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Thatguy80
04-23-2012, 1:58 PM
Hello Fellow CGer's!!

Im looking to go featureless with my AR so I can use preban mags and wanted see what you guys are using. Im specifically looking to start doing 3-gun.

What are you fella's using??

Anyone want to sell a A2 stock or MMG?

Thanks guys!!

SuperSet
04-23-2012, 2:01 PM
Hey man, im using the Solar Tactical kydex over a MagPul MOE with some skateboard tape for added traction. For a fixed stock, i prefer the VLTOR A1/A2 fixed stocks.
Welcome to 3-gun!

echotebarknwhale
04-23-2012, 3:10 PM
I believe you have to have owned the pre-ban magazines before they were banned for them to be legal, you can't just purchase them from somebody (new or used). If you look young you might catch some flak from people about it

joelogic
04-23-2012, 3:18 PM
Solar Tactical on an A2 grip plus a Vltor A1.

Prc329
04-23-2012, 3:19 PM
Hello Fellow CGer's!!

Im looking to go featureless with my AR so I can use preban mags and wanted see what you guys are using. Im specifically looking to start doing 3-gun.

What are you fella's using??

Anyone want to sell a A2 stock or MMG?

Thanks guys!!

I'm about to do the same thing for the same reason. IM making my own Kydex grip, just gotta wait for the stuff to arrive. I need to pin my CTR and I already have a muzzle brake. I just need one more for my other rifle.

Exile Machine
04-23-2012, 4:33 PM
If you're looking to see what others are doing, there's a whole thread of featureless rifle photos here:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=253777

Should keep you busy for awhile. This is my current home defense setup:

https://www.exilemachine.net/shop/images/T/TYPE_I.JPG

-Mark

HK Dave
04-23-2012, 4:47 PM
I'm using exiles hammerhead grip with a pinned VLTOR IMOD stock. Works great. :) Oh ambi safety is a must since you loose the ability to use your thumb to rock the safety on the left... hammerhead or solar tactical.

artoaster
04-24-2012, 2:28 PM
After looking at photos of featureless AR's here at Calguns, my personal favorite simple configurations are either a regular A2 buttstock and a MonsterMan grip or an ACE skeleton stock with a Solar Tactical Wrap.

munkeeboi
04-24-2012, 2:43 PM
I use fingrips for almost everything

AeroEngi
04-24-2012, 3:51 PM
If you're looking to see what others are doing, there's a whole thread of featureless rifle photos here:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=253777

Should keep you busy for awhile. This is my current home defense setup:

https://www.exilemachine.net/shop/images/T/TYPE_I.JPG

-Mark

Loving that lower receiver!

artoaster
04-24-2012, 4:30 PM
How much does the Hammerhead and the VLTOR IMOD set up change how the rifle mounts in the shoulder?

FeuerFrei
04-24-2012, 4:34 PM
I believe you have to have owned the pre-ban magazines before they were banned for them to be legal, you can't just purchase them from somebody (new or used). If you look young you might catch some flak from people about it

keeping in mind that posession is not illegal but nuisance charge is possible.
dont ask dont tell. no need to prove it either.
you can drop any capacity mags you own with featureless rifle. 10rd 20rd 30rd ??? yes.
featureless is definitely more practical for 3 gun.

Exile Machine
04-24-2012, 5:43 PM
How much does the Hammerhead and the VLTOR IMOD set up change how the rifle mounts in the shoulder?

It's not that big of a change, but we have a lot customers (including customers outside of CA) who prefer it over the standard AR-15 shouldering.

http://exilemachine.net/images/IMG_7465.JPG

Head is more upright, less scrunching down at the neck. Good solid buttstock-to-shoulder-meat interface. Not like the way many people shoulder an AR-15 these days, with just the bottom tip of the buttstock on the top of the shoulder:

http://www.exilemachine.net/images/BMBW.JPG

-Mark

Ksmash01
04-24-2012, 9:26 PM
More Featureless Goodness for you to keep the gears moving

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/ksmash01/IMAG0171.jpg

Midtown Gunner
04-25-2012, 6:40 PM
keeping in mind that posession is not illegal but nuisance charge is possible.
dont ask dont tell. no need to prove it either.
you can drop any capacity mags you own with featureless rifle. 10rd 20rd 30rd ??? yes.

I'm interested in the featureless because I prefer that kind of layout when shooting, and because I don't have to deal with the Button. But is the use of pre-ban high-caps legal as per FF's post?

I feel like I should have gone to law school, just to untangle these laws...

Midtown Gunner
04-25-2012, 6:40 PM
keeping in mind that posession is not illegal but nuisance charge is possible.
dont ask dont tell. no need to prove it either.
you can drop any capacity mags you own with featureless rifle. 10rd 20rd 30rd ??? yes.

I'm interested in the featureless because I prefer that kind of layout when shooting, and because I don't have to deal with the Button. But is the use of pre-ban high-caps legal as per FF's post?

I feel like I should have gone to law school, just to untangle these laws...

Prc329
04-25-2012, 6:44 PM
I'm interested in the featureless because I prefer that kind of layout when shooting, and because I don't have to deal with the Button. But is the use of pre-ban high-caps legal as per FF's post?

I feel like I should have gone to law school, just to untangle these laws...

Yes but you are supposed to have owned them prior to the ban on standard capacity mags. If you have them you can use them. You cannot buy them, make them, etc but its not against the law to posses or use them. Just not in a fixed mag.

That being said I would still say even 10 round mags changes will benefit from going featureless.

fabguy
04-25-2012, 6:48 PM
Not to thread jack but have a few questions about my featureless build, 1) A friend told me that the bayonet lugg has to come off for it to be featureless: fact? or Fud? I can't see it on the flow chart so I assume it is FUD.
2) is my Mini-14 by design also a featureless? can I use the 20 rd mags I have had since I was 19yrs old? (24 yrs ago)
3) Other question is, I pinned my collapsible stock by drilling and pop riveting it solid with 3/16" pop rivets, is that ok?

I used: Exile Mach grip, 4 position stock (pinned), Mucileck muzzle brake,

Again NOT trying to thread Jack, just didnt want to start a duplicate thread

Chaos47
04-25-2012, 6:49 PM
Vltor A1 rifle modstock, cant beat the sale price!
Magpul MOE with Solar Tactical Gripwrap
Havent decided on a brake yet.


If you want an idea of whats out there that's legal check this:
https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=14Sc8MNP9AO6JgHxcnqm5oR45LDLIhpqeBHsCN8-K4XU&pli=1

Chaos47
04-25-2012, 6:51 PM
Not to thread jack but have a few questions about my featureless build, 1) A friend told me that the bayonet lugg has to come off for it to be featureless: fact? or Fud? I can't see it on the flow chart so I assume it is FUD.
2) is my Mini-14 by design also a featureless? can I use the 20 rd mags I have had since I was 19yrs old? (24 yrs ago)
3) Other question is, I pinned my collapsible stock by drilling and pop riveting it solid with 3/16" pop rivets, is that ok?
Again NOT trying to thread Jack, just didnt want to start a duplicate thread

1 friend is wrong lug was on federal ban not California's
2 Mini is featureless unless it has a flash supressor on it / pistol grip / forward grip / telescoping or thumbhole stock
2.5 yes if properly configured you can use preban mags
3 yes

fabguy
04-25-2012, 6:57 PM
1 friend is wrong lug was on federal ban not California's
2 Mini is featureless unless it has a flash supressor on it
2.5 yes if properly configured you can use preban mags
3 yes


SWEET, muhahaha....the build is done. Thank You VERY much for the info

mdimeo
04-25-2012, 11:38 PM
Oh ambi safety is a must since you loose the ability to use your thumb to rock the safety on the left...

Yes, that.

Get an ambi or left-handed safety. Money extremely well spent.

mdimeo
04-25-2012, 11:41 PM
Also consider a thread protector instead of a brake. AR's have so little recoil that the only thing I noticed when I switched to a brake from a thread protector is it got much louder. Way cheaper, and easier on the ears. I'll probably switch back one of these days.

SuperSet
04-26-2012, 5:23 AM
For 3-gun, you will want a muzzle brake as recoil control and fast follow up shots are important.

artoaster
04-26-2012, 5:37 AM
I've heard Smith muzzle brake is one of the best.

Midtown Gunner
04-28-2012, 8:45 PM
Is it possible to make a Hi-Point carbine featureless? Can the pistol grip be removed without surgery?

If not, what 9mm carbine is recommended for featurelessness?

artoaster
05-16-2012, 11:23 AM
If I go featureless I'm going with:

YHM 5M1 brake
Magpul CTR with dowel installed inside stock and behind buffer tube rendering it fixed in fully extended position

Solar Tactical Grip Wrap or my own Kydex wrap job
Ambi safety, Stag, CMMG, or Lincoln Tactical.

MikeR
05-16-2012, 3:02 PM
Only one choice for me. Being able to wrap your thumb over the top makes all the difference in the world. Love the HH. It doesn't hurt that Mark (Exile Machine) is a great guy/company.

Stocks pinned. I don't use the large allen set screw on the bottom anymore. HHs used to be aluminum and heavy! TG for composites.
http://i451.photobucket.com/albums/qq234/MRibz/PinnedStock.jpg
Sorry for the crappy pic
http://i451.photobucket.com/albums/qq234/MRibz/Untitled.jpg
Not current pics but you get the idea.
http://i451.photobucket.com/albums/qq234/MRibz/Firearms/AR4-1.jpg
Wifes rifle has the polymer HH now.
http://i451.photobucket.com/albums/qq234/MRibz/Firearms/MsHH-1.jpg

mcisniper
05-16-2012, 6:08 PM
Here is my featureless. YHM Comp, A2 stock and Monster Man Grip. I get a lot of negative comments at the range but once people shoot it they realize it just looks goofy. The Harris bi-pods are off my M1A, much better suited to the low recoil AR.

Michael

morfeeis
05-16-2012, 6:15 PM
Vltor A1 rifle modstock, cant beat the sale price!
Magpul MOE with Solar Tactical Gripwrap
Havent decided on a brake yet.


If you want an idea of whats out there that's legal check this:
https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=14Sc8MNP9AO6JgHxcnqm5oR45LDLIhpqeBHsCN8-K4XU&pli=1
He might want to update his list, he list my Phantom comp as a flash hider and YHM says on their site and in the photo of it "THIS IS NOT A FLASH HIDER!". It also does nothing to impede flash but wow does it sound great.

Here is my baby, i love the Hammer head grip
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm160/morfeeis/DSC04905.jpg

artoaster
05-16-2012, 6:55 PM
Hey Mike R., how is that Magpul stock pinned exactly?

MikeR
05-16-2012, 8:43 PM
Hey Mike R., how is that Magpul stock pinned exactly?

When you push the lever on a MOE stock it pushes a roll pin down, that roll pin is connected to a cylinder that locks into the buffer tube. So what i did was drill a hole under that cylinder and put a set screw through the hole that prevents the cylinder from moving down. Make sense?

Its damn solid, I would bet that the adjustment lever would break before the set screw or where the hole is drilled in the stock.

ETA pic. Had to try the new photochopthingie on photobucket anyways. 5 min job with a drill and the correct bit.

http://i451.photobucket.com/albums/qq234/MRibz/Untitled-1.jpg