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JackRydden224
04-28-2012, 11:58 PM
What is the value of an Argentine Browning Hi Power?

I'm was looking at one today that says the following on the slide:

ARMSCORP
SILVER SPRING MD
MADE IN ARGENTINA

I've never seen another Hi Power at a local store before so I have no idea how much should a new one from Belgium cost. Any help would be appreciated so I know whether to get it or pass.

Thanks!

zfields
04-29-2012, 12:00 AM
ive seen them go for between 300-400 depending on condition.

InGrAM
04-29-2012, 12:09 AM
ive seen them go for between 300-400 depending on condition.

^ in a free state or roster exempt. In CA on consignment or PTP I would expect them to go a little higher than that, IMO.

They are great guns and I love mine. Some people don't like the "1911" style slide on the newer ones but I find it pleasing to the eye.

JackRydden224
04-29-2012, 12:39 AM
Are they good shooters or is this something I can flip it for a profit or trade? The guy is offering me $475 for it saying that a Belgian Hi Power would cost me about $900.

I'm happy with my Steyr so I don't need another 9mm. If I get it I will either need to sell it for profit or trade for/towards a 1911.

zfields
04-29-2012, 12:43 AM
at 475 you arent going to make anything on it. Unless the gun is completely perfect, I wouldnt shell that out. you can pick up israli surplus hipowers still for about that, FN made. Hes trying to quote you the NEW price for an FN, and even that is high.

JackRydden224
04-29-2012, 12:59 AM
at 475 you arent going to make anything on it. Unless the gun is completely perfect, I wouldnt shell that out. you can pick up israli surplus hipowers still for about that, FN made. Hes trying to quote you the NEW price for an FN, and even that is high.

Oh damn. Thanks for the advice.

Since the gun is completely unnecessary for me there is no point to look for it unless it has business value to it.

Quiet
04-29-2012, 4:44 AM
Current MSRP on a (made in Belgium, assembled in Portugal) Browning High Power is $1050.
BudsGunShop has them for $885.

morrcarr67
04-29-2012, 5:04 AM
Too bad you aren't looking for a shooter because they are great.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=74342&d=1288963255

brianinca
04-29-2012, 6:44 AM
>>>
Too bad you aren't looking for a shooter because they are great.
>>>

Yep, the M95 is a bargain in a great shooting 9mm. Both my sons started shooting centerfire pistols with our M95, great ergonomics. $475 is at least $100 too much even in CA.

Regards,
Brian in CA

Steve1968LS2
04-29-2012, 6:57 AM
Are they good shooters or is this something I can flip it for a profit or trade? The guy is offering me $475 for it saying that a Belgian Hi Power would cost me about $900.

I'm happy with my Steyr so I don't need another 9mm. If I get it I will either need to sell it for profit or trade for/towards a 1911.

He's wrong.. my '84 BHP (Belgium) cost me $600.. that one should be $400 or less.

The Argentinian ones are far less desired than the normal FN versions.

Lots of BHP info here:

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/HiPowerComments.html

ap3572001
04-29-2012, 7:16 AM
Here in Ca stores sometimes will have a clean , used Made in Belgium Hi Powers for about 600.00 -900.00.

JTecalo
04-29-2012, 8:28 AM
600 was what mine cost. 1972 Belgium made

ap3572001
04-29-2012, 8:31 AM
600 was what mine cost. 1972 Belgium made

That is a VERY good price for a 1972 BHP. ( In ANY state)

zfields
04-29-2012, 8:41 AM
I picked up a 1984 for under 400, israli surplus gun.

Damn gun was shot to **** though.

jessegpresley
04-29-2012, 9:29 AM
Hes trying to quote you the NEW price for an FN, and even that is high.

$900 seems reasonable for a new FN or Browning Hi-Power.

Those Argentine FM Hi-Powers are kinda janky.

brianinca
04-29-2012, 9:35 AM
>>>
Those Argentine FM Hi-Powers are kinda janky.
>>>

?? You realize FM produced them under license for over two decades, yes? After the license expired they made a range of improvements as well as a chopped Commander style variant?

I just cleaned our FM95 yesterday, it's just another BHP, unlike the unlicensed variants made in Eastern Europe. For less than $300 it is an outstanding value, not something I would say about a made in Portugal modern BHP.

Regards,
Brian in CA

gef
04-29-2012, 9:51 AM
For my Belgium Browning Hi Power I paid $108.50 but that was in 1969.

jessegpresley
04-29-2012, 10:45 AM
For my Belgium Browning Hi Power I paid $108.50 but that was in 1969.

$678 in todays money.

BruinGuy
04-29-2012, 12:01 PM
There's nothing "janky" about an FM Hi-Power. Mine is going on 18 years and at least 10k rounds and still shoots great with zero issues. I'd put it up against any standard Hi-Power. Cost $200 new in 1994.

I'd agree that $475 is too much considering you can find them for $100 less pretty easily (just not in CA).

InGrAM
04-29-2012, 1:44 PM
$900 seems reasonable for a new FN or Browning Hi-Power.

Those Argentine FM Hi-Powers are kinda janky.

:confused: Okay......

JackRydden224
04-29-2012, 1:50 PM
There's nothing "janky" about an FM Hi-Power. Mine is going on 18 years and at least 10k rounds and still shoots great with zero issues. I'd put it up against any standard Hi-Power. Cost $200 new in 1994.

I'd agree that $475 is too much considering you can find them for $100 less pretty easily (just not in CA).

I think that's what the current owner is saying and his main reason for wanting $475 for it. The gun is in good condition, it doesn't look like he put too many rounds in it.

At this point I think my $475 is better spent if I put it towards a RIA 1911 Tactical.

InGrAM
04-29-2012, 2:15 PM
^ all depends on what kind of gun you want. RIA makes some good 1911's. I own both a 38super/9mm RIA and a FM, if I had to choose just one I would choose the RIA.

Here is a guy that wants too much for his FM, but it shows you how much people think they are worth.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=283961467

jessegpresley
04-29-2012, 2:15 PM
:confused: Okay......

Tell me what was confusing with my post and I'll try to explain it to you.

InGrAM
04-29-2012, 2:32 PM
Tell me what was confusing with my post and I'll try to explain it to you.

I was wondering why you would post about things you obviously know nothing about.

jessegpresley
04-29-2012, 2:39 PM
I was wondering why you would post about things you obviously know nothing about.

Maybe you could be more specific.

InGrAM
04-29-2012, 5:37 PM
Maybe you could be more specific.

You referred to FM Hi-Powers as being "Janky." If you are using the term "janky" as I think you intended to, then you do not know what you are talking about in terms of FM Hi-Powers.

The first definition of "janky" on Google comes up as "of poor quality, odd." That is simply not true of the FM made hi-power.

Now, if you meant "janky" to have a different meaning (which is possible considering it is not in the dictionary), then please explain.

jessegpresley
04-29-2012, 6:34 PM
You referred to FM Hi-Powers as being "Janky." If you are using the term "janky" as I think you intended to, then you do not know what you are talking about in terms of FM Hi-Powers.

The ones I've handled didn't seem near as nice as the Belgium or Portuguese ones, and would never consider buying one. But you and I seem to have different levels of standards in terms of fit/finish. You like RIAs and FM Hi Powers, I don't.

JackRydden224
04-29-2012, 9:33 PM
^ all depends on what kind of gun you want. RIA makes some good 1911's. I own both a 38super/9mm RIA and a FM, if I had to choose just one I would choose the RIA.

Here is a guy that wants too much for his FM, but it shows you how much people think they are worth.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=283961467

Great advice. I love the 1911 but I don't want to stock the .45 ACP when 9mm costs half as much. I will have to save up money for the RIA 9mm.

When I was looking up on the Hi-Power again today I found the exact gun on gunsamerica. A local pawn shop was selling it for $475 which is probably where my guy got the idea for $475.

BrassCase
04-29-2012, 11:10 PM
I think I saw used Hi-Power at RoyalTigerImports.com

JackRydden224
04-29-2012, 11:42 PM
I think I saw used Hi-Power at RoyalTigerImports.com

Their website is done. How much are they selling for?

zfields
04-30-2012, 8:44 AM
Their website is done. How much are they selling for?

They are Israli surplus. Some are very beat up.

k55f
04-30-2012, 10:21 AM
For my Belgium Browning Hi Power I paid $108.50 but that was in 1969.
Gas was 25.9 cents a gallon, pot was $10.00 an ounce, and Remingto Rand .45s were $150.
Yeah, I'm old, too.

Oldnoob
04-30-2012, 11:42 AM
Probably $300~400. FM made true clone licensed by FN. All parts suppose to match FN build. I have seem few and the last one was a 98% condition with box and paper selling for $400 (in 2009). The finish it definitely no where near the FN build HP but for a shooter, I would go with that than a FEG any day.

JackRydden224
04-30-2012, 12:39 PM
The selection goes from very good for $400, add $100 for excellent and another $50 for like new condition. So the price ranges from $400 to $550 which is actually fairly priced if they are good shooters. For a new pistol in this price range you are looking at a XD9, G17, M&P 9 and 92fs which are all good choices. Now I have the urge to try one out.

I have an Israeli friend who wants to get into shooting. I'm sure he'll be pleased when I tell him I found a good Israeli made weapon.

zfields
04-30-2012, 1:51 PM
The selection goes from very good for $400, add $100 for excellent and another $50 for like new condition. So the price ranges from $400 to $550 which is actually fairly priced if they are good shooters. For a new pistol in this price range you are looking at a XD9, G17, M&P 9 and 92fs which are all good choices. Now I have the urge to try one out.

I have an Israeli friend who wants to get into shooting. I'm sure he'll be pleased when I tell him I found a good Israeli made weapon.

They arent Israeli made, FN produced them. They do have Israeli military marks on them though.

JackRydden224
04-30-2012, 1:55 PM
They arent Israeli made, FN produced them. They do have Israeli military marks on them though.

Thanks for clarifying zfields. You've been very helpful. My Israeli friend comes from a military and police family. I'm sure this will be a good find for him an his father.

Now maybe I can get one for myself ;)

How does the HP stack up to the modern popular 9mm handguns?

zfields
04-30-2012, 2:13 PM
Thanks for clarifying zfields. You've been very helpful. My Israeli friend comes from a military and police family. I'm sure this will be a good find for him an his father.

Now maybe I can get one for myself ;)

How does the HP stack up to the modern popular 9mm handguns?

Really matters what fits YOU. Its a great pistol, but I think as far as all steel 9mm handguns, CZ its the cats meow. It has a "similar" feel to the HP, but really improves lots of aspects of it. Better ergos (imo), a bit more natural on target.


This is the HP that went back due to issues with the barrel bushing/barrel fit.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-DNEXM2blBjs/TSYbc1-vSZI/AAAAAAAAAEs/m05r8Ff-V2s/s800/IMG_20110106_113435.jpg


This is what I replaced it with.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-crMb_SOLTCQ/TV7_bVlio1I/AAAAAAAAAHM/w0AaSXfBFJM/s800/DSC00369.JPG

gef
04-30-2012, 2:27 PM
Gas was 25.9 cents a gallon, pot was $10.00 an ounce, and Remingto Rand .45s were $150.
Yeah, I'm old, too.

For the life on me I couldn't remember what a gallon of gas cost back then, and I never tried pot, but to old I know. The reason I know the Hi Powers cost is I still have the receipt.

tacticalcity
04-30-2012, 2:30 PM
I really hate it when people tell me what they paid for their muscle cars and houses back in the 60s. I realize it is all relative, but it kills me that people had things like Hemi Cudas and sold them because something newer and shinnier crossed their path. If they only knew what we know now.