, 10:09 PM
I looked up stanag scope mounts for an hour. I can't find that one.

funny, I found one and was not even looking for it.... Now, what to do with it :shrug:

FTC
05-24-2012, 10:30 PM
That thing is nice! I'm guessing 3g's. Is it sear cut?

five.five-six
05-24-2012, 11:12 PM
That thing is nice! I'm guessing 3g's. Is it sear cut?

How would I know if the sear was cut?

Muscles Glasses
05-24-2012, 11:40 PM
How would I know if the sear was cut?

It is not a question of whether or not a sear was cut but if there is a cut in the rifle to accept a sear. In order to find this out take off the dust cover and remove the bolt/carrier. With the barrel in front and the stock closest to you look down into the gun. The area just behind the magwell where the rear end of the magazine is supposed to go is called the ejector block. From right to left you should be able to see the bolt catch, ejector fin, and (if you have a sear cut rifle) an opening all the way against the left, inside edge of the receiver for the safety sear to pop through.

five.five-six
05-24-2012, 11:42 PM
Would that make it FA? I am fairly sure that this rifle is not FA. I will post pics of the innards in the near future.

Muscles Glasses
05-24-2012, 11:47 PM
If there actually was a safety sear, the appropriate fire control group, and auto selector then yes I believe it would be capable of being an auto. Even having a sear cut ejector in your rifle without the safety sear is a big NO NO because it would be readily convertible. Think of it as having an AR receiver with the shelf milled out and the evil third hole drilled. Most semi FALs usually just have an uncut ejector block and selector that cannot go into the auto position.

five.five-six
05-24-2012, 11:50 PM
If there actually was a safety sear, the appropriate fire control group, and auto selector then yes I believe it would be capable of being an auto. Even having a sear cut ejector in your rifle without the safety sear is a big NO NO because it would be readily convertible. Most semi FALs usually just have an uncut ejector block and selector that cannot go into the auto position.

I am about 99.9% sure that I am the first person to remove the dust cover since the rifle left the factory.

Twystd1
05-25-2012, 12:40 AM
I just found that EXACT rifle for sale on GUNBROKER for 300 bucks.
And since I feel bad for you. I will give 320 bucks for it.
It hurts to do this. Yet I want you to win in your life and not have to figure out that your rifle is a POS. So I iz here to help you.

Please send it via parcel post. On your dime. As a return favor.

Regards,
Jing Son Lee.

five.five-six
05-25-2012, 1:24 AM
I just found that EXACT rifle for sale on GUNBROKER for 300 bucks.
And since I feel bad for you. I will give 320 bucks for it.
It hurts to do this. Yet I want you to win in your life and not have to figure out that your rifle is a POS. So I iz here to help you.

Please send it via parcel post. On your dime. As a return favor.

Regards,
Jing Son Lee.

Dear Sir,
I find your offer quite generous. I am sorry, but without an ATFA tax stamp, it will have to be shipped outside America. Please wire funds via western union to my Nepalese account with great haste. I will airmail ship it right away to my uncle in Nigeria, the Archduchess of Canterbury. He will be awaiting your arrival and greet you with much hospitality. I courteously request you to include your picture ID, proof of residency and HSA card as you will need those documents to complete your transaction at that time.

motorwerks
05-25-2012, 1:29 AM
I have no idea what is is but River City gun exchange has one kind of like it.

Mstnpete
05-25-2012, 1:29 AM
That scope mount looks like a FAL Stanag Scope Mount.

As seen here: http://tickbitesupply.com/falmt.html and is sold for $69.99

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/amgguy/mnt983.jpg

That mount on the rifle is definitely aftermarket.

Samtech79
05-25-2012, 11:05 AM
Beauty...

I just ordered a FAL, but in doing my research it seems like you've got something rather rare. All the FALs I've seen are parts guns built on American receivers or full reproductions. Looks like you've got a preban rifle there. It looks like the muzzle device is a flash hider and not a muzzle brake (definitely could be wrong to my untrained eye). The scope mount looks unusual too. You need to put a SUIT scope on it.

How much are you asking for it? :tt1:

That's a knock off Stanag mount, the SUIT mount is way different.
A Stanag would be correct though. The SUIT or L2A2 was issued on the the inch pattern L1A1. There was also a izzy version but those where built for 556 and may or may not have a different elevation cam. Honestly though, the SUIT sucks to use, it's only got 33-35mm of eye relief and uses an eye cup. If you where glasses expect to get scope eyed.
Might hit up SARCO for a 4 or 6 power scope... They may have the correct scope and mount for that.

saki302
05-25-2012, 12:42 PM
THat rifle was banned by NAME in 1989 and had to be registered then. It cannot be sold or transferred anymore in CA (otherwise I would buy one).

My uncle has the same exact rifle- minus the mount. FN FAL .308 Match. It shoots wonderfully. This is a METRIC pattern rifle.

I'm guessing the scope mount was added later- you should ask the guys on FAL files if it's an FN mount or not- the rifle is old enough it may well be some type of factory mount that is uncommon.

Don't worry about the receiver being sear cut or not- just know that if it is, you do not want to even OWN a parts kit, as it would be constructive possession of a full auto (the parts would drop in to an extent).

Value of an original FN FAL would be somewhere in the $3-4K range in the current market I believe. (not within CA- here it's WORTHLESS- you can't sell it)

-Dave

motorwerks
05-25-2012, 12:47 PM
THat rifle was banned by NAME in 1989 and had to be registered then. It cannot be sold or transferred anymore in CA (otherwise I would buy one).

My uncle has the same exact rifle- minus the mount. FN FAL .308 Match. It shoots wonderfully. This is a METRIC pattern rifle.

I'm guessing the scope mount was added later- you should ask the guys on FAL files if it's an FN mount or not- the rifle is old enough it may well be some type of factory mount that is uncommon.

Don't worry about the receiver being sear cut or not- just know that if it is, you do not want to even OWN a parts kit, as it would be constructive possession of a full auto (the parts would drop in to an extent).

Value of an original FN FAL would be somewhere in the $3-4K range in the current market I believe. (not within CA- here it's WORTHLESS- you can't sell it)

-Dave

There are FAL off list receivers. I just saw 3 FALs at River city gun exchange in Sacramento 2 complete one like this and one bare receiver.

five.five-six
05-25-2012, 1:16 PM
There are FAL off list receivers. I just saw 3 FALs at River city gun exchange in Sacramento 2 complete one like this and one bare receiver.

Not from Fabrique National. These guns will be leaving the great state of Kommiefornia. As to the sear, hopefully this will clear that question up.

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/9348/dsc00003dm.jpg

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8017/dsc00004qo.jpg

five.five-six
05-25-2012, 1:20 PM
More of the scope mount

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/373/dsc00001jsp.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/7763/dsc00002sd.jpg

Magazine

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8499/dsc00005nou.jpg

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/7277/dsc00006tn.jpg

Hanging out with a buddy from Trussville.

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Samtech79
05-25-2012, 8:48 PM
That's an izzy mag... Pretty obvouse but worth mentioning. Pretty good mag, as good as Herstal mags, absolutely superior to the Korean crapazines floating around.

five.five-six
05-25-2012, 8:53 PM
That rifle came with 9 mags, how will the Herstal's be marked?

1911su16b870
05-25-2012, 9:02 PM
Nice Belgian FALs! :drool5:

Samtech79
05-26-2012, 10:51 AM
The Herstal mags aren't stamped with much of anything. The follower and floor plate will have nothing stamped on them, the body is painted black with the edges of the feed lips usually raw. The only markings you may be able to find, if it's in real good shape, is an upside down single or double diget number between two small lines on the bottom inch or so of the back side of the mag body, it will be very light and may only be partially stamped.

five.five-six
05-31-2012, 7:20 PM
Odd thing is that FAL files still hasn't let me start posting :facepalm:

SURVIVOR619
05-31-2012, 8:37 PM
So nice! My brother has a Rosario version which looks exact to your sans the scope mount... Yet yours is SO much nicer with that Fabrique stamp!!!
Thank you for sharing and sorry I can't offer anything towards your inquiry; thanks for reading my sentiments.


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BrokerB
05-31-2012, 9:46 PM
Falfiles .com will give you exact info in minutes . If you dont have access by weekend , I'll post your pics for you . Member and contributor over there as shooting fals in my opinion is the best mbr to ever be " the right arm of the free world". served more then 75 countries as the main battle rifle .

Look up ol'dirty - 10,000+ rounds , no cleaning no failure ti fire

five.five-six
05-31-2012, 9:52 PM
Yes, please do post them, I have a login so at least I can read what they are saying, I just can't respond.... I was going to title the thread "ID this FN Fal" :rofl2: Probably not a good choice :p