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DougH9
05-08-2007, 12:01 PM
I usually use a motorcycle to go shooting, and tie a rifle in a soft case to the side of my bike.

Can I do this with an AW (with the zipper being locked with a small padlock)?

The other alternative is to put it in a hard plastic locking case, and put that into a large backpack, but I am afraid that they may consider that "concealed".

Any feedback appreciated.

M1A Rifleman
05-08-2007, 12:06 PM
A similar question was posted before, but I recall the answer was like it was not recommended as an LEO may not think it a sufficient case even though the law does not specify a hard case. However, I do exactly as you describe except I have within a vehicle, so it is less obvious. On a bike as you describe, I think I would go with a hard case that looks like a guitar case :) . Also, the concealed issue is only a problem with hand guns, not long guns.

Surveyor
05-08-2007, 12:06 PM
If you can break the AW down, you should be alright with it locked in a hard case in your backpack. What type of gun is it?

bwiese
05-08-2007, 12:35 PM
I assume we are talking about a registered AW here.

There are no standards for 'locked case' or 'container' for such matters (transportation).
I think a reasonable person (judge) would think a locked "tac bag" would suffice for legality.

You're asking for trouble, though, with all that visibility and the hordes of untrained cops out there.

Get a car with a fully lockable trunk (watch for fold down rear seats!), or a truck with a toolbox.

As a poster above stated, 'concealment' worries only apply to 'concealable firearms', which are handguns only.

Jicko
05-08-2007, 12:51 PM
Try this MM/SERT C3 bag, if you have a 16" M4...
The overall external dimensions (main body) - 24" x 10" x 3"...
The perfect "conceal" case...

http://www.sertsystem.com/images/photo-SERT-C3-b.jpg

To buy:
http://www.ishot-inc.com/store2/product_info.php?products_id=99

Review:
http://www.militarymorons.com/weapons/ar.misc.html#c3

Jicko
05-08-2007, 12:52 PM
OOPS..... sorry... no matter how COOL the above case is... it is NOT lockable.... oops.....

Stanze
05-08-2007, 2:16 PM
The perfect "conceal" case...

http://www.sertsystem.com/images/photo-SERT-C3-b.jpg

To buy:
http://www.ishot-inc.com/store2/product_info.php?products_id=99

Review:
http://www.militarymorons.com/weapons/ar.misc.html#c3

It's nice, but I dunno about "perfect", not only is it not lockable, but you have to assemble your "M4" Carbine before it's operational, not ideal in a S.H.T.F. situation when seconds count.

Jicko
05-08-2007, 2:33 PM
It's nice, but I dunno about "perfect", not only is it not lockable, but you have to assemble your "M4" Carbine before it's operational, not ideal in a S.H.T.F. situation when seconds count.

That's true....

Maybe I should just say that this case/bag is.... *nice*.... this is more like a "low profile" case that don't scream "I'm a rifle"....

If SHTF.... we are DOOMED in CA anyways.... 10 rounds magazines(unless you are like some of us who are fortunate enough to have stocked up before the ban).... fixed mag rifles.... etc...

:D

DougH9
05-08-2007, 4:04 PM
Thank you for all of the replies. Yes, it is a registered AW (an AR). The reason I thought they might consider concealed is because all of the rules pertaining to an AW seem to be the same as a handgun...thus the concealment issue.

I think that I will put it in a locking hard case (which it will go if I remove the pistol grip), and stick it in the back pack. I could also break it down further, but the upper & lower are tightly bedded and I want to minimize wear.

Scope
05-08-2007, 5:36 PM
There are no standards for 'locked case' or 'container' for such matters (transportation).
I think a reasonable person (judge) would think a locked "tac bag" would suffice for legality.

You're asking for trouble, though, with all that visibility and the hordes of untrained cops out there.

Yeah, I thought the locked case rules only applied to handguns.

bwiese
05-08-2007, 5:38 PM
Yeah, I thought the locked case rules only applied to handguns.

No. AWs are the only long guns that have to be locked up as well as unloaded.

bwiese
05-08-2007, 5:40 PM
The reason I thought they might consider concealed is because all of the rules pertaining to an AW seem to be the same as a handgun...thus the concealment issue.

That's the one area different. If it's a rifle-based AW it's not 'concealable'.

Since it's an AW, however, it must be transported locked up as well as unloaded.

The specific destination requirement are also more stringent/more clearly delineated for AWs as compared to handguns (and with more severe consequences).

James R.
05-08-2007, 7:54 PM
Get a car with a fully lockable trunk (watch for fold down rear seats!), or a truck with a toolbox.

Just FMI, any reason you mention the folding rear seats? I for instance in my car (Audi A4) cannot fit my 50 BMG unless I fold down the rear seat, it's a simple physical logistics problem. I never thought that it could be an issue...it's in a locked hard case. Are you suggesting that this is a problem?

Regards,

James R.

-aK-
05-08-2007, 8:26 PM
Thank you for all of the replies. Yes, it is a registered AW (an AR). The reason I thought they might consider concealed is because all of the rules pertaining to an AW seem to be the same as a handgun...thus the concealment issue.

I think that I will put it in a locking hard case (which it will go if I remove the pistol grip), and stick it in the back pack. I could also break it down further, but the upper & lower are tightly bedded and I want to minimize wear.

With either an AW or a handgun, if it is unloaded and in a locked case then it isn't concealed, it is in a locked case.

Any case or bag that is designed to carry/store things and can be locked should be fine.

adamsreeftank
05-09-2007, 1:14 AM
Here is the "perfect" case.

http://www.casesandmore.com/Guitar-Cases-C6209.html?refid=G1626.guitar+case

Take your pick.

ryang
05-11-2007, 9:56 PM
For low-key transport I like this: http://wallerandson.com/Long_soft_safe.htm

Even if the MM/SERT C3 bag was lockable, it still screams "mil-spec gear"--at which point I start thinking it's a drag bag.