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WraithRE
05-19-2012, 6:09 PM
I have been looking into a few different rounds for my socom II, in a home defense situation. Please I don't need use a pistol or shotgun instead comments. Just opinions on ammunition. For the sake of argument here, over penetration is not an issue. Just effectiveness, expansion, stopping power.
All ranges in these scenarios would be within 150yds

I am trying to decide between
Hornady
.308 Win 168gr TAP
HSM
.308 Win 168gr Amax
.308 Win 168gr HPBT Match
.308 Win 168gr Berger VLD Match

USMCforLIFE
05-19-2012, 6:12 PM
Hornaday TAP ALL DAY i love these rounds expensive as **** but i feel sorry for that DUMB SOB that walks through that day!

003
05-19-2012, 6:18 PM
Given the muzzle energy and power of the 7.62 round, almost anything you use will be fine. I recently purchased a case of Winchester white box NATO spec 147 gr Q3130 and feel completely comfortable in using it for any and all home/self defense situations. You should be able to find it online in the $16.00/$18.00 a box range.

WraithRE
05-19-2012, 6:43 PM
Thnks, I have 7 boxes of Hornady TAP 168gr, Ill stick with that. Appreciate the info.

Legasat
05-19-2012, 7:54 PM
The most accurate factory round I have found for my Scout is Federal Gold Match, 168gr.

PEZHEAD265
05-20-2012, 5:15 AM
What HD scenario would be out to 150 yds?Does CA laws allow you to shoot that far in a HD scenario?That seems like a great distance to shoot to protect yourself from a threat.

WraithRE
05-21-2012, 12:09 AM
What HD scenario would be out to 150 yds?Does CA laws allow you to shoot that far in a HD scenario?That seems like a great distance to shoot to protect yourself from a threat.

I have long hallways specifically designed for zombie containment...

sigstroker
05-21-2012, 12:56 AM
What HD scenario would be out to 150 yds?Does CA laws allow you to shoot that far in a HD scenario?That seems like a great distance to shoot to protect yourself from a threat.

Probably doesn't happen in CA much. I knew a guy in AZ that had a ranch out in the boonies. From time to time banditos would come up from Mexico and raid his ranch. He kept an M60 on the roof.

jsragman
05-21-2012, 4:25 PM
Whatever you shoot make sure it was made for this rifle. Mil surplus or mil spec is the only round you should use. The M1A, like the Garand and many other military type rifles has a free-floating firing pin. A round with a soft primer could certainly lead to a slam-fire. This could result in major damage to you and your rifle.

gotshotgun?
05-21-2012, 4:55 PM
Whatever you shoot make sure it was made for this rifle. Mil surplus or mil spec is the only round you should use. The M1A, like the Garand and many other military type rifles has a free-floating firing pin. A round with a soft primer could certainly lead to a slam-fire. This could result in major damage to you and your rifle.

Not so. Both those weapons mentioned have a safety bridge in the receiver which prevent the firing pin from going fully forward until the bolt is fully rotated.

Johnnykck
05-21-2012, 5:16 PM
Not so. Both those weapons mentioned have a safety bridge in the receiver which prevent the firing pin from going fully forward until the bolt is fully rotated.

100% correct! The M1A is chambered for commercial .308 and it is clearly stamped on the barrel (it will eat Nato surplus all day though). Any ammo in 7.62x51 or .308 will do at the ranges you are talking about, 150 yards or less you don't need anything special.

17+1
05-21-2012, 5:20 PM
My M1A really likes my Hornady 178 A-max handloads seated off the rifling. Don't know if you can get 178's in a factory load, but they shoot pretty good loaded to mag length as well.

Legasat
05-21-2012, 7:21 PM
Whatever you shoot make sure it was made for this rifle. Mil surplus or mil spec is the only round you should use. The M1A, like the Garand and many other military type rifles has a free-floating firing pin. A round with a soft primer could certainly lead to a slam-fire. This could result in major damage to you and your rifle.

I respectfully disagree. According to my corrospondance with Springfield, the M1A can shoot 7.62 or .308 without any problems at all.

xSARSx
05-22-2012, 12:31 AM
any of those that you mentioned will work for hd.... why would you need up to 150yrds in hd situation though? .308 will diff. do the job. i honestly thought of a .308 as a hd when i first started as a member on calguns but i love my .45 acp as my hd gun now

jsragman
05-22-2012, 6:34 AM
Y'all put whatever you want into yours, only milspec will go into mine.

jsragman
05-22-2012, 6:38 AM
PS: I got my info from Boston t. Party's "Gun Bible" and the Fulton Armory website among others.

CWUSCG
05-22-2012, 8:29 AM
I have been looking into a few different rounds for my socom II, in a home defense situation. Please I don't need use a pistol or shotgun instead comments. All ranges in these scenarios would be within 150yds

Home "defense" @ 150 yards huh? Good luck trying to explain that one in court brother! :rolleyes:

WraithRE
05-22-2012, 3:03 PM
HD, SHTF, Zombie Apocalypse, Horse Thieves...Whatever you want to call it. I've got an AX338 for anything long range :), Just needed some opinions on ammunition for close to mid range

Novator
05-22-2012, 3:44 PM
Winchester PDX1 120 gr .308 would also be worth looking into.

jtv3062
05-22-2012, 6:12 PM
Generally 180 grains or less. I would look up the pressure curve for the m 14 type rifles. You don't want to go and get your op rod bent. Maybe its port pressure. I only shoot surplus or reloads.

Kodachrome
05-22-2012, 9:11 PM
These are used in bolt actions because of their longer OAL usually:
.308 Win 168gr Berger VLD Match

ACRfan
05-22-2012, 9:41 PM
I personally think TAP will do just fine..

Noonanda
05-23-2012, 2:10 PM
PS: I got my info from Boston t. Party's "Gun Bible" and the Fulton Armory website among others.

Fulton also says that all Polytech M-14S's had soft bolts and bad headspace. Guess mine is a fluke.;)

It depends on what it says your rifle is chambered for. It also depends on what load you are shooting. The M-14 platform is more forgiving than the Garand was about port pressure as there isnt a long thin op rod with built in gas piston that can be bent. The M-14 platform was an improvement in this aspect.

Noonanda
05-23-2012, 2:13 PM
Ammo-wise any listed should be good, you might have problems feeding the VLDs, and the HPBT Match are just expensive for short range use. Unless you are doing some long range shooting you could get by using softpoint .308 sold by Walmart or such

chino
05-23-2012, 9:03 PM
#1 choice 308 Win 168gr TAP HSM

.308 Win 168gr Amax. Ballistic tip results in good BC not for hunting
.308 Win 168gr HPBT Match. Sierra doesn't recomment their match ammo for hunting (lack of expansion)
.308 Win 168gr Berger VLD Match. Berger VLD don't like to "jump" they prefer to be loaded to maximum length, close to the barrel lead.

For home defense I would select a heavy hunting round for maximum expansion. Unless you live in a rural area, it would be hard to justify home defense at long distance (three out of the four choices are target ammunition)

jsragman
05-24-2012, 7:56 AM
I just checked the M1A manual and it says the M1A is built to shoot "factory military 7.62 NATO ammunition". It goes on to say that commercial ammunition with more sensitive primers can increase the risk of slamfires. OF COURSE the M1A can chamber and shoot commercial ammo. It's just not as safe and that was point of my original post. Y'all have a nice day!

r8dr rider
05-24-2012, 8:08 AM
How about American Eagle 762x51 OTM. Made specificly for M1As

darqhelmet
05-24-2012, 10:12 AM
Look at the TAP 110 grains. I have good luck with those for in close super flat, super fast rounds. They expand great at such a short range.