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sava
05-20-2012, 10:39 AM
A buddy and I were talking about doing this for quite some time. He was able to find the metal needed, and I had the necessary tools to fabricate this tactical training simulator:cool2:. The two key elements to this project were; the ability to disassemble into separate components, and have the ability to withstand a LOT of abuse. After a couple different sketches and plans in the notebook, I came up with an idea that worked. The different diameters of pipe worked perfectly together, and I was able to construct a frame that was heavy duty, and broke down for ease of transportation. I can't wait to try this thing out!

The frame is about 64" across and almost 6 feet high. It's heavy, but it all comes apart into 4 separate pieces.
- The bottom frame
- 2 legs
- The top portion

I planned it out and proceeded to cut, grind, and weld this up. Took 2, half days of work. The base consists of 2” pipe held together by 1” pipe. I welded pieces of the 2” pipe vertically so that the legs (1.75”) could just slide into place. The top rail is 1” pipe welded onto pieces of the 2” pipe that slide on over the legs. The legs wobble a bit due to the .25” gap, but some wooden wedges should make the wobble negligible. I looped chain across the top rail as it will be easy to hang the targets from the chain. To hang the targets, I will simply use metal coat hanger wire. It’s cheap, readily available, and easy to work with.

We have a few different steel plates consisting of rail road ties, sewer covers, and scrap cuts of metal that my dad was able to get from work. Now we need to find some land in the woods that has a clear line of sight out to 300-500 yards. Anyone have any suggestions up to 2 hours away from Sacramento?


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y196/stan_the_man_25/Guns/20120519_190524.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y196/stan_the_man_25/Guns/20120520_111206.jpg

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Antihero47
05-20-2012, 12:40 PM
Not going to last. Anything over 22 will likely destroy anything you have on there. Steel Included. Why not just pay $130-$220 and get a AR500+ steel target?

Don29palms
05-20-2012, 12:54 PM
It's a nice stand. I would suggest you get some chain to hang the targets. Coat hanger won't last very long. If you can put pipe over the chain, even better.

joelogic
05-20-2012, 1:32 PM
... and have the ability to withstand a LOT of abuse.

.308 routinely breaks welds and grade 8 bolts at 50 yards. The coat hangers will not stand up to anything.

sava
05-20-2012, 3:04 PM
Coat hangers are easily replaceable. I don't need them to withstand abuse...just the frame.

NorCalK9.com
05-20-2012, 3:11 PM
I like it bud. Hope you dont mind but im building one of those lol. But im gna use chain.

sava
05-20-2012, 3:14 PM
Not going to last. Anything over 22 will likely destroy anything you have on there. Steel Included. Why not just pay $130-$220 and get a AR500+ steel target?

The sewer plate will withstand everything that I have. I've shot it with 30-06 and 300 Win Mag and nothing penetrates the plate. It causes dents, but that's about it. The metal I have is free, so I'll use it until it becomes unshootable. Then I'll upgrade to AR500.:D

Prc329
05-20-2012, 3:14 PM
Coat hangers are easily replaceable. I don't need them to withstand abuse...just the frame.

True but it will be a pain to have to go and rehang the targets after a few rounds or so.

Granted the guy that set this target up didn't use coat hanger but it was out at 800 yards. After 4 rounds it dropped. We didn't shoot 800 yards the rest of the day.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/naytwan/BBM/IMG_1233.jpg

sava
05-20-2012, 3:33 PM
Not going to last. Anything over 22 will likely destroy anything you have on there. Steel Included. Why not just pay $130-$220 and get a AR500+ steel target?

True but it will be a pain to have to go and rehang the targets after a few rounds or so.

Granted the guy that set this target up didn't use coat hanger but it was out at 800 yards. After 4 rounds it dropped. We didn't shoot 800 yards the rest of the day.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/naytwan/BBM/IMG_1233.jpg

You bring a valid point.

What causes the hangers or zip ties to break? I thought it was only due to a bullet actually impacting whatever hanging material you were using?
The chances of me hitting those coat hangers are slim.

peter95
05-20-2012, 3:39 PM
its a nice target, but you need harder steel. A .223 will poke a hole on that thing without a problem.

If you are planing on shooting .22's you will be fine (depending on what kind of steel that is)

A coat hanger will not hold it long. Its not that you will hit the coat hanger, but simply because the vibration of hitting the target will loosen it up.

Prc329
05-20-2012, 3:43 PM
You bring a valid point.

What causes the hangers or zip ties to break? I thought it was only due to a bullet actually impacting whatever hanging material you were using?
The chances of me hitting those coat hangers are slim.


155 grain scenar running hot had that plate swinging very hard and it just came down. It was almost comical as I watched the target fall in slow motion. The left side gave, it swung and then the right side fell.

sava
05-20-2012, 3:46 PM
I see.

Well I have a bunch of chain left over. I'll swap out the coat hangers for chain.

Fate
05-20-2012, 4:37 PM
I use a thinner wire for my 50lb 1" thick steel plates, but more of them. I've broken chain before. Like a rope made from many strands, the group is stronger than just a chain. Plus these wire hangers hold up even when one gets shot. These pics show 4 strands each side, but I now use 6 each side.

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sava
05-21-2012, 9:09 AM
Fate, what is the minimum accepted distance for shooting steel? How close can i shoot the plates without worrying about ricochets?

skale240
05-21-2012, 2:07 PM
Fate, what is the minimum accepted distance for shooting steel? How close can i shoot the plates without worrying about ricochets?

If you're shooting handgun 10yds would be the minimum distance but I would be very careful shooting that steel sinces it's not completely flat. You may have jackets/lead flying back at you. If you're shooting rifle I'd recommend at least 100yds. Make sure to keep your eye protection on at all times. I just met a guy who lost his eye from a piece of jacket that flew back and managed to sneak in between his shooting glasses and his face.