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Oregon_Border_Bandit
05-17-2012, 11:49 AM
Simple question, I hope this is the right forum section.

I live in OR I want to take my AR chambered in 7.62x39 into southern CA to teach my friends to shoot.

( Not my smaller 5.56 as shown in my avatar photo )

I only posses 30 round magazines., 90% of all the mags in this hybrid AR 47 are 30 rounders, there are some 10's out there but I only own the 30's.

Other than that it is the typical AR, it has a factory threaded barrel end to which is attached an after market JP competition muzzle brake ( not a flash suppressor ), typical piccatini quad rail, typical 4 position ( non folding ) collapsible stock , 16inch factory heavy barrel , typical pistol grip, topped with a red dot optic.

I am going thru Los Angeles / LA county, in to Orange county.

Am I a potential felon ?

regards
From an Xpatriot born and raised so Cal native now living right on the other side of the border were I carry concealed ( legally ) or open carry when ever I want, along with a huge Cold Steel TiLite tactical folder in my pocket, toss in a suppressor on what ever I am shooting and a Slide Fire just for the 2nd Amendment of it all , lol.

Your 'legal' opinions san's my personal choice of weapons systems is very much welcome

bwiese
05-17-2012, 12:02 PM
We still don't have enough info.



What is the specific make & model (see your sideplate) of your AR?

If it's banned by make/model combo, it's completely a no-go: you'd have to use a new "off list" lower.
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Please consult the Calguns "AW Flowchart". If you want to import your gun pretty much in its configuration
into CA, you will need to install a BulletButton ("BB") magazine lock ("maglock") device before you & gun
enter California.

This device stops your magazine from being legally regarded as a 'detachable magazine' by requiring a 'tool'
for removing it. The tool can be a bullet tip, punch, awl, whatever - as long as it is freestanding and does
not attach to the gun.

The other alternative is to go 'featureless': no flash hider (guess you're OK there), no pistol grip, no telescoping/
thumbhole/folder stock, no forward pistol grip. You could put on a "MonsterMan" grip that legally is not a pistol
grip, or a California Rifles' "U15" stock or an ExileMfg stock adapter that allows a stock to be CA compliant. This
'featureless' configuration allows your rifle to be topologically identical to that of a CA-legal M1A or Mini14, and
allows use of detachable magazines.
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The SlideFire stock is separately considered a "multiburst trigger activator". It is illegal even possessed separately
from the gun, and regardless of the gun's configuration. Do NOT bring in the SlideFire AT ALL into CA.
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You cannot import hicap (over-10rd) mags from out of state, unless those mags were owned or acquired within CA
on or before 12/31/00.
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You cannot use an over-10-round mag in CA in a fixed magazine (i.e., BB maglock'd) semiauto centerfire rifle.
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You could, while in OR - and before entering CA - take one of your hicap mags and *permanently* (i.e, a real
beyotch to even try to reverse) restrict its capacity to 10rds or less.

[I do believe Colt has made 5 and 10rd 7.62x39 AR mags as part of one of their 'conversion kit' uppers.]
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Continually observe all of the above: do not get cute and think just because you're shooting in a remote
area you won't get caught with an illegally-configured firearm.
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creekside
05-17-2012, 12:10 PM
I live in OR I want to take my AR chambered in 7.62x39 into southern CA to teach my friends to shoot.

...

I only posses 30 round magazines., 90% of all the mags in this hybrid AR 47 are 30 rounders, there are some 10's out there but I only own the 30's.

Other than that it is the typical AR, it has a factory threaded barrel end to which is attached an after market JP competition muzzle brake ( not a flash suppressor ), typical piccatini quad rail, typical 4 position ( non folding ) collapsible stock , 16inch factory heavy barrel , typical pistol grip, topped with a red dot optic.

In California, you are always a potential felon. It's not better down here.

1) Use The Wiki: http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Large-capacity_magazine_restrictions

Importation of high capacity magazines is unlawful. To quote Chris Rock, "I wouldn't do that #### if I was you." If the magazine will hold more than ten (10) rounds, it is unlawful to import the magazine into the state, or to assemble such a magazine from parts while in the state.

2) Use The Wiki: http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/FAQ#.22Assault_Weapons.22_Questions

Check your rifle configuration against The Flowchart: http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

It sounds to me like your rifle fails the flowchart rather massively, but people more experienced than I should explain the proper use of The Flowchart.

Oregon_Border_Bandit
05-17-2012, 9:32 PM
Oh My GOD so it is that bad down there !!!

I am very jaded, and I don't usually get that sick crushing feeling in my chest unless it is something VERY wicked I witness > watching Schindler's List, Reginald Denny being dragged out of his truck in the riots, Obama & Putin pulling off the worlds greatest scam in 08., and what You guys just told me here in reply.

I am basically going down there to pick up ( tow ) back a large boat I just bought and see friends who are as family to me.

I will leave the AR ( Olympic Arms limited edition 30R SST HB ) in the safe, and just carry my old Star FireStar .45 that I bought new in San Diego in 92
( I know, no open carry, no concealed carry no exposed on the car seat carry , no baby seat carry, no back seat carry , no cash and carry , no carry out, no Jim Karry lol.

I would say LEAVE CA, leave and never look back but it is OUR / YOUR State,and worth fighting thru the maze of power hungry Commies and there throngs of useful idiots , to legislatively take it back.

I left CA for work reasons before all this happened and I believe CA is worth fighting for so I will shake off the stunned punch of reality I just got and carry on.

PS: So You say SlideFire already has been banned in CA due to a pre- existing CA state legislative ban and this one just falls into the already defined definition ?

I will go and check the flow chart.

Much thanks

Quiet
05-17-2012, 11:41 PM
PS: So You say SlideFire already has been banned in CA due to a pre- existing CA state legislative ban and this one just falls into the already defined definition ?
Correct.
Ban on "multiburst trigger activator" which came out in late-1980s.
The slidefire stock fits the legal definition of what was banned.

Don29palms
05-18-2012, 12:19 AM
The privilege of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed except for when the government deems it necessary. Welcome to the United Socialist State of Kalifornia!

NotEnufGarage
05-18-2012, 1:58 AM
Oh My GOD so it is that bad down there !!!

I am very jaded, and I don't usually get that sick crushing feeling in my chest unless it is something VERY wicked I witness > watching Schindler's List, Reginald Denny being dragged out of his truck in the riots, Obama & Putin pulling off the worlds greatest scam in 08., and what You guys just told me here in reply.

I am basically going down there to pick up ( tow ) back a large boat I just bought and see friends who are as family to me.

I will leave the AR ( Olympic Arms limited edition 30R SST HB ) in the safe, and just carry my old Star FireStar .45 that I bought new in San Diego in 92
( I know, no open carry, no concealed carry no exposed on the car seat carry , no baby seat carry, no back seat carry , no cash and carry , no carry out, no Jim Karry lol.

I would say LEAVE CA, leave and never look back but it is OUR / YOUR State,and worth fighting thru the maze of power hungry Commies and there throngs of useful idiots , to legislatively take it back.

I left CA for work reasons before all this happened and I believe CA is worth fighting for so I will shake off the stunned punch of reality I just got and carry on.

PS: So You say SlideFire already has been banned in CA due to a pre- existing CA state legislative ban and this one just falls into the already defined definition ?

I will go and check the flow chart.

Much thanks

For your pistol, Lock Unloaded Concealed Carry (LUCC) is the legal way to transport it. It must be unloaded, in a locked container (your car trunk is a locked container as long as it's not accessible from the drivers compartment). The ammo and magazines may be in the same container, just not in or on the weapon. The law doesn't specificy what a container is, so it can be hard sided or soft sided, as long as it's locked.