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fatsteve
04-30-2012, 11:14 PM
A while back I got to thinking about a gun that could be taken anywhere across the unite states with out any form of hassle, some form of gun that could be used for defense and sport. I soon realized that taking a firearm from state to state is as much of a problem as taking it from country to country in some instances.

So the question here for all of us is what gun could you take across the country? What center fire shotgun or rifle, or pistol would be legal in every state in the lower 48.

I'm guessing that double barrels would be legal everywhere; pump actions and revolvers almost everywhere. Pistols and semi-autos however I can see getting very difficult do because of state by state legislature.

So, is there a 100% legal in all states gun? (black powder and single shot excluded of course)

Munk
04-30-2012, 11:32 PM
barring places where guns are absurdly restricted or outlawed (hawaii, parts of illinois, D.C. NYC, etc...), and also barring any ammo restrictions (Looking at you New Jersey).

I'd say that any shotgun that's not an assault weapon or full auto fits.

Any rifle with the same criteria.

Most guns are generally legal. CA, MA (copying CA) and others just make them annoying.

Bolt-Action rifles are only a problem if you have a .50BMG, so almost all others are good to go.

Pump action rifles follow the same.

Since you don't mention hunting, you don't need to worry about slug-gun restrictions, and such.

7.62x54R
05-01-2012, 4:28 AM
Ruger Mini 14 very PC looking

The War Wagon
05-01-2012, 4:50 AM
The AR15.

VOID in the Peoples' Democratic Republics of New Yawk, New Joisey, Hellinois, Taxachusetts, & Commifornia, however.

In AMERICA though, they remain QUITE legal! :D

kielbasavw
05-01-2012, 8:00 AM
What about an old model 94

Harrison_Bergeron
05-01-2012, 10:31 AM
Is there anywhere a stock Saiga is illegal?

SilverTauron
05-01-2012, 11:17 AM
A lever action rifle isn't barred in any state or city I am aware of. If I were *FORCED* to live somewhere like NYC or Chicago, that would be my choice of home defense firearm. Its the most innocent looking long arm you can think of,which can come in handy at the Grand Jury in such socialist pits.

Lugiahua
05-01-2012, 11:44 AM
I know that SU-16A and E are legal even in Canada..

stix213
05-01-2012, 11:51 AM
m91/30 or a Springfield 1903 I would think.

Not an expert on the laws on the east coast, but I'd expect you'd have better luck with a .357 magnum 6 shooter rather than a semi-auto pistol.

IANAL

curtisfong
05-01-2012, 12:03 PM
M1 Garand or M1 Carbine?

fatsteve
05-01-2012, 3:42 PM
It is a bit comforting knowing that if you can get it in this gun forsaken stat you can take it anywhere in the U.S. But does anyone know of any really persnickety local laws? Like anywhere that bans specific pump actions or bolts?

I'm wondering if a stoeger Double Defense or Mossberg 500 are banned by name anywhere.

fatsteve
05-01-2012, 3:53 PM
The AR15.

VOID in the Peoples' Democratic Republics of New Yawk, New Joisey, Hellinois, Taxachusetts, & Commifornia, however.

In AMERICA though, they remain QUITE legal! :D

I will have to move to America one of these days.......

SilverTauron
05-01-2012, 3:57 PM
It is a bit comforting knowing that if you can get it in this gun forsaken stat you can take it anywhere in the U.S. But does anyone know of any really persnickety local laws? Like anywhere that bans specific pump actions or bolts?

I'm wondering if a stoeger Double Defense or Mossberg 500 are banned by name anywhere.

Someplace in Illinois it is.

Perhaps this is or isn't common knowledge, but Illinois does not have state pre-emption on weapons regulations. Each town, city, district, and county can pass whatever strict gun laws it sees fit as long as the requirements are stronger than state regulations. IL state regs are that concealed carry is a felony and that all weapons must be cased and in a trunk for legal transport.

Thus ,unlike most places a check of Illinois State Police's website on legal transport does you no good at all, because local towns you pass through can do everything short of explicit bans on firearms. Some towns-like Highland Park IL, where I used to work, mandate a $500 permit be paid to the police cheif to possess a handgun in city limits. No permit=confiscation and a fine of $500.

Not all towns list their regulations online either, so when traveling though Illinois a wise gun owner would ensure they get from one end of the state to the other as fast as the laws of physics and the speed limit can permit.

fatsteve
05-01-2012, 4:06 PM
Do you think there would be any grounds to sue the town over not explicitly informing people that the city policy was more strict than the rest of the states? I'm pretty sure that If a particular town banned pink Yamaha motorcycles and fined/imprisoned you for it, you would have grounds to sue them for not making it painfully obvious.

Thanks for the tip for steering clear of Illinois btw

SilverTauron
05-01-2012, 4:12 PM
Do you think there would be any grounds to sue the town over not explicitly informing people that the city policy was more strict than the rest of the states? I'm pretty sure that If a particular town banned pink Yamaha motorcycles and fined/imprisoned you for it, you would have grounds to sue them for not making it painfully obvious.

Thanks for the tip for steering clear of Illinois btw

Youre welcome.Its part of why my free-state self participates here.


It happened in Chicago. A small case that didn't change much called ....what was it again.....McDonald, if I remember correctly.:D


In any case most localities get away with it because the victims have two options when they get nailed;door # 1 is to plea bargain down to a fine and forfeiture of the firearm in exchange for being allowed to breathe free air and go back to free America. Door number 2 is to sit in jail while you wait, wait, and wait longer for the lawyers to argue back and forth-at your expense-as to whether the local law was unconstitutional.

Guess which option is leading the metrics right now?;)

fatsteve
05-01-2012, 4:20 PM
yea, that seems like how it usually goes. I just want to know if it is in any way shape or form possible to fight it.

Know any handguns that would be kosher all the way from east coast to west?

And does illinois offer any exemptions if the gun is field stripped or dissaembled to a certain extent?

jwkincal
05-01-2012, 6:04 PM
M1 Garand or M1 Carbine?

Winner!

CMP can legally and will ship anything that meets the definition of "firearm" federally to your house at their discretion.
-Gene

SilverTauron
05-01-2012, 6:53 PM
yea, that seems like how it usually goes. I just want to know if it is in any way shape or form possible to fight it.

Know any handguns that would be kosher all the way from east coast to west?

And does illinois offer any exemptions if the gun is field stripped or dissaembled to a certain extent?

Just the FOPA....as an affirmative defense.There's no exceptions which permit legal travel across all of the state for citizens,as local laws can be truly byzantine.One suburb requires all handguns in its city limits to be locked with a trigger or action lock .There's no exemptions in the law written in for travellers,so this theoretically applies to a gun in city limits in your trunk.Cased,unloaded,but no lock?You have the right to remain silent,etc.....

I don't know of any handgun which is truly 50 state legal.Mass. far as I know has a trigger requirement unique to its state.

gunsandrockets
05-02-2012, 12:48 AM
The OP is a little confusing, with all the conditionals.

However I take the meaning as what kind of firearms will give a person the greatest utility as a self-defense weapon while at the same time avoiding legal hassle in the less free areas of America.

The New Jersey load

When it comes to handguns, I think the most restrictive law I have heard of (short of virtual possession bans such as D.C., Chicago or NYC) is the hollow-point handgun ammunition law of New Jersey. That one seems to trip up quite a few people. So I recommend a .44 S&W Special caliber double-action revolver loaded with the Buffalo Bore Ammunition full wadcutter bullet load.

A rifle for Commiefornia

When it comes to rifles, detachable magazines seems the biggest problem, though mere capacity can be an issue too. The safest solution is the 8 round clip-fed M-1 rifle.

nick
05-02-2012, 1:47 AM
The problem here will likely be not so much what gun is legal, but what it takes to possess one. Illinois, and some other states back east, require some sort of FOID to even possess any gun. No FOID, no possession, except for in very narrow circumstances.

fatsteve
05-02-2012, 2:27 AM
Nailed it gunsandrockets, That is what I was pondering, a sport/defensive firearm that would work well enough for both to be fun and comforting.

I was thinking a pump action shotgun because of the sheer utility.

slugs or buckshot for defense or game, and bird shot for sport

And you could even use it as a flare gun with 12 ga Flares.

And if you plan to use it for hunting the 3 shell limit for hunting should keep it legal for all states that don't require you to sign up for a gun License just to talk about one.