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luchador768
04-21-2012, 10:16 PM
I've wanted one since I was a kid and Paralax had a good price on a California compliant model. I can't wait to take it out and see how it shoots!

NorCalK9.com
04-21-2012, 10:57 PM
Pics?

Capybara
04-21-2012, 11:00 PM
Welcome to the tiny club of California Uzi owners. Just be ready, a lot of people are going to tell you that a semi-auto version of an SMG is a waste of money and tactically ineffective. Who cares, I didn't buy the Uzi as my HD weapon or for long distance varmint, it is for plinking, letting your kids and wife shoot or your non-shooter friends, it is the most fun gun to shoot for beginners.

I am in the same boat as you are, I have wanted one since I was a kid and I still think that Uzis are about the coolest gun out there. The history, engineering and design are quite interesting.

Here are some things to consider:

1. The folding stock versions with the pinned stock can be uncomfortable. It makes a lot of sense in free states where you can actually fold it up but in California, the wooden stock makes a lot more sense to me. Not sure what your Uzi has, but I actually dig the wood stock, it looks and works nicely. If your Uzi came with the fixed folding stock, try it out but if you want to switch out to the wooden stock, there are plenty of them out there for about $40.00

2. Get the cheap, cotton Israeli sling. They work great, are comfortable and cost all of about $5.00

3. If you are going to shoot it a lot, buy a few spare extractors.

4. Your 16" barrel is going to look incredibly dorky, immediately go to http://www.titleiiarms.com/UZI_Carbine_Fake_Suppressors.php and order a fake can from Guy, he is an amazing vendor. Best looking fake can on the market. Normally, I would shun something as useless as a fake can but in the Uzi with the 16" barrel, it totally helps it look and balance better.

5. If you haven't yet, go over and sign up at www.uzitalk.com Do your homework, read a lot and get to know your new gun. The guys over there are crazy knowledgeable about the Uzi, it's all there. Read about the topcover fit, adding optics, the care and feeding of your Uzi, etc.

6. DON'T feed your Uzi reloads or Remington UMC or other weak ammo. Winchester White Box or Winchester NATO 124 GR is the preferred food for Uzis. I would not recommend cheap steel or aluminum case ammo either. Uzis like hot ammo, +P or +P+ although WWB seems to be really reliable and it is cheap and available at Walmart.

Need pictures of your Uzi when take it to the range.

Enjoy!

The1stWright
04-21-2012, 11:27 PM
Congrats, we need pictures of your UZI

Jeepers
04-21-2012, 11:28 PM
congrads on the Uzi
we need pics :D

1. The folding stock versions with the pinned stock can be uncomfortable. It makes a lot of sense in free states where you can actually fold it up but in California, the wooden stock makes a lot more sense to me. Not sure what your Uzi has, but I actually dig the wood stock, it looks and works nicely. If your Uzi came with the fixed folding stock, try it out but if you want to switch out to the wooden stock, there are plenty of them out there for about $40.00 just to note that you can not use the standard QD SMG wood stock as is , it must be modded ...



ETA....
sorry to go O/T OP i have deleted all other post on this thread

just be aware the QD stock not properly installed on a S/A UZI could land you in NFA waters ....

Johnnyfres
04-21-2012, 11:50 PM
Go back to the shop right away and get pics :D

j/k Congrats on the purchase.

Capybara
04-22-2012, 7:26 AM
This company in Vegas sells the kit to turn the QD SMG buttstock into a permanent mount. http://www.uzigunparts.com/stockdiagram.html

just to note that you can not use the standard QD SMG wood stock as is , it must be modded ...

luchador768
04-22-2012, 9:16 AM
Thanks for all the info! I found the Uzi parts site, the wood stock seems like a good option when perm mounted. I like the amount of spare parts out there. I'll post pics when I pick it up. It's going to be a fun range toy!

chead
04-22-2012, 9:58 AM
congrads on the Uzi
we need pics :D

just to note that you can not use the standard QD SMG wood stock as is , it must be modded ...

Uzis are a ton of fun, I love mine. I agree on just about everything said with the addition of: Do it featureless. Yeah, it's kind of a pain, but the ability to use the mag release is worth it to me. Most of the bullet button setups I've seen in finicky at best.

I also maintain that a pistol carbine is an invaluable tool for self-defense and it's hard to do better than an Uzi. I love my new 9mm AR, but if I wanted something indestructible I'd reach for the Uzi without a second thought.

You can also get a ton of cheap parts and mags though RTG (linked above), Copes and a few other places. You can find complete lowers for under $100. I have a sandwich bag of random lower parts because hey, why not? Green Mountain also makes reasonably priced barrels, but I doubt you'll ever need to replace the one it comes with.

When you get it the pin in the lower will probably be very tight. You can drift it out with a pen, but if you holt the rifle against your shoulder and pull back on the grip while pushing up, you can usually get the pin out with your other hand.

chead
04-22-2012, 10:02 AM
And some CA Uzi porn ;)

http://i.imgur.com/agTi8l.png

chead
04-22-2012, 10:08 AM
is this a documented legal way to perm attach the stock with ATF ? this deals with the NFA not cali law

all i have ever seen as fer as OK'ed with ATF is to mill the locating stud off the stock mount drill a hole and use a folder mounting "nut" (inside the receiver ) for a perm. stock mod

You can pull the stock off an AR in about 2 seconds with no tools, if anything this is more "permanent" than most rifles. And the semi Uzis can't fire with no stock, anyway, so it's kind of moot.

chead
04-22-2012, 10:39 AM
a ar stock is not the point , the orig uzi stock was designed as a "quick detachable"

It's no longer "quick-detachable". You'd have to use get a power drill to remove it at all.

and what do you mean the S/A uzi can not be fired without a stock ?
only differences in the receiver on a F/A and a S/A uzi is a bolt blockerbar and restricted ring on the barrel , nothing else

And the semi Uzi won't fire without a stock because the spring that drives the firing pin will slip through the hole in the back of the receiver that the stock locks into. On Semi pistols, this hole is patched over so it both can't accept a stock and allows the firing pin spring to rest against the rear of the receiver instead of the stock.

The select fire Uzi obviously don't have a firing pin, and so it's not an issue. It will fire with or without a stock.

Here's the spring I'm talking about:

http://i.imgur.com/gU0EJl.jpg

Can't tell if being trolled..

chead
04-22-2012, 10:55 AM
~ Took this to PM ~

ham
04-22-2012, 12:19 PM
nice! just remember one thing with it:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/andrewham/sbrofl-1.jpg

:D :D

Musashi
04-22-2012, 12:32 PM
id go for a barrel shroud rather than a fake supressor

Musashi
04-22-2012, 12:36 PM
http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/CircRN/100_1536.jpg

luchador768
04-22-2012, 12:39 PM
^^^very nice!!!^^^

NYsteveZ
04-22-2012, 12:54 PM
Nice, and congrats! I have the mini Uzi/pistol (same thing). Is it a Vector arms? Also, does yours have the Yiddish writing on the side? You will get a few people who will ask "Whats the point", but half the time I bet they would buy one if they had the cash (They are pricey). We are a small club, and Im gonna guess you (like me) grew up in the 80s. They are extremely fun, and a class of their own.

Jeepers
04-22-2012, 1:07 PM
http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/CircRN/100_1536.jpg

like your taste :D ... sterlings are nice also :thumbsup: just need a sten, Suomi,and Swedish k in the mix to make my perfect subgun collection

luchador768
04-22-2012, 1:26 PM
Yep, product of the 70's and 80's!

ElvenSoul
04-22-2012, 1:47 PM
Love that barrel shroud!

ElvenSoul
04-22-2012, 1:50 PM
Who fixes mags to 10rds for these?

ElvenSoul
04-22-2012, 1:51 PM
Is anyone selling UZI's as a pistol with original length barrel?

Jeepers
04-22-2012, 1:57 PM
Is anyone selling UZI's as a pistol with original length barrel?
yes oc has them listed not sure if they have any in stock http://www.ocarmory.com/ look under firearms

http://www.ocarmory.com/IMG_4464.JPG
Vector Arms Full Size Uzi Pistol

Uzi-style firearm

9mm

Transferred as a single shot pistol (will assist with semi-automatic conversion after delivery)

Group Industries receiver


Who fixes mags to 10rds for these?
mag blocks http://www.magazineblocks.com/magento/products/magblock-kits/uzi.html

http://www.magazineblocks.com/magento/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/u/z/uzi_1032_large.jpg

Capybara
04-22-2012, 4:34 PM
I did a little research and unfortunately the Uzi that the OP probably bought has a welded mag. So he will have to remove the roll pin and drop the trigger to load it. I have never understood this, there is the bullet button grip available for the Vectors so why do a welded magazine?

The good news Luchador is that you can easily replace your entire PG (they are about $75.00?) for a non-welded one and then either buy the BB grip http://www.ocarmory.com/calcdv2.htm or you can go featureless http://www.solartactical.com/UZI-KYDEX-SLIP-ON-GRIP-987.htmas as Chead and I have and use the original magazine release as God and IMI intended. Here http://www.solartactical.com/UZI-KYDEX-SLIP-ON-GRIP-987.htm is the Kydex wrap that Solar sells if you want to go featureless. Since we are all plinking with our Uzis, I think featureless is the way to go, it's not like we are hitting steel targets at 300 yards or target shooting with them.

Chead, I do question the pistol grip safety since we are disabling it to use the Kydex wraps. If the gun had a round chambered and was cocked and you accidentally dropped it, it probably would go off, wouldn't it? Of course, you still have the regular manual safety and I use the sling so I will never drop it loaded and cocked but I could see it happening accidentally though.

We need to have a SoCal neutured Uzi shoot someday, we can all show up shoot and wish that we lived in a free state so we could all have FA Uzis with 10" barrels ;-)

Capybara
04-22-2012, 4:43 PM
Peter at http://www.mparms.com/Vector-Arms-UZIs-_c_25.html also stocks or can get the full sized Uzi as a pistol and the Mini Uzi as a pistol. I bought my carbine from him, good guy. You get the short barrel but try shooting a 9lb block of steel as a pistol and you will find that the carbine with the shoulder stock is much better for actually hitting something you are aiming at.

I recently looked into buying a semi-auto Micro Uzi pistol and they are an AW in California unless you had one and registered it pre-AW ban. Only IMI made them, Vector, Centurion, Norinco, nobody else ever made a Micro clone and the IMI is on the list. Sadly, I think that the Micro would make an incredibly cool real pistol.

[QUOTE=Jeepers;8451821]yes oc has them listed not sure if they have any in stock http://www.ocarmory.com/ look under firearms

http://www.ocarmory.com/IMG_4464.JPG

luchador768
04-22-2012, 6:36 PM
No welded mag here. Ir has a grip bullet button.

Mikedril
04-22-2012, 7:42 PM
While on the subject of Uzis, has anyone run across a bullet button for the Vector .45 Uzi that takes grease gun mags?

MrExel17
04-22-2012, 8:15 PM
Congrats!

Capybara
04-22-2012, 8:55 PM
That's very good, I just looked at the Vector Uzi on the Parallax website http://www.parallaxtactical.com/store/vector-hr-4332-s-1563.html and it has the welded mag, that's what i thought they had sold you.

So when you get your Uzi, try it out with the BB/Grip and see what you think. To me, it is incredibly awkward to change mags, the way the BB/Grip works is that is just covers the regular Uzi mag release up with a little hole. But unlike an AR BB that releases easily with the bullet tip or a BB tool, the BB on the Vector Uzi ends up being really stiff, I had to take the Uzi off and lay it on its side and use a punch to release the magazine. Very unergonomic. I suppose if I used it a long time it would eventually loosen up and be easier but I just decided that the grip wrap and using the real mag release was a better way to go. YMMV.

It doesn't really affect operation too much to use the wrap, I can shoot it fine without wrapping my thumb around the PG.

The waiting is the hardest part...

No welded mag here. Ir has a grip bullet button.

ElvenSoul
04-23-2012, 10:03 PM
Ummm just something I have been thinking. Instead of a wrap, why not just mount a fin on the wood stock?