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HowardW56
05-05-2012, 8:37 PM
The first batch is here (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=5129617&postcount=1)

QQQ
05-05-2012, 8:43 PM
Wow, nice!

Can someone explain to me whether the statement on page 8 was approved, and whether it was its own statement or part of the previous one?
Thanks

HowardW56
05-05-2012, 8:51 PM
Wow, nice!

Can someone explain to me whether the statement on page 8 was approved, and whether it was its own statement or part of the previous one?
Thanks

The GC statement on page 7, is more than one page long...

Pages 7 & 8 are one GC statement...

viet4lifeOC
05-05-2012, 9:27 PM
Can't download. Is it available else where?

NiteQwill
05-05-2012, 10:02 PM
Haha. I recognize a few handwritten GCSs in there... ;)

Mrbroom
05-05-2012, 11:00 PM
I just read them and I'm a little ticked off!! A civil engineer??? Because in a catistrophic earthquake.. Jeez!! I have Civil's that are subordinates and Baca denied me!!

VAReact
05-06-2012, 6:47 AM
Can't download. Is it available else where?

Same here...?

HowardW56
05-06-2012, 6:52 AM
Can't download. Is it available else where?

Same here...?

Go directly to the CGF download page HERE (http://calgunsfoundation.org/resources/downloads/file/76-orange-county-approved-good-cause-statements-batch-1.html)

lawaia
05-06-2012, 6:59 AM
Congrats! And nice work!

scoobyj
05-06-2012, 7:22 AM
Interesting... Looks like a wide range of good cause approvals. The last one requests a renewal "for the safety of my family and those around me". I'm not sure what the original LTC request read, but this is just for self defense. So if I tailored my request just like this, and was rejected, would this help with the fight for permits in Orange County? :confused:

VAReact
05-06-2012, 7:38 AM
Go directly to the CGF download page HERE (http://calgunsfoundation.org/resources/downloads/file/76-orange-county-approved-good-cause-statements-batch-1.html)

Thank you...got it. It says "approved" at the top of each statement. Does this mean all of these good causes were approved, or that all redactions in the good causes were approved? Me thinks the latter...

HowardW56
05-06-2012, 7:49 AM
Thank you...got it. It says "approved" at the top of each statement. Does this mean all of these good causes were approved, or that all redactions in the good causes were approved? Me thinks the latter...

If they are marked approved the permits were issued. OCSO made it a bit of a project to sort through the documents by mixing approved and denied applications together in a 930 (±) page package.

That was just the first batch of documents provided in response to the just a portion of the documents requested.

For those who are curious, I believe the documents were requested last August...

psssniper
05-06-2012, 7:51 AM
Just reading those I'm pretty sure I recognized at least two people I know. :D

viet4lifeOC
05-06-2012, 7:57 AM
Curious on how having these documents are useful? Can't one mount a legal challenge that approval/disapproval is subjective and arbitrary? The power to grant CCW should be more objective and less on the whimes of the Sheriff's "discretion."

HowardW56
05-06-2012, 8:04 AM
Curious on how having these documents are useful? Can't one mount a legal challenge that approval/disapproval is subjective and arbitrary? The power to grant CCW should be more objective and less on the whimes of the Sheriff's "discretion."

Additional cases challenging subjective and arbitrary issuance of LTC is certainly a possibility... :D

SanPedroShooter
05-06-2012, 8:14 AM
Does reading through these make anyone else feel slightly ill?

Can I think up and justify a whole line of BS as to why my life or my job or my money is special and I deserve to exercise my natural rights in the safest and most effcient way possible....?

Should I have to....?

Out of the two, I think so called 'good cause' is worse than 'good moral character'

M. D. Van Norman
05-06-2012, 9:41 AM
Curious on how having these documents are useful?

You can determine if you are similarly situated to applicants who have received licenses in Orange County.

Casual_Shooter
05-06-2012, 10:53 AM
Lot of renewals.....

DrDavid
05-06-2012, 11:45 AM
Why weren't the denied GC statements made public too? I'd suspect those would be far more interesting...

disturbed1
05-06-2012, 12:04 PM
alot of business and retired leo and reserve leo in those. Didnt see any common folk type GC statements

bigmike82
05-06-2012, 12:33 PM
How about the dude who's sole good cause was "I go to Casinos a lot"?

I thought there were a few that were also simply "I work at or travel through bad areas a lot". That's a pretty easy standard to meet.

Ubermcoupe
05-06-2012, 2:42 PM
I always enjoy reading these, Thanks for posting.

I noticed some of these applicants are retired LEO. Aren’t they covered under LEOSA?

What’s a “Professional Services Responder? or ‘PSR’”?

The last page really irks me:
I hope I have demonstrated sufficient cause for the privilege of carrying a concealed weapon

HowardW56
05-06-2012, 3:46 PM
I noticed some of these applicants are retired LEO. Aren’t they covered under LEOSA?

Retired Federal agents or Officers aren't covered, Federal Agencies do not give retirees CCW.

The Federal System is screwy, lots of odd regulations; a CBP agent can carry their issued weapon anywhere and anytime, but they are not permitted to carry a personally owned weapon without a LTC... Not that many don't anyway and local LE is unlikely to do anything about it. But if there is an off duty incident, with an unauthorized weapon, they can end up in deep ****...

AVgunGUY
05-06-2012, 3:55 PM
Any thoughts on page 101? I've read that particular GC a couple of times and don't actually see a statement of good cause. It is simply a list of qualifications and assertions of never having a problem with guns (oh - and a statement that they are well informed about CCW restrictions and have always done their best to not be in the wrong place with a weapon).

It's also interesting that not everyone appears to be politically connected as so many claim. There is one that is as simple as collecting cash in a high crime area (rents) and another that is as simple as buying/selling large quantities of gold. Neither of these examples gives dollar amounts - i'm guessing the amount of cash and the idea of "large" is subjective in the mind of the applicant. ?

voiceofreason
05-06-2012, 4:07 PM
p. 53


"The reason for my permit is that I get paid in cash."

APPROVED.

Ubermcoupe
05-06-2012, 4:17 PM
Retired Federal agents or Officers aren't covered, Federal Agencies do not give retirees CCW.

The Federal System is screwy, lots of odd regulations; a CBP agent can carry their issued weapon anywhere and anytime, but they are not permitted to carry a personally owned weapon without a LTC... Not that many don't anyway and local LE is unlikely to do anything about it. But if there is an off duty incident, with an unauthorized weapon, they can end up in deep ****...

Forgive my sidetrack but honorably retired FLEO’s cannot utilize HR218 because FLEAs aren’t covered or because FLEAs refuse to issue a valid retired photo ID card?

HowardW56
05-06-2012, 4:31 PM
Forgive my sidetrack but honorably retired FLEO’s cannot utilize HR218 because FLEAs aren’t covered or because FLEAs refuse to issue a valid retired photo ID card?

Good Question, I don't know the answer...

NoJoke
05-06-2012, 5:06 PM
I just read them and I'm a little ticked off!! A civil engineer??? Because in a catistrophic earthquake.. Jeez!! I have Civil's that are subordinates and Baca denied me!!

How about the gynecologist!

It's really incredible - they all boil down to "self protection"

I mean, I'm happy for THEM but come on....what about the rest of the world who would like to protect themselves????? :rolleyes:

HowardW56
05-06-2012, 5:40 PM
How about the gynecologist!


Some gynecologists perform abortions, and receive threats...

I recall that there have been several killed in other parts of the country.

I have less trouble with a gynecologist qualifying for a LTC than a civil engineer or HVAC contractor that occasionally works in bad areas...

DrDavid
05-06-2012, 5:49 PM
I have less trouble with a gynecologist qualifying for a LTC than a civil engineer or HVAC contractor that occasionally works in bad areas...
Huh? Jealous much? What happened to the "everyone should get a CCW"? So, an HVAC worker who enters into a strangers home, with no hope of police support if something happened, shouldn't get a CCW because *YOU* can't get a CCW? Did I miss something?

Seriously, I hope I missed something...

Besides, since you're saying that you can't get a CCW.. Have you even TRIED to apply?

HowardW56
05-06-2012, 7:12 PM
Huh? Jealous much? What happened to the "everyone should get a CCW"? So, an HVAC worker who enters into a strangers home, with no hope of police support if something happened, shouldn't get a CCW because *YOU* can't get a CCW? Did I miss something?

Seriously, I hope I missed something...

Besides, since you're saying that you can't get a CCW.. Have you even TRIED to apply?

Let me clarify....

I do not agree with the current system of good cause requirements. That is why I have invested the untold number of hours just redacting good cause statements from all over the state.

Having gone through all of the 930 (±) pages of applications contained in this batch from Orange County, that was one of the few that I saw that may comply with some illusory standard for heightened need, that didn't appear to be either irrelevant or an odd exercise in creative writing.

California should, and hopefully will soon be, shall issue. Good moral character should mean that you are not prohibited due to a criminal history or mental illness. Good cause should be self defense, or simply I want one…

Some people insist on constitutional carry as the ultimate goal, I don’t think we will ever see that in California. Some people object to any training requirement, speaking for myself, I don’t really have an issue with a 8 or 16 hour training requirement. Maybe I am willing to accept some hurdles in the path to a LTC because I live in a no-issue city and I am an average person who isn’t a wealthy, a Hollywood star, or well known business person capable of meeting the sheriff's standards...

skyscraper
05-06-2012, 7:20 PM
I feel fortunate to live in a county that has a sheriff that upholds the second amendment. I hope you all get the same treatment soon.

wildhawker
05-06-2012, 7:21 PM
I just want to be very clear here: HowardW56, Connor P Price, dantodd, obeygiant, and other have invested countless hours as volunteers in facilitating our Sunshine Initiative because they care enough to do what few like to do - work hard for your rights. No one involved wants anything other than - at minimum - a shall-issue system.

-Brandon

Kerplow
05-06-2012, 7:34 PM
I as well would like to see the good cause statements of denied applicants. After reading a through some of the approved good cause statements it doesn't seem like they are necessarily requiring extreme circumstances, which makes me wonder how much the approval was based on "who" rather than "why."

DrDavid
05-06-2012, 7:42 PM
I do not agree with the current system of good cause requirements. That is why I have invested the untold number of hours just redacting good cause statements from all over the state.
[...]
California should, and hopefully will soon be, shall issue. Good moral character should mean that you are not prohibited due to a criminal history or mental illness. Good cause should be self defense, or simply I want one…
I agree with you. I think everyone who wants one should get one. But, I too agree that a few hoops isn't a bad thing. Hoops mean people need to educate themselves a bit. Hoops don't mean barriers, just hoops.

File an application, take some training (I think this is a good thing IMHO), prove you can shoot the darn thing without killing someone else. Besides, taking training and showing you are proficient will HELP YOU if you ever have to shoot. In court, you can say how many hours of training you have vs. "Yeah, I watched youtube".

Frankly, even if I lived in Arizona, I would still get an actual LTC. Constitutional carry is nice, but, the actual license and the 'stamp of approval' on it, means that I have an extra layer of personal protection against left-leaning cops, and left-leaning citizens. "No, it's ok that I'm carrying.. Here's a piece of paper that proves it!"

I'm sure all the lawyers will attack me again based on what I just wrote, but so be it. (Also, still waiting for wildhawker to call me back....)

DrDavid
05-06-2012, 7:44 PM
I as well would like to see the good cause statements of denied applicants. After reading a through some of the approved good cause statements it doesn't seem like they are necessarily requiring extreme circumstances, which makes me wonder how much the approval was based on "who" rather than "why."
+1. I wonder how many people who applied with even remotely reasonable GC's (i.e. you didn't write something crazy on the app) got denied? Are GC's in OC just an exercise to show you took the time to read up on what OC considers to be a reasonable GC?

wildhawker
05-06-2012, 7:46 PM
(Also, still waiting for wildhawker to call me back....)

I'll be calling tonight.

-Brandon

Librarian
05-06-2012, 8:21 PM
+1. I wonder how many people who applied with even remotely reasonable GC's (i.e. you didn't write something crazy on the app) got denied? Are GC's in OC just an exercise to show you took the time to read up on what OC considers to be a reasonable GC?

Not likely.

OC had 2,273,573 adult residents last year, and 551 civilian LTC were issued.

Since in other states, when LTC gets moved to shall-issue, the demand for CCW licenses stabilizes between 3% and 4%, it's reasonable to guess the demand is OC is about the same.

3% of the adult population of OC is about 68,000 - kind of different from 551.

Something besides good cause statements is at work here.

HowardW56
05-06-2012, 9:10 PM
The denied good cause statements are available here (http://calgunsfoundation.org/resources/downloads/file/77-orange-county-denied-good-cause-statements-batch-1.html)

wildhawker
05-06-2012, 9:11 PM
This.

The math isn't hard, nor is the data all that difficult to find. The below and this blog post (http://bit.ly/yacZof) pretty well indicates the state of affairs.

-Brandon


Not likely.

OC had 2,273,573 adult residents last year, and 551 civilian LTC were issued.

Since in other states, when LTC gets moved to shall-issue, the demand for CCW licenses stabilizes between 3% and 4%, it's reasonable to guess the demand is OC is about the same.

3% of the adult population of OC is about 68,000 - kind of different from 551.

Something besides good cause statements is at work here.

Bill Carson
05-06-2012, 9:16 PM
Huh? Jealous much? What happened to the "everyone should get a CCW"? So, an HVAC worker who enters into a strangers home, with no hope of police support if something happened, shouldn't get a CCW because *YOU* can't get a CCW? Did I miss something?

Seriously, I hope I missed something...

Besides, since you're saying that you can't get a CCW.. Have you even TRIED to apply?

Seriously. Are you trying to make enemies on this board??

Bill Carson
05-06-2012, 9:25 PM
I was disappointed that I did not see the following approved GC statements, I bang high-profile chicks and all the guys on Cal-guns are jealousy of me and was stupid enough to post a video of myself on you tube talking smack to Cal-guns or I am part of a 3 man tactical security unit at South Coast Plaza and I need to carry a fully automatic assault rifle with grenade launcher and of course a Deagle (.50 cal of course).

Doheny
05-06-2012, 9:46 PM
Can we merge this thread with this thread (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=352774&page=4), and this thread (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=569155)? It's getting confusing bouncing back and forth; having one place re: Orange County would be easier.

DrDavid
05-06-2012, 9:51 PM
First few denials seem to be cop-wannabe's.. "I need to defend myself and my clients". Or, the very first one admits to carrying even without a CCW.

Others are harder to understand.. The ophthalmologist probably should have been granted IMHO; I suspect it was the sentence at the end that said, "personal protection and protect my family". What he SHOULD HAVE said was to protect the business property and drugs that are stored on premises and transported between the home and business.

But, for a lot of them the reason for the denial makes no sense... A mortgage broker who visits clients homes? That to me is perfectly good cause.

So, I guess, yeah.. Seems a bit capricious why some get and some don't... Wonder if there were other factors at play?

Doheny
05-06-2012, 9:53 PM
/\ Wanting to defend one's self if a perfectly good GC.

DrDavid
05-06-2012, 9:55 PM
/\ Wanting to defend one's self if a perfectly good GC.
Agreed. But, currently in OC that's not going to get a permit. In the meantime, your GC should probably not say that. That's all I was saying.

DrDavid
05-06-2012, 10:08 PM
Seriously. Are you trying to make enemies on this board??

No, actually.. I'm not. I sincerely hope I'm not actually pissing people off, as opposed to just having a lively discussion/debate :)

bbsmth
05-06-2012, 10:22 PM
pg 56 is interesting... someone at Saddleback is carrying now.

Doheny
05-06-2012, 10:32 PM
/\ There were a couple of those. RW is well connected, I am sure that helped. However, someone on the security team at a smaller church in Fullerton got denied.

NoJoke
05-07-2012, 5:38 AM
. I sincerely hope I'm not actually pissing people off, as opposed to just having a lively discussion/debate :)

May I suggest a new tact? You've made some inflammatory statements that imply a failure of rudimentary comprehension by potential applicants.

Again, it went well for you and I'm happy for you - enjoy.

An aside: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsY76EWmbWg

NoJoke
05-07-2012, 5:42 AM
The denied good cause statements are available here (http://calgunsfoundation.org/resources/downloads/file/77-orange-county-denied-good-cause-statements-batch-1.html)

I'm willing to speculate that you could lay out a pile of "approved" applications and a pile of "denied" applications and nobody at all could distinguish the two piles. You would need to remove the obvious "retired LEO/judge" - I'm talking private citizen applications.

Why is one real estate agent approve and another denied?
Why is one guy fearing work in bad neighborhoods approve and another denied?

It's ridiculous.

Of course there's moral character - which, I hope in our new LTC world will simply be a non-prohibited class individual.

SWalt
05-07-2012, 7:45 AM
I just want to be very clear here: HowardW56, Connor P Price, dantodd, obeygiant, and other have invested countless hours as volunteers in facilitating our Sunshine Initiative because they care enough to do what few like to do - work hard for your rights. No one involved wants anything other than - at minimum - a shall-issue system.

-Brandon


^^^ This!

We all should be extremely grateful that there are those who are smart enough and have the audacity to push back gun control laws. My hats off to all of them!

SWalt
05-07-2012, 8:14 AM
As far as the HVAC contractor, being a contractor myself, I have been in some pretty shady neighborhoods with tools, equipment and material worth $10,000+ (500 lbs of copper is an easy target, $300 tool is worth $20 of crack). You travel every where and not to places you are familiar. Been in downtown LA to come out to the truck to find every latch pried out, been stared down by vatos who took exception to my presence in thier "hood", and was suppose to be in south central the night of the riots (only being aware of the verdict and common sense saved me from being there). You don't f... with a mans tools and livelihood! My GC statement would follow along those lines.

I would look for similar statements and time frames where 1 applicant was approved and the other denied. Goes to equal protection vs favoritism.

lawaia
05-07-2012, 10:17 AM
As far as the HVAC contractor, being a contractor myself, I have been in some pretty shady neighborhoods with tools, equipment and material worth $10,000+ (500 lbs of copper is an easy target, $300 tool is worth $20 of crack). You travel every where and not to places you are familiar. Been in downtown LA to come out to the truck to find every latch pried out, been stared down by vatos who took exception to my presence in thier "hood", and was suppose to be in south central the night of the riots (only being aware of the verdict and common sense saved me from being there). You don't f... with a mans tools and livelihood! My GC statement would follow along those lines.

I would look for similar statements and time frames where 1 applicant was approved and the other denied. Goes to equal protection vs favoritism.

You might want to look through the Riverside LTC forum. Sounds like you might have a pretty good GC. Probably wouldn't include the part about f'ing with a man and his tools, though.:)

DrDavid
05-07-2012, 10:24 AM
As far as the HVAC contractor, being a contractor myself, I have been in some pretty shady neighborhoods with tools, equipment and material worth $10,000+ (500 lbs of copper is an easy target, $300 tool is worth $20 of crack). You travel every where and not to places you are familiar. Been in downtown LA to come out to the truck to find every latch pried out, been stared down by vatos who took exception to my presence in thier "hood", and was suppose to be in south central the night of the riots (only being aware of the verdict and common sense saved me from being there). You don't f... with a mans tools and livelihood! My GC statement would follow along those lines.

I would look for similar statements and time frames where 1 applicant was approved and the other denied. Goes to equal protection vs favoritism.

You might want to look through the Riverside LTC forum. Sounds like you might have a pretty good GC. Probably wouldn't include the part about f'ing with a man and his tools, though.:)
+1. I'd say in Riverside, that a GC with those facts would get you an approval (assuming there's nothing that would disqualify, etc..).

It's not as hard to get a CCW as some would have you believe. :D

But, yeah, keep the GC statement free of profanity though.. LOL

IGOTDIRT4U
05-07-2012, 10:42 AM
What’s a “Professional Services Responder? or ‘PSR’”?



OC Sheriff's dept name for someone who is a Sheriff's volunteer, but not a cadet nor a sworn reserve officer, who has some special skill, training, education that aids the departments with the special need.

For instance, geologist (degree'd) might be used in Search and Rescue due to his expertise in soils, which could help identify the age of tracks and clues for a missing person, etc. Or a Mechnical Engineer to help design a new Mobile Tac truck.

In the past many of these people were confused with and lumped in with the alleged "Carona" reseves, the ones that had badges and were lambasted in the press.

The PSR's help departments get things done and for free, the benefit to the person who is the PSR is some training about the Sheriff dept, gives back to the community and in some cases may result in helping those professions that have continuing education requirements.

sreiter
05-07-2012, 2:52 PM
+1. I wonder how many people who applied with even remotely reasonable GC's (i.e. you didn't write something crazy on the app) got denied? Are GC's in OC just an exercise to show you took the time to read up on what OC considers to be a reasonable GC?
My friend got his renewal denied. He has a check cashing place in a seedy part of town. He's been stuck up. The lea said "use a amour car service"

Ubermcoupe
05-07-2012, 2:54 PM
OC Sheriff's dept name for someone who is a Sheriff's volunteer, but not a cadet nor a sworn reserve officer, who has some special skill, training, education that aids the departments with the special need.

For instance, geologist (degree'd) might be used in Search and Rescue due to his expertise in soils, which could help identify the age of tracks and clues for a missing person, etc. Or a Mechnical Engineer to help design a new Mobile Tac truck.

In the past many of these people were confused with and lumped in with the alleged "Carona" reseves, the ones that had badges and were lambasted in the press.

The PSR's help departments get things done and for free, the benefit to the person who is the PSR is some training about the Sheriff dept, gives back to the community and in some cases may result in helping those professions that have continuing education requirements.



IGD,

Cool, Thanks for the detailed response.

NoJoke
05-07-2012, 2:58 PM
My friend got his renewal denied. He has a check cashing place in a seedy part of town. He's been stuck up. The lea said "use a amour car service"

Oceanside Police Chief second in command (forgot his name) told me, "...you can open carry" a few months back.

...maybe not. :rolleyes:

SWalt
05-07-2012, 6:33 PM
As far as the HVAC contractor, being a contractor myself, I have been in some pretty shady neighborhoods with tools, equipment and material worth $10,000+ (500 lbs of copper is an easy target, $300 tool is worth $20 of crack). You travel every where and not to places you are familiar. Been in downtown LA to come out to the truck to find every latch pried out, been stared down by vatos who took exception to my presence in thier "hood", and was suppose to be in south central the night of the riots (only being aware of the verdict and common sense saved me from being there). You don't f... with a mans tools and livelihood! My GC statement would follow along those lines.

I would look for similar statements and time frames where 1 applicant was approved and the other denied. Goes to equal protection vs favoritism.

Think I gave the wrong impression, I was going more along the lines of what could be the reasons the contractor got approved. You can't always choose where your customers are located. But my GC would be close to or similar, without the F... part of course.

What time period are the approval and denials in? Reading through them there doesn't seem to be that many. Is OC's reputation such that no one applies? Maybe they have been culled? Any idea about when the other batches will be released? Most have to do with LE, firearms, and jewelers it seems. Some of the denials are very similar to ones that were approved.

live2suck
05-07-2012, 9:13 PM
So, I guess, yeah.. Seems a bit capricious why some get and some don't... Wonder if there were other factors at play?

*ding* *ding* *ding!*

No sh*t Sherlock, did you come to that conclusion all by yourself?

No, actually.. I'm not. I sincerely hope I'm not actually pissing people off, as opposed to just having a lively discussion/debate :)

You're doing a fair job of it here. Your "analysis" of other peoples' situations are usually weak and shallow; sometimes baseless. You very much have the attitude of "I've got mine, don't care about you." tainting your posts regarding LTCs, especially, when you're trying to be "helpful" or persuade others to apply. Please sit back, and keep your thoughts to yourself for a little while, it would be appreciated.

Now, onto the important matters.

I just want to be very clear here: HowardW56, Connor P Price, dantodd, obeygiant, and other have invested countless hours as volunteers in facilitating our Sunshine Initiative because they care enough to do what few like to do - work hard for your rights. No one involved wants anything other than - at minimum - a shall-issue system.

-Brandon

I want to reiterate Brandon's post, and thank each and every one of the volunteers at the CGF! Your hard work is appreciated; I know you all are working hard to lubricate the wheels of change (they've been stationary far too long). It's going to be great watching this state's laws being fixed one-by-one, and I patiently look forward to the day we are shall-issue. Thank you again!

viet4lifeOC
05-07-2012, 9:55 PM
I'm willing to speculate that you could lay out a pile of "approved" applications and a pile of "denied" applications and nobody at all could distinguish the two piles. You would need to remove the obvious "retired LEO/judge" - I'm talking private citizen applications.

Why is one real estate agent approve and another denied?
Why is one guy fearing work in bad neighborhoods approve and another denied?

It's ridiculous.

Of course there's moral character - which, I hope in our new LTC world will simply be a non-prohibited class individual.

This is also what upsets me. The subjective and arbitrary decision process by one person.

SamsDX
03-27-2015, 3:44 PM
Since Orange County looks like it's going back to requiring something more than self defense "good cause," I thought I'd bump this thread (and get it moved to the CCW subforum). The original link to the denied and approved good cause statements on the CGF website is now broken, so if anyone still has those PDFs, I think it would be great to be able to read them.

chris
03-30-2015, 3:36 PM
The first batch is here (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=5129617&postcount=1)

batch not found.

SamsDX
04-01-2015, 8:20 AM
batch not found.

I wonder if there's a reason for this. Between ~2012 when all of these good cause statements were posted and now, something must have happened for CGF to remove access to it. I understand that NBC v. Block allows some level of public access to CCW applications so I don't think what they did back then was illegal, but maybe it was a privacy matter?

The volunteers (HowardW56 in particular) did a good job redacting out a lot of the more specific information before publication.


Maybe the information is not as relevant anymore because it's a different Sheriff's discretion that the latest good cause statements must address, and nobody is really sure what qualifies and what doesn't. Nevertheless, some guidance from the past would be helpful.

ETA: Turns out it's just outdated information. Paladin provides an explanation here: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=15436351#post15436351