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em9sredbeam
04-25-2012, 12:49 PM
I keep having the idea of looking at a 32 tomcat or seacamp, A 380 or small 9mm that fits easy in a jacket pocket. What is out there that is worth looking into? I have plenty of larger pistols, but curious about something that is smaller IN Size

Bug Splat
04-25-2012, 12:52 PM
Kahr is my #1 pick for concealment pistols.

The tomcat is junk btw, I'd stay away.

troysland
04-25-2012, 12:52 PM
I enjoy the feel of a Kahr cw9 when I CCW.

tbhracing
04-25-2012, 12:52 PM
Tagged. I wanna see the answers. I like the Glock 26, but think the OP is not going in this direction. :)

robcoe
04-25-2012, 12:54 PM
Comfortable, for me the best is the Colt 1903, but they can be a bit hard to find.

In something more modern, the Sig 230 and 232 and Walther PK380 were the most comfortable for me.

YMMV

Exile Machine
04-25-2012, 12:56 PM
I've been eyeballing a Ruger LCP at my local gun shop. Looks like a good choice for a back up gun or something to pocket in the summer.
-Mark

tacticalcity
04-25-2012, 1:01 PM
Loaded question. I have yet to find one that is actually comfortable. Comfort becomes relative. The smaller you go, the more uncomfortable they get. Those super tiny 380 pistols usually hurt to fire. But they are last resort weapons or special use weapons, to be used when something bigger is not possible. So a little discomfort is worth it. Just bear in mind the smaller the gun, the less they absorb the recoil and the more you will feel it and the more difficult they will be to control in general.

The ones you meantioned are always brought up as winners along with the PPK. I've never fired them personally. I owned a Bersa Thunder 380. Had a bit of lip on the rear to protect from hammer bite, and some major/unique safety features (over kill actually) such as an internal gun lock. For what it was it was a nifty little gun. If I were in the market for gun that would be carried in a bag, it would be one I would consider again.

For regular holster carry I like the Glock 26 9mm. It is a little thicker than I like, but its got the Glock functionality and defensive size round, which is a major plus for me.

The new S&W M&P SHIELD 9MM looks impressive. Getting lots of love from some very picky reviewers online. Not sure how I feel about the safety on it. Need some trigger time before I decide how I feel about it. Not sure I will ever get it.

Ruger makes a long list of pocket carry 380s and small 9mms, as does Khar. I don't have a lot of experience with them. When investigating them there where little things that came up that I didn't like (don't exactly remember what they were) so I decided to stick with a Glock as my primary and CCW.

All comes down to what you plan to use them for as to which one shines the most. Personal preferrance plays a big roll as well.

theneko
04-25-2012, 1:03 PM
Kahr P9 or P45. I like the PM series too but the P- series is a little larger and feels better to me. Still very thin though.

Eddie916
04-25-2012, 1:06 PM
another vote for the Sig p230 or 232... big size feel, yet conceable.

tal3nt
04-25-2012, 1:11 PM
A lot more to consider than just size when it comes to carrying concealed. Glock.

enzo357
04-25-2012, 1:34 PM
Cop buddy has kahr 380. That gun is so small it fits in your front jean pocket (unloaded of course). Shooting it is ok, not great, but ok. For what it is made for, pretty nice gun.

gm412
04-25-2012, 1:35 PM
Kahr PM9 for IWB and KAHR p380 for in the pocket

44fred
04-25-2012, 2:27 PM
S&W 340PD is just 12.5oz with a 357mag hit.

FIREBALL_BRIAN
04-25-2012, 2:32 PM
Lcp, bodyguard, shield. I would not use kahr. They demand to much attention if you shoot them a lot

dougtoni
04-25-2012, 2:33 PM
S&w airweight or ruger lcp. Super light and easy to hide.

stix213
04-25-2012, 2:34 PM
Are you talking about comfort in shooting or comfort in carry? My experience is generally the smaller and thinner you go, the more comfortable in carry, but the smaller you go the less comfortable to shoot.

InGrAM
04-25-2012, 2:47 PM
Any single stack light weight .380 pistol for carry. For shooting, that is a different story.

Try out the kahrs, sigs(238/938(9mm version)), kel-tecs, etc..

I would personally much rather have firepower/confidence than comfort out of a CC gun but that is me. I will not go under 9mm and I will not(probably not) carry a gun I can't get all 3 support fingers on the frame. 9mm +P HP's kick quite a bit out of a 2 support finger gun. So much so, that the pistols tend to roll out of my hand. Not good, IMO.

em9sredbeam
04-25-2012, 2:56 PM
I am talking comfort to carry, something easy to just put in your pocket when you are in a hurry or in a more limited situation such as jogging or in dress clothes where you cant fit a inner pants holster.

zdragon
04-25-2012, 2:56 PM
Ruger LC9 rocks..

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/8530/p1070454.jpg
By zdagon52 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/zdagon52) at 2012-04-12

BoJackUSMC
04-25-2012, 3:00 PM
I am thinking about buying Smith and Wesson Bodyguard 380 for a back up gun down the road.

Anyone here have Bodyguard 380?

Sorry if I am thread jacking, but I am also looking for good CCW and back up gun.

paul0660
04-25-2012, 3:00 PM
Snubby. Kahrs have problems that can appear after their "flawless no hiccup" period.

InGrAM
04-25-2012, 3:01 PM
Ruger LC9 rocks..

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/8530/p1070454.jpg
By zdagon52 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/zdagon52) at 2012-04-12

Definitely not a "pocket" pistol though. Well, at least for most people.

The LCP would be, on the other hand. As well as the S&W bodyguard .380, Beretta jetfire, kel-tec 3AT, etc...

Bug Splat
04-25-2012, 3:01 PM
The Kahr K9 and K40 feel amazing in the hand and will fit in a jacket pocket very well. I have tried but don't like the pistols that let your pinky hang off the end. What I like about the "full size" Kahr's is you get a grip big enough to fit your whole hand with big pistol ergo's without hanging a pinky. Here is a pick for comparison of a Kahr K40 in 40S&W next to a Bersa thunder in 380. As you can see the Kahr in .40 is smaller than a Bersa or PPK sized gun in 380.

http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss171/bugsplat/Kahr/2011-12-09_19-22-51_131.jpg
http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss171/bugsplat/Kahr/2011-12-09_19-23-06_167.jpg
http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss171/bugsplat/Kahr/2011-12-09_19-24-03_206.jpg
http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss171/bugsplat/Kahr/2011-12-09_19-26-36_641.jpg

MA5177
04-25-2012, 3:02 PM
Ruger LC9 rocks..

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/8530/p1070454.jpg
By zdagon52 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/zdagon52) at 2012-04-12


Yes they do! I carried mine for 5 days straight when I was in an last week, after 2 days I for got it was there. Great balance of firepower and small size.

Bullwhip55
04-25-2012, 9:00 PM
Find a Colt Mustang....I am Happy...!!!

S.A.
04-25-2012, 9:34 PM
Kahr MK9. Very comforting fpg(front pocket gun).

IBJanky
04-25-2012, 9:36 PM
Ruger LCP
S&W Bodyguard

myke

JNunez23
04-25-2012, 9:56 PM
I would look at some Kahrs and some Rugers.

I have a MK9 but it might be a bit heavy for everyday carry.

jessegpresley
04-25-2012, 10:09 PM
Cop buddy has kahr 380. That gun is so small it fits in your front jean pocket (unloaded of course).

What good is an unloaded gun?

The two best mini autos are the Seecamp 32 and the Kahr PM9.

And if you're looking for a California edition Seecamp go to www.migunslingers.com, he has them for $470 delivered.

JAGGUY
04-26-2012, 9:12 AM
I was really surprised how manageable the recoil is on my LCP. Doesn't hurt at all and can re acquire target pretty quickly. Much better than the Makarov chambered pistols I have.
I think this is because the LCP is a locked breach design and not a blow back.

john67elco
04-26-2012, 9:59 AM
Kahr p380 with Ct laser. When wearing you will say, "what gun"

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=147107&stc=1&d=1335459514

ChrisKalan
04-26-2012, 10:00 AM
My vote is for the LC9.
147108
That was from 10 yards.

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john67elco
04-26-2012, 11:02 AM
Thats the operator I have a pos davis that could do that. Check this glock 27 at 230 yards 3 out of 9 shots wow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmMEg4y54Dk

HondaMasterTech
04-26-2012, 11:07 AM
If you are going to go through the hassle of carrying, carry something worth carrying.

zdragon
04-26-2012, 1:26 PM
Yes they do! I carried mine for 5 days straight when I was in an last week, after 2 days I for got it was there. Great balance of firepower and small size.

agreed.....
definitely not a range pistol but a full box of 9mm reloads(6.5gr HS-6/124gr RN plated bullet) go down the pipe flawlessly once a week.
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5912/p1070498l.jpg
By zdagon52 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/zdagon52) at 2012-04-19
neutralized mag disconnect/Gallowway SS guide rod

ojisan
04-26-2012, 2:43 PM
^ Is that a silencer in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
:eek:

Quiet
04-27-2012, 1:55 AM
IMO...
Kel-Tec P-32 = best pocketgun

It's lighter and slightly smaller than the Kel-Tec P-3AT & Ruger LCP.
When loaded with 8 rounds of 73gr FMJ, it's feels lighter than a loaded Glock magazine.

I've owned my 1st gen Kel-Tec P-32 for about 8 years now, bought it used from a LEO ($300, included 2 holsters & 3 mags).
At the time of purchase, I compared it to the Beretta Model 3032 and found that the Kel-Tec was thinner, lighter, more durable and more reliable than the Beretta.
I have about 2000 rounds through it and the only malfunctions I've experienced with it was due to a faulty magazine (which Kel-Tec replaced for free). The LEO I bought it off of said he put about 1000 rounds through it and never had any problems with it. So, total round count is over 3000 rounds.

I pocket carry it in a DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster.

However, now that there are .380ACP pocketguns available, I still consider trading up to a Kel-Tec P-3AT or Ruger LCP. Since, the size difference is very very slight. But the cost of SSE and the CA premium for off-roster pistols, discourages me from doing so.


Kel-Tec P-32 in the middle. (pic of my out-of-state conceal carry selection)
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-0CS_GbYOL7o/SGrFach-_OI/AAAAAAAAA_o/UGUnKFryY30/s800/CIMG0159.JPG

arsilva32
04-27-2012, 3:03 AM
love the Bodyguard 380, great little pocket pistol.

hyperion.excal
04-27-2012, 3:36 AM
P238 :D

scoot64
04-27-2012, 3:43 AM
38 Snubnose

Ranger20
04-28-2012, 12:04 AM
S&W... M&P 340 or a 442/642

http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r614/windward22/340L.jpg

redrex
04-28-2012, 2:25 AM
Ok, I'm big, as in large man and I had an LC9 and I'd say that while it can be front pocket carried you will be aware that it's there. My wife has a Bersa in 380 so for fun I compared them and they bassicly have the same footprint. I have a kahr but it's in 45 so way to big for this discussion but I will say that the quality is top notch and that even in a 45 it is a very slim gun.

Comp pics of the Bersa and the Ruger
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-sW3OX0XBQmA/TjJclg58sVI/AAAAAAAAPrg/65sL4RDYmrk/s576/IMG_1408.JPG

More comp pics can be found HERE (http://picasaweb.google.com/105329303919540009668/KingFamilyArsenal#)

Sheperd80
04-28-2012, 9:06 AM
Loaded question. I have yet to find one that is actually comfortable. Comfort becomes relative. The smaller you go, the more uncomfortable they get. Those super tiny 380 pistols usually hurt to fire. But they are last resort weapons or special use weapons, to be used when something bigger is not possible. So a little discomfort is worth it. Just bear in mind the smaller the gun, the less they absorb the recoil and the more you will feel it and the more difficult they will be to control in general.

The ones you meantioned are always brought up as winners along with the PPK. I've never fired them personally. I owned a Bersa Thunder 380. Had a bit of lip on the rear to protect from hammer bite, and some major/unique safety features (over kill actually) such as an internal gun lock. For what it was it was a nifty little gun. If I were in the market for gun that would be carried in a bag, it would be one I would consider again.

For regular holster carry I like the Glock 26 9mm. It is a little thicker than I like, but its got the Glock functionality and defensive size round, which is a major plups for me.

The new S&W M&P SHIELD 9MM looks impressive. Getting lots of love from some very picky reviewers online. Not sure how I feel about the safety on it. Need some trigger time before I decide how I feel about it. Not sure I will ever get it.

Ruger makes a long list of pocket carry 380s and small 9mms, as does Khar. I don't have a lot of experience with them. When investigating them there where little things that came up that I didn't like (don't exactly remember what they were) so I decided to stick with a Glock as my primary and CCW.

All comes down to what you plan to use them for as to which one shines the most. Personal preferrance plays a big roll as well.

+2 ive got a few hundred rounds through a friends bersa thunder. Theyre are great and very affordable. It amazes me how cheap it is for what seems like such a high quality little gun. Maybe a little heavy for how small they are but that could be a good thing. Very controllable recoil compared to lc9 and others.

Also loving the looks of the shield. I love my m&p9 fs and the compact was fairly comfortable to shoot so a slimmer more pocketable version sounds very appealing. I dont carry yet but when i do thatll be one of the first i look into.

Maybe im crazy but i like the idea of a thimb safety on a locked and loaded carry gun, as long as it clicks off easily enough.

Exile Machine
05-05-2012, 6:17 PM
Finally picked up a Ruger LCP at my local gun shop the other day. Got to say it's tiny. Put it in my pocket and almost forgot it was there. Big change from schlepping my G21 w/15+1 rounds of .45ACP. I used to carry the G21 just fine when I tipped the scales at 250lbs. Since I'm down to 220 now and heading for 200, there's no place to conceal the G21 anymore. I'm wearing smaller clothes now as befitting my smaller size and add to that my "concealment belly" is gone, so I had to get a smaller carry gun.

I have a decent Canon EOS 5D with the battery grip, lenses, whole nine yards, takes awesome pictures. Problem is, it's too big to carry everywhere, so I almost never have it with me. But I have a cellphone camera that's with me all the time. Not nearly as good a camera as the EOS 5D but since it's there, it gets the shot. The LCP is like that cellphone camera. No reason not to carry it everywhere all the time.

Haven't gotten to the range with the LCP yet but I imagine it's not any more harsh recoiling than my old Kahr PM9.

Of course I had to try out some accessories for it and take the obligatory photos with common household objects for size reference:

http://www.exilemachine.net/images/IMG_2650.JPG
Pachmayr Tactical Grip Glove (https://www.exilemachine.net/shop/pkmyr-tac-grp-glove-lcp-tcp-p-3at-7323.html) thickens up the grip a little for guys with gorilla mitts like mine. Slapped on a LaserMax CenterFire Laser (https://www.exilemachine.net/shop/lasermax-centerfire-lsr-for-rug-lcp-45971.html) since the milled sights of the LCP are pretty much invisible. I may apply some white or glow paint to those. I can see the reason for low profile to avoid snagging and milling them in to keep cost down but why Ruger didn't at least drill some dots into them is beyond me. Even in bright light it's hard to find the sight picture.

http://www.exilemachine.net/images/IMG_2651.JPG
Still trying out various holsters but so far this Desantis Pro Stealth for CTC LaserGuard (https://www.exilemachine.net/shop/desantis-prostlth-lcp-w-ct-lg-blk-3940.html) is the best one I've found, and it seems to fit the LaserMax which is close but not exactly the same dimensions as the more expensive Crimson Trace product (https://www.exilemachine.net/shop/ctc-laserguard-ruger-lcp-9672.html). If I settle on this holster I'll be getting my wife's seam ripper out. The holster is designed to be ambidextrous, so they have that same leather patch on the other (non-clip) side, and since I'll never be using it lefty, it only adds more thickness where thickness is not needed. This holster also has an integral pouch for a spare 6-rd mag.

http://www.exilemachine.net/images/IMG_2643.JPG
It's just a bit bigger than my 1980's vintage pocket calculator. Still pocket size though. I upgraded the base plate on the stock Ruger 6 round mag with a Pearce Grip Extension (https://www.exilemachine.net/shop/pearce-grip-ext-ruger-lcp-2-pk-7355.html), and the feel in the hand is much improved. Grabbed some additional mags for range fun, 6, 10, and 15 round Promag magazines (https://www.exilemachine.net/shop/search/results.html?search_in_description=1&keyword=PROMAG+LCP&x=0&y=0). I think a 7 or 8 round magazine with an integral polymer grip extender would be an awesome upgrade for the gun but I haven't found anyone who makes one.

In the winter I think this would be a great back up gun for the G21. I guess I'll be shopping for an ankle holster later in the year.

-Mark

The War Wagon
05-05-2012, 6:34 PM
J-frame .357, loaded with .38 +P's.

With a pocket holster to break up the outline, it's PERFECT for cargo/academy shorts pockets and a t-shirt, be it a run to the beach, or the local Stop 'N' Rob for a gallon of milk. :cool:

jlbflyboy172
05-05-2012, 6:50 PM
Another vote for the Sig P232. Great little carry piece and accurate as hell. Big in hand but carries small.

Love the HP 41C calculator in previous posting Used one of the extensively back in engineering school with the math modules. That one is a relic!