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DavidR310
05-22-2012, 6:36 PM
Hi Calguns,

I have 2 options from my current collection for deer/hog hunting.

Option 1: Buy another AR15 upper in 300blk or
Option 2: Buy an upper in 308win for my Tactical Machine AR10 lower.

Which one would you guys recommend?

Thanks

Munny$hot
05-22-2012, 7:02 PM
If you already have all the accessories for the AR-10 I'd spend the extra 300-400 for the AR10 since you can get a lot more range and knock down power out of it

Meety Peety
05-22-2012, 7:13 PM
I'd probably complete the AR10 before buying a second upper for the AR15. I'd also stick with .308 for hunting purposes regardless.

Fjold
05-22-2012, 7:19 PM
If you limit the range to about 100 yards the 300 whisper will work but why limit yourself? Go 308.

milotrain
05-22-2012, 7:20 PM
.308 Why is this even a question? 300blk is more expensive and no more useful for what you are doing.

that guy
05-22-2012, 7:40 PM
Dpms pattern uppers seem scarce these days, make sure you can find what you want in stock somewhere if you are in a hurry to hunt.

DavidR310
05-22-2012, 8:54 PM
No hurry, hog/deer hunt would be end of summer/early fall.

Fjold, I have seen your hunting posts and appreciate your input.

So AR10 it is, thanks guys!

Richard Erichsen
05-22-2012, 9:23 PM
Hi Calguns,

I have 2 options from my current collection for deer/hog hunting.

Option 1: Buy another AR15 upper in 300blk or
Option 2: Buy an upper in 308win for my Tactical Machine AR10 lower.

Which one would you guys recommend?

Thanks

.308 Win/7.62 NATO is in a different class from the .300 BLK, whose purpose was to fit in the cramped confines of the AR15 mag well and use standard magazines.

Not even hogzila will get far even with a quartering shot from a .308 with a suitably heavy, well built bullet at a reasonable/ethical hunting range (under 400 yards, preferably a lot less). .300BLKs supersonic loads are no better than most of the better commercial 7.62x39 mm loads and inferior to the handloads in this caliber, or it's ballistic big-brother, the .30-30 which has another 18-20% more oomph for launching heavier bullets.

If the goal is more "what's the biggest bullet I can shove in an AR15/AR10" then there are other choices beyond these two calibers that are a lot closer to each other in terms of capability. The .308 in the AR10 would be my choice, if I actually liked AR10s. Few beasts in North America won't fall quickly if the hunter does his job and the correct bullets are used for the the corresponding quarry.

R

NYY
05-22-2012, 11:27 PM
.300BLK is made for a suppressed SBR..

pyro3k2
05-22-2012, 11:58 PM
Will the .300blk haters please atleast be some what current with their hate. The 100 yard limit is on the SUB-SONIC ammo, all the super sonic ammo is ballistically equal to 7.62x39. If your target is within 300yards you have no reason to pick 5.56 over .300blk.

with that being said is 6.8spc out of the question? it is a proven hunting round for the AR platform.

b.faust
05-23-2012, 12:09 AM
I have both.
I haven't hunted in years, but I'd probably grab the AR-10 first. (Actually I'd grab a lighter one, but my Remington 700 is back in the midwest in the event I decide to go deer hunting again back there)

The 300 BLK has a great swat at 100 yards or so. I don't know about beyond that. I know my 308 has a hell of a swat past that.

TZL
06-15-2012, 4:23 PM
Agreed, look into a 6.8 spc upper, more energy than 300blk and proven for boar hunting

Plus BVAC is making some good cheap ammo, when on sale

Plus the first couple rounds feed just fine out of an AR15 mag blocked for hunting, or just get some shorty 3 or 5 rounders for whatever is req by law

Lots of deals on 6.8 spc uppers in the classifieds

Will the .300blk haters please atleast be some what current with their hate. The 100 yard limit is on the SUB-SONIC ammo, all the super sonic ammo is ballistically equal to 7.62x39. If your target is within 300yards you have no reason to pick 5.56 over .300blk.

with that being said is 6.8spc out of the question? it is a proven hunting round for the AR platform.

-hanko
06-15-2012, 7:24 PM
Will the .300blk haters please atleast be some what current with their hate. The 100 yard limit is on the SUB-SONIC ammo, all the super sonic ammo is ballistically equal to 7.62x39. If your target is within 300yards you have no reason to pick 5.56 over .300blk.

with that being said is 6.8spc out of the question? it is a proven hunting round for the AR platform.
Help me understand...7.62x39 is usually noted to have the same balistics as .300blk, i.e., good out to 100-150 on thin-skinned game...deer as an example.

Having hunted a bunch and knowing that a rifle gets more weighty as the day wears on, I'm not sure why an AR would be the preferred weapon.

I'd just as soon have a lightweight bolt gun or lever action.

-hanko

chicoredneck
06-15-2012, 7:34 PM
I'm surprised how often the wssm calibers are overlooked in the AR15. They are the only full powered (not intermediate like the 6.8, 6.5G, and 300BLk) cartridges that fit the Ar15 mag well.

pyro3k2
06-16-2012, 12:43 AM
Help me understand...7.62x39 is usually noted to have the same balistics as .300blk, i.e., good out to 100-150 on thin-skinned game...deer as an example.

Having hunted a bunch and knowing that a rifle gets more weighty as the day wears on, I'm not sure why an AR would be the preferred weapon.

I'd just as soon have a lightweight bolt gun or lever action.

-hanko

A purpose built AR for hunting can be extremely light weight even more so than some of the larger cal. hunting rifles. But I can't sit here and pretend that the vast majority of hunting rifles ,i.e. bolt and lever guns, are not lighter than the average Cal-gunners AR. I know what you mean about rifles getting heavier over time and I personally hunt with my mosin now.

The OP asked about .300blk and its ability for hunting thus bringing us to the AR as a hunting platform. I was also referring to other posters confusing the performance of the SUB-sonic ammo to the SUPER-sonic ammo. 300blk isn't the ideal cartridge to be used for hunting but it gets the job done on 180lbs two legged deer. Which is why 6.8spc was suggested as a .300blk alternative, it has a proven history of taking down large hogs and deers even at distance (given shot placement).

kblack583
06-16-2012, 7:31 AM
I'd have to lean towards the .300 over the .308. Ive carried both AR10's and AR15's hunting in the field quite a bit and the weight savings you can get in the AR 15 package makes a significant difference. Every pound counts when your lumping a rifle around all day, especially as you get older.

Hoop
06-16-2012, 12:42 PM
Plain Jane 223 has killed lots and lots of deer and hogs. No need to get creative imo especially with bullets like the 65 grain game king and 70gr barnes.

fourtraxmc
06-16-2012, 12:52 PM
Check out 68forum.com, lots of ar hunting related info.

fourtraxmc
06-16-2012, 12:54 PM
Sorry, 68forums.com

MrExel17
06-16-2012, 12:57 PM
I would go for the .308