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roushstage2
04-25-2012, 10:48 PM
I've been wanting a handgun for awhile now, and figured it'd be a good time to really think about getting one before they sell out everywhere. I was going to get some more AR lowers, so the handgun was pushed to the front of my shopping list.

Well, I go into the store and take a peek at what they've got. The debate is always what is better: 9MM or 40S&W? How do you decide what to get at that point?

Answer: what they've got in stock. 40S&W it is!

I've got an XD-40 now waiting in jail. :D I guess where it was bad was going into the store and actually having proof of residency on me (my DL doesn't work; PO BOX). I had to have it when I picked up my Marlin 60 today. Took the HSC test without any prior studying; again, wasn't planning on buying a handgun. Finished it in roughly a minute and got a perfect score. :)

Cannot wait! Need to start saving 1. to get my bank account back up now :p and then 2. to take a CCW class and get the ball rolling on that!

wjc
04-25-2012, 10:51 PM
Buy a 1911 in .45 ACP. :D

Hope you enjoy your new pistol. I love those impulse buys!

DannyInSoCal
04-25-2012, 11:00 PM
10% more energy with twice the recoil -

I'll pass and stick with the 9mm, .45, and .50GI.

That's the great thing - Get a few in each caliber and don't sweat it.

Welcome to gun ownership....

:43:

SwPx4
04-25-2012, 11:14 PM
Love my 40! Have fun!

IrishPirate
04-25-2012, 11:25 PM
i always say .40 since you can (usually) swap barrels/mags and shoot 9mm if you really want to...can't make a 9mm shoot .40

I want to impulse buy something but everything in a gun shop screams "buy me!" and i can never choose. Every time I have enough $$$ saved for something, i see something else i could buy and I can't decide which one i want more! every handgun makes me want to finish my AR, which makes me just want to buy an AK, which makes me want an SKS, which makes me want another Mosin, which makes me want a Remington 700 LTR, which makes me want a SOCOM 16, which makes me want several handguns, which brings up the whole cycle over again....So i go to wal-mart and buy ammo instead and start the saving process over...

:willy_nilly:

HonkingAntelope
04-25-2012, 11:27 PM
It's not a debate you can end, since people have their own preferences.

Personally, I subscribe to the school of the bigger the better - as long as you don't sacrifice practice, accuracy, and technique in the process. Even if you do find .40S&W a bit much, you can always rent a gun in a smaller caliber until you work your way up to to your own gun (no range in CA will rent a gun to someone coming in alone, but if you have your own gun, it's all good). Congrats on getting your first handgun!

IBJanky
04-25-2012, 11:44 PM
The .40S&W is my least favored caliber.

I prefer the classic 9mm and .45ACP variants.

myke

mdimeo
04-25-2012, 11:45 PM
.40 is the biggest caliber I can shoot without developing a flinch, so I stopped there.

HonkingAntelope
04-25-2012, 11:47 PM
.40 is the biggest caliber I can shoot without developing a flinch, so I stopped there.

That was my point exactly! For a lot of people, the cost of ammo is a limiting factor, as well.

j.primo
04-25-2012, 11:47 PM
.357 sig. The child from 9mm & .40s&w.

CBruce
04-25-2012, 11:56 PM
How to end the debate between 9MM and 40S&W...


Gather 10,000 people with 9mm and 10,000 people with 40S&W
Line them up facing each other (like giant game of Red-Rover)
Each side fires at opposing side until all ammo is expended
Side with most survivors is the superior caliber
Profit?

jessegpresley
04-26-2012, 12:06 AM
The more I shoot, the less I like 40S&W. It's almost as much as .45, and I'd rather just shoot those. 9mm is relatively inexpensive, and it'll do 90% of what a 40 would do. I don't think a 40 is a good first pistol because the rounds are more expensive, and recoil is more pronounced.

NorCalK9.com
04-26-2012, 12:08 AM
my glocks are in 40 and I must say I enjoy them.
My beretta is in 9mm and I like 9mm just not the pistol lol.

roushstage2
04-26-2012, 8:46 AM
The more I shoot, the less I like 40S&W. It's almost as much as .45, and I'd rather just shoot those. 9mm is relatively inexpensive, and it'll do 90% of what a 40 would do. I don't think a 40 is a good first pistol because the rounds are more expensive, and recoil is more pronounced.

Not as expensive as "good" .308 though :) I can see it is a love hate with .40 here, lol. I shot a .40XD before and the only problem I had was aim (I had 0 clue about the six o'clock position and was covering my target with the sights like a rifle) and I also doubt I was holding it properly. Snappy round? Yeah, I suppose. I don't have anything to compare it to so...

bubbagump
04-26-2012, 8:57 AM
The solution is .45 ACP, good ammo, and shot placement.

Problem solved :D

Turo
04-26-2012, 9:12 AM
10% more energy with twice the recoil -

I'll pass and stick with the 9mm, .45, and .50GI.

That's the great thing - Get a few in each caliber and don't sweat it.

Welcome to gun ownership....

:43:

:rolleyes:

g17owner
04-26-2012, 10:08 AM
Purchase a Beretta 96 of some sort and then the upper off of a 92. Best of both worlds. Caliber change is limited to how fast you can swing the take down lever and slide the upper of and new caliber on.

FX-05 Xiuhcoatl
04-26-2012, 10:14 AM
How to end the debate between 9MM and 40S&W...


Gather 10,000 people with 9mm and 10,000 people with 40S&W
Line them up facing each other (like giant game of Red-Rover)
Each side fires at opposing side until all ammo is expended
Side with most survivors is the superior caliber
Profit?


:rofl2: 9mm :surrender: ^ best post reply.

Lead Waster
04-26-2012, 10:16 AM
I'm not a very good shot with .45. 9mm I'm better.

I shot my friends Glock 23 and I was doing remarkably well. Might be the gun, might be the caliber, might be the combination.

Dreaded Claymore
04-26-2012, 10:18 AM
I, also, bought a HS Produkt Springfield XD, chambered in .40 S&W, as my first gun. I'm considering selling it now, and buying something in 9mm, because I don't like the snappy recoil. I figure that even if one modern expanding 9mm bullet doesn't stop someone, I can just take advantage of the reduced recoil to shoot them again.

Novaholic
04-26-2012, 10:19 AM
Take a look at the S&W M&P .40

You can buy a barrel in 9mm for the .40 from Storm Lake,, now you have the best of both worlds!!

Lead Waster
04-26-2012, 10:27 AM
You know, since I only shoot paper (and steel in USPSA matches). The 9mm is a nice economical round for most real shooting needs.

For home defense, well, since I have kids I don't keep loaded guns around and all guns are in the safe. So my HD weapon is a large maglite. And if I had to open the safe, the Mossberg 500 is right there, as well as a 1911 with a loaded mag next to it.

I don't think there really is a 9mm/.40 cal debate. IF you can shoot equally well with both then pick the .40, since well, it's bigger and has more powder behind it... IF you shoot both equally. If you shoot 9mm BETTER, then that's the thing to go with. Remember the old saying "A 9 in a bad guy is worth two .40s in the bush" or something like that.

MadMax
04-26-2012, 10:36 AM
9mm and 40cal do basically the same amount of damage, 9mm = higher capacity 9mm wins.:D

:xwing:

:80:

(I always wanted to use those)

ns3v3n
04-26-2012, 11:20 AM
The best way to end the debate is to stop making threads about them and buy whatever that makes you happy, not what other people tell you on the internet.

Oh and congrats on your new pistol :)

corcoraj2002
04-26-2012, 11:26 AM
I, also, bought a HS Produkt Springfield XD, chambered in .40 S&W, as my first gun. I'm considering selling it now, and buying something in 9mm, because I don't like the snappy recoil. I figure that even if one modern expanding 9mm bullet doesn't stop someone, I can just take advantage of the reduced recoil to shoot them again.

Just buy a 9mm barrel from lone wolf.

GunHo
04-26-2012, 12:08 PM
9mm and 40cal do basically the same amount of damage, 9mm = higher capacity 9mm wins.:D

:xwing:

:80:

(I always wanted to use those)


Dude, that is the coolest signature I've seen. I like it a lot... Where?

rubber duckie
04-26-2012, 12:13 PM
i bought a 226 in .40 , after first range trip, i went searching for a 9mm barrel and mags. 40 barrel and mags never were used again.

MadMax
04-26-2012, 1:08 PM
Dude, that is the coolest signature I've seen. I like it a lot... Where?

Just right click on the changing ar pic, save picture as and save it to your computer, then upload to photobucket and add it to your sig:D

Oh and on topic

:beatdeadhorse5:

roushstage2
04-26-2012, 2:33 PM
9mm and 40cal do basically the same amount of damage, 9mm = higher capacity 9mm wins.:D

:xwing:

:80:

(I always wanted to use those)You can only have 10 rounds. 10 is greater than 10? :confused:



Oh and on topic

:beatdeadhorse5:You apparently didn't read my post :)

MadMax
04-26-2012, 2:36 PM
You can have more then 10 rounds so that's BS

sanjosebmx
04-26-2012, 3:12 PM
9mm and 40cal do basically the same amount of damage, 9mm = higher capacity 9mm wins.:D

:xwing:

:80:

(I always wanted to use those)

not in Kalifornia..

roushstage2
04-26-2012, 3:13 PM
If you haven't owned the "high cap" mag since before the ban and aren't LEO?

roushstage2
04-26-2012, 3:22 PM
I guess what I'm getting at is: is it common for most people on this forum to have legally owned hi-cap mags for every firearm they purchased after the ban? I understand saying that you can only have 10 rounds, period for anyone, is FUD. However, if I had to guess, a lot of people aren't in the scenario I described. I'm a young Calgunner buying my first handgun and come from a family that hasn't ever owned firearms. Unless I become LEO or the ban is lifted, I'm stuck at 10 rounds on any restricted firearm, so....yeah. :)

MadMax
04-26-2012, 3:57 PM
Well in that case they r the same rock whatever floats your boat:D

five.five-six
04-26-2012, 4:33 PM
What's needed is a set of dueling pistols in 9mm and .40S&W

advocatusdiaboli
04-26-2012, 6:18 PM
.357 sig. The child from 9mm & .40s&w.

I like my P239 in .357 SIG but barrel life reportedly suffers due to the pressures. Haven't gotten there yet and besides I have .40 and 9mm barrels, mags, and a 9mm recoil spring for it so it's all good ;-)

3006mv
04-26-2012, 7:10 PM
why don't you get shot by a couple rounds of each and let us know which you would prefer. Just get a 10mm or .400 corbon

dan12580
04-26-2012, 7:15 PM
I shoot 9 mm because its cheap and because of my suppressed sbrs. I dont shoot 40 because i got it right the first time around with my 45acps.

Cheap Shot
04-26-2012, 7:53 PM
Just remember...it is always safest to keep the gun pointing north.

Wish the test was for more than collecting $25.

mjmagee67
04-26-2012, 8:04 PM
I got both!

Sunday
04-26-2012, 8:11 PM
Stock up on ammo!!! What is nice about 40 is that is a homeland security round and during the last ammo scare "Stupid people" there was 40 on the shelves at Walmart. 40 works better than 9mm due to the heavier bullet all things equal. I have 9mms and I don't care to shoot the caliber it feels blah. 38 special is fine, 40 is good 45 acp is better 44 mag sucks

roushstage2
04-26-2012, 8:24 PM
Just remember...it is always safest to keep the gun pointing north.

Wish the test was for more than collecting $25.
Indeed!
I got both!
I might just have to get a 9MM anyways, or the .45 because, well, it's a .45 :43:. Apparently, someone I know has a hook-up (of course I find this out today, after the fact!). I could have saved ~$125, but it is what it is.
Stock up on ammo!!! What is nice about 40 is that is a homeland security round and during the last ammo scare "Stupid people" there was 40 on the shelves at Walmart. 40 works better than 9mm due to the heavier bullet all things equal. I have 9mms and I don't care to shoot the caliber it feels blah. 38 special is fine, 40 is good 45 acp is better 44 mag sucks
Yeah! I've already been checking out prices and have a good idea of where I'll be stopping by!

NorCalK9.com
04-26-2012, 10:10 PM
40 beats 9mm everyday of the week!
For the guy who said 40 costs almost as much as 45 is on crack! 1000 rnds 40 $200
1000 45 $300ish. Thats a 1/3 higher.
9mm is a great round all in all.

ojisan
04-26-2012, 10:25 PM
I got both!

This is always the correct CalGuns answer....get both!
:yes:

tbhracing
04-26-2012, 10:32 PM
Tagged :)

chrisf
04-26-2012, 10:39 PM
get both!!!

ClarenceBoddicker
04-26-2012, 11:33 PM
Caliber choice depends on you anticipated needs. For me firepower is vastly more important than imaginary "stopping" or "knockdown" power. Another important consideration is the ability to get factory produced ammo that can defeat soft body armor. As .40 S&W was invented after the Federal 1986 steel core pistol ammo ban, there is no steel core .40 S&W ammo in the civilian market. There is tons of pre ban steel core 9mm ammo in the market, if you know what to look for. 9mm is the choice for me. I also bought tons of pre-ban (1994-2004 Fed AWB) high capacity mags before the 2000 CA cutoff date.

ApexMolester
04-26-2012, 11:34 PM
I enjoy both my 9, and 40 caliber pistols and have other calibers as well. I shoot all of them equally well, and really don't have a favorite one. I use each for different reasons, and spend equal time with all of them. Shooting any one of them more over the others will always yield more confidence with that caliber until you move onto another.

I do have a favorite in each caliber though..

SA XD9 Service

SW 4006

PA 12

tacticalcity
04-26-2012, 11:38 PM
When I bought my H&K USPc 40S&W a few years back I had the same deciding factor. I really wanted a 9mm LEM version. But they just were not available at the time.

glockman19
04-27-2012, 7:40 AM
When in Doubt...choose a NATO caliber.

I like 9mm over .40ACP because of the availability and follow-up shots.

I prefer the 9mm because I can rapid fire a tight group. Recoil on the .40...at least for me, groups open up.

9mm is also less expensive.

Moto4Fun
04-27-2012, 11:33 AM
Bummer, I thought there was going to be a proven method to end the debate. The OP is right though (in my opinion), they are not that different so just get what they have in stock. Ultimately we should all have at least one gun in every caliber. They are tools, and you wouldn't get 15 different versions of a 1/2" wrench just because that is your favorite size would you?

MyGlock17
04-27-2012, 11:52 AM
.40 s&w is fun to shoot as well as the 9mm...But for me i can shoot both really good but for rapid firing the 9mm for me is much faster with better control....i would go with the 9mm..But that being said you can master anything if you just shoot it alot..i tend to shoot the 9mm alot more than anything else so in reality it's all up to the shooter and what he or she shoots best...

rgs1975
04-27-2012, 12:31 PM
"How to end the debate between 9MM and 40S&W..."

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/5599/96144142.jpg

cineski
04-27-2012, 12:57 PM
How in the name of physics is this even possible when only taking caliber into consideration? Sure, if you shoot a 357mag from a snubby you get about the same power as a 9mm in a compact but brutal recoil.

10% more energy with twice the recoil -

J.D.Allen
04-27-2012, 1:32 PM
I figure that even if one modern expanding 9mm bullet doesn't stop someone, I can just take advantage of the reduced recoil to shoot them again.

What I always say is, if someone's worth shooting once, they're worth shooting again...

Peaceful John
04-27-2012, 1:33 PM
I like simplicity. If the FBI, subsequent to that Miami unpleasantness, finally settled on the Glock 22 and 27, well, that's good enough for me. YMMD.

roushstage2
04-27-2012, 3:35 PM
"How to end the debate between 9MM and 40S&W..."

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/5599/96144142.jpg
lol.

LoadedM333
04-27-2012, 3:41 PM
I got both!

Same here! Plus .357sig, .45, 357 mag, 10mm.:)

Dreaded Claymore
04-27-2012, 9:08 PM
Take a look at the S&W M&P .40

You can buy a barrel in 9mm for the .40 from Storm Lake,, now you have the best of both worlds!!

Just buy a 9mm barrel from lone wolf.

i bought a 226 in .40 , after first range trip, i went searching for a 9mm barrel and mags. 40 barrel and mags never were used again.

Wouldn't I have to change the extractor too? I'd think the gun would become unreliable because of the too-big extractor. Am I wrong?

HondaMasterTech
04-27-2012, 9:12 PM
If it can't be done with a 9mm you need a 12 gauge.

vta
04-27-2012, 9:12 PM
If there is a way to end this debate, one of these calibers would cease to exist.

ArcherDog
04-27-2012, 9:19 PM
I have both (FN 9mm & M&P 40) and I haven't experienced the horrible recoil that everyone's worried about on the 40. In fact I don't think I could tell the difference in a blind test.