View Full Version : Is Stockpiling illegal?

04-27-2007, 10:42 PM
I found a disturbing article about members of “The Free Militia” whom were arrested for illegal weapons possession and stockpiling. I agree they should not have had any illegal weapons and are idiots for doing so, but the article states that they will also be charged with STOCKPILING. Since when is stockpiling illegal? Pardon my ignorance but I have never heard of a law stating that one cannot Stockpile. If there is such a law what is the definition of stockpiling?

Here is the link: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,268726,00.html
Here is the article:

Feds Raid Alabama Militia Group, Uncover Small Weapons Arsenal
Federal and state agents have uncovered a small arsenal of homemade weapons that included a rocket launcher, 130 hand grenades, and 70 improvised explosive devices (IEDs) similar to the kind used by insurgents against American GIs in Iraq.
Agents also recovered enough live ammo to fill a U-Haul trailer, U.S. Attorney Alice Martin said Thursday. Agents earlier that day busted the caches of a group calling itself "The Free Militia."
Eric Kehn, a spokesman with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosive, said four search warrants were executed in the operation, and six arrests were made.
Those arrested include: Raymond Kirk Dillard, a.k.a. Jeff Osborne, 46 of Collinsville, Ala.; Adam Lynn Cunningham, 41, also of Collinsville; Bonnell Hughes, a.k.a. Buster Hughes, 57, of Crossville, Ala.; Michael Wayne Bobo, 30, of Trussville, Ala.; Randall Garrett Cole, 22, of Gadsden, Ala.; and James Ray McElroy, 20, of Collinsville.
All six of the suspects belonged to "The Free Militia," officials said without releasing any information about the group.
"Deadly explosives have been removed from these communities due to outstanding investigative efforts," Martin said. "All evidence developed will be presented quickly to a federal grand jury. We will also ask that those arrested be detained without bond."
At least five bomb teams were on the scene in case explosives were found during the searches.
Officials said ATF agents encountered booby traps at one of the search sites.
The weapons cache also included a machine gun, a short barreled shot-gun, two silencers, numerous other firearms, 2500 rounds of ammunition, explosive components, and commercial fireworks. Agents also found more than 120 marijuana plants, Martin said.
One of the raids took place at a trailer and another at a house not far from Collinsville School.
"Certinly, they're [militias] always fomenting talk ... they were trying to acquire, stockpile weapons for what they see as maybe some inevitable conflict. This is pretty common in militia groups — they sort of gravitate toward all these exotic military weapons," ATF Special Agent in Charge Jim Cavanaugh in Nashville, Tenn., told FOX News on Friday.
But he said it's not common to find the types of improvised rifle grenades found in Thursday's raid. It's a "very unusual seizure," he said.
Those in custody aren't being charged with any plot to use the grenades against anyone, however, but will be charged with weapons possession and stockpiling.
"These are people who operate in sort of a fringe paranoia world, they feel they need all these weapons to exist, they're somewhat fearful," Cavanaugh said.
School district officials cancelled classes for about 650 students from grades kindergarten through 12 because of the swarm of police vehicles.
"We were going to delay school but because of the possibility of explosives at the residences, we felt it was safer not to have school," DeKalb Sheriff Jimmy Harris said.
Sources told FOX News that the six suspects were involved in manufacturing homemade weapons and explosives, and that one of the suspects had tried to sell hand grenades to undercover federal agents. The group has also allegedly been involved in the sales and distribution of other types of explosive devices and weapons, but the nature of these has not yet been revealed.
"Today's arrest and search warrants have been significant due to the success of the combined efforts by ATF, as well as our state, local and federal partners," Cavanaugh said Thursday. "The communities in the area are safer, considering the fact that large quantities of live grenades and other explosive materials have been safely removed. Excellent investigative team work led us to this point in our investigation."
FOX News' Ian McCaleb and The Associated Press contributed to this report

"The strongest reason for the People to retain the Right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
Thomas Jefferson

04-27-2007, 11:13 PM
Seems like here in California you might get a little attention if you purchased say, 30 firearms in a six month period or so. I don't know how they could trace ammo purchases from varied sources like internet sites etc. but I've mentally decided to never GET TOO COMFORTABLE owning guns in this State because, right or wrong, most of my neighbors would think I was NUTS if they found out I own 7 handguns, a rifle and a shotgun. I wish I had relatives in Arkansas or Plano, Texas. Must be nice to feel safe from law enforcement being well-armed in your own home or in your car, or just about anywhere you go.

04-27-2007, 11:19 PM
I don't think stockpiling is illigal in and of itself, it seems to me that these guys had other NFA and DEA Items that got them in trouble.

Buying alot of guns in a short amount of time isn't bad.

I'm sure guys with C&R licences can attest to how fast a collection can grow when you get that dandy little federal slip.

04-28-2007, 12:52 AM
Why would you feel "safe" from law enforcement? That implies you will do things against the law. I think it would be better to say you are feeling safe from the bad guys.

These two groups "bad guys" and "law enforcement" are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Case in point the numerous innocent people killed during no-knock drug raids.

04-28-2007, 9:03 AM
I am not aware of any law - either Federally or California - that limits stock piling.

There are some restrictions on how much smokeless or black powder you can have (not in ammunition.) Those regulations were put in place to limit the damage people did blowing up their own homes.


04-28-2007, 10:02 AM
The article talks alot about the exotic military weapons and the evil stockpiling militia, but kind of glosses over the 120 marijuana plants. Were the search warrants for the plants or the weapons? Maybe both - we'll probably never find out.