View Full Version : Must stop S 1237. Could ban firearm sales !

05-02-2007, 3:03 PM
Federal AG Gonzales got with Lautenberg to hammer out this terrible
Senate Bill. Ck it out. >

BELLEVUE, WA Attorney General Alberto Gonzales' troubling support
of legislation that would allow him and future attorneys general the
arbitrary power to block firearms purchases without due process is
cause for him to step down as the nation's highest ranking law
enforcement officer, the Second Amendment Foundation said today.

The bill, S. 1237, was introduced last week at the Justice
Department's request by Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), one of the most
extreme anti-gunners in Congress. Called the "Denying Firearms and
Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2007," this legislation
would give the Attorney General discretionary authority to deny the
purchase of a firearm or the issuance of a firearm license or permit
because of some vague suspicion that an American citizen may be up to
no good.

"This bill," said SAF founder Alan Gottlieb, "raises serious concerns
about how someone becomes a `suspected terrorist.' Nobody has
explained how one gets their name on such a list, and worse, nobody
knows how to get one's name off such a list.

"The process by which someone may appeal the Attorney General's
arbitrary denial seems weak at best," Gottlieb suggested, "and there
is a greater concern. When did we decide as a nation that it is a
good idea to give a cabinet member the power to deny someone's
constitutional right simply on suspicion, without a trial or anything
approaching due process?

"We're not surprised that General Gonzales has found an agreeable
sponsor in Frank Lautenberg," Gottlieb observed. "The senator from
New Jersey has never seen a restrictive gun control scheme he did not
immediately embrace, and S. 1237 is loaded with red flags. It would
allow an appointed bureaucrat the authority to suspend or cancel
someone's Second Amendment right without even being charged with a

"Attorney General Gonzales has no business asking for that kind of
power over any tenet in the Bill of Rights," Gottlieb said. "He took
an oath to uphold the Constitution, not trample it. Perhaps it is
time for him to go."
This "potential terrorist" fall back excuse is getting real old real quick.
No perhaps to it. Gonzales needs to vamoose and the sooner the better.

05-02-2007, 3:41 PM
hmmm...this may prevent me from buying firearms. i got pulled aside for "secondary screening" just about every time i've flown since 9/11. my name must be on a list somewhere. i've no criminal record or anything. wierd.

05-02-2007, 3:50 PM
This is particularly interesting to me, given that the National CounterTerrorism Center reads thegunwiki.com, for its AK-47 articles...

05-02-2007, 4:06 PM
hmmm...this may prevent me from buying firearms. i got pulled aside for "secondary screening" just about every time i've flown since 9/11. my name must be on a list somewhere. i've no criminal record or anything. wierd.

I might be in the same boat. I've only flown a handful of times since 9/11. But, I can never print out a boarding pass ahead of time. I always have to go stand in multiple lines to get one. And then always the extra exam to board the plane.

This is the bane of a very common name. Somewhere out there is an *****hat with my name who's done some wrong - allegedly. Or maybe someone in TSA/DOJ/FBI doesn't like someone I share a name with and just put him on "the list". It's not like it's a proven list or anything.

05-02-2007, 7:56 PM
It's in committee as of now. No surprise who the 1 co-sponsor is..

Title: A bill to increase public safety by permitting the Attorney General to deny the transfer of firearms or the issuance of firearms and explosives licenses to known or suspected dangerous terrorists.
Sponsor: Sen Lautenberg, Frank R. (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD%28FLD003+@4%28%28@1%28Sen+Lautenber g++Frank+R.%29%29+01381%29%29) [NJ] (introduced 4/26/2007) Cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:16:./temp/%7EbdBTJY:@@@P%7C/bss/d110query.html%7C) (1)
Latest Major Action: 4/26/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.Jump to: Summary (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:16:./temp/%7EbdBTJY:@@@L&summ2=m&%7C/bss/d110query.html%7C#summary), Major Actions (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:16:./temp/%7EbdBTJY:@@@L&summ2=m&%7C/bss/d110query.html%7C#major%20actions), All Actions (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:16:./temp/%7EbdBTJY:@@@L&summ2=m&%7C/bss/d110query.html%7C#status), Titles (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:16:./temp/%7EbdBTJY:@@@L&summ2=m&%7C/bss/d110query.html%7C#titles), Cosponsors (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:16:./temp/%7EbdBTJY:@@@L&summ2=m&%7C/bss/d110query.html%7C#cosponsors), Committees (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:16:./temp/%7EbdBTJY:@@@L&summ2=m&%7C/bss/d110query.html%7C#committees), Related Bill Details (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:16:./temp/%7EbdBTJY:@@@L&summ2=m&%7C/bss/d110query.html%7C#rel-bill-detail), Amendments (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:16:./temp/%7EbdBTJY:@@@L&summ2=m&%7C/bss/d110query.html%7C#amendments)SUMMARY:***NONE***
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Sen Kennedy, Edward M. (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/?&Db=d110&querybd=@FIELD%28FLD004+@4%28%28@1%28Sen+Kennedy++ Edward+M.%29%29+01377%29%29) [MA] - 5/1/2007COMMITTEE(S):
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This could become very debilitating for lawful citizens bill if it becomes law.
If the WH falls to Dems in 08, how about a Schumer or Feinstein as the
NEW Federal Atty Gen...We have it bad with this Gonzales character true
enough but can you imagine how firearms will be affected if and or when
this happens ?

Or is the memory of Janet Reno too far removed..:eek:

05-02-2007, 8:27 PM
What next? Is the attorney general going to ask for power to quarter him and his agents in your home in peace time? He's got the 1st and working on the 2nd, might as well start on the 3rd...

05-02-2007, 10:29 PM
Not surprising coming from someone that believes there is no constitutional guarantee to habeas corpus.

05-04-2007, 4:12 PM
The media including AP is trying to SPIN it look like the NRA is taking
the side of terrorists regarding S. 1237. Yahoo almost always jumps
on the bandwagon when it comes to anti-gun spew as well.

NRA: Don't ban gun sales to suspects

This is bogus. The NRA doesn't want law-abiding citizens to be denied a sale
of a firearm on the whim of an Atty Gen. The media is making it appear the
NRA sides with suspected terrorists..Even the Asst Atty Gen says it possible
a sale COULD go down to suspected terrorists is their an investigation in
the works..That's nuts !