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XD40SUBBIE
04-19-2012, 9:03 PM
Hi all,

Since you guys are the expert, is this worth the expense? I fired a .223 M&P and loved it, but the $1000+ price tag is a little too steep for me. But my FFL bud, can get me an awesome deal (about 1/3 the price of the .223) for the 22LR.

With my limited knowledge, I am inclined to believe that this version would a similar to a air rifle (pellet or BB) and would be very disimilar to the .223. If I am completely off, please correct my noobiness. :)

Would it make more sense to just save the money and get the .223 later? Of course that is before Kamilla Harris and Feinstein completely takes my 2nd Amendment away? ;)

Solidux
04-19-2012, 9:18 PM
An S&W M&P15 Sport should go for around $500 (paid $549 before DROS/tax on mine) and the M&P 22LR is around $300-400.

Turners usually has a sale on one of these once a month.

The M&P15 is actually 5.56 (so it could shoot both 5.56 and .223 rounds). The 22LR is a very fatal round that shouldn't be compared to BB/Pellet (non-lethal)

Heres some places where you can compare prices of it to:

M&P15

http://grabagun.com/s-w-m-p15-spt-556nato-16-10rd-fxd.html - $584.23
http://www.budspolicesupply.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/4_10/products_id/7680 - $535.00

M&P-22

http://www.budspolicesupply.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/4_10/products_id/2321 - $368.00 for 22LR

XD40SUBBIE
04-19-2012, 9:23 PM
A S&W M&P15 should go for around $500 (paid $549 before DROS/tax on mine) and the M&P 22LR is around $300.

Turners usually has a sale on one of these once a month.

$500, really? Oh wow...I have not seen one for less than a grand, you guys need to lead me to these deals. Who or what is a Turner? ;)

Thanks, bud. So I would not go wrong with the .22LR?

Solidux
04-19-2012, 9:35 PM
Turner's Outdoorsman is a great store to go to for your hunting needs. They have stores all over the place.

http://www.turners.com/engage/displayads.php

Right now they have a really good sale on a Del-ton AR15 for $659.99

Every week they have a great firearms sale. Every wensday they have a special sale. Subscribe to their emails.

Solidux
04-19-2012, 9:38 PM
Thanks, bud. So I would not go wrong with the .22LR?

It really depends on your budget/needs.

The 5.56/.223 rounds cost EXPONENTIALLY more than .22LR rounds.

You can get about 1000 rounds of 5.56/.223 for $300. You can get 10000+ rounds of .22LR for $300.

Personal Needs > Shot placement > Caliber

XD40SUBBIE
04-19-2012, 9:39 PM
Turner's Outdoorsman is a great store to go to for your hunting needs. They have stores all over the place.

http://www.turners.com/engage/displayads.php

Right now they have a really good sale on a Del-ton AR15 for $659.99

Darn, they are SoCal.

NytWolf
04-19-2012, 9:39 PM
The 22LR is a very fatal round that shouldn't be compared to BB/Pellet (non-lethal)

Tell that to that kid who got shot in the belly with a bb-gun earlier this year.

megamachine
04-19-2012, 9:40 PM
You can find less expensive high quality AR rifles than the M&P. Check the "market place" for a good used rifle. Save your money for the 5.56.
Shooting the .22 is going to be like kissing your sister....Maybe some people like that.

megamachine
04-19-2012, 9:40 PM
You can find less expensive high quality AR rifles than the M&P. Check the "market place" for a good used rifle. Save your money for the 5.56.
Shooting the .22 is going to be like kissing your sister....Maybe some people like that.

XD40SUBBIE
04-19-2012, 9:44 PM
You can find less expensive high quality AR rifles than the M&P. Check the "market place" for a good used rifle. Save your money for the 5.56.
Shooting the .22 is going to be like kissing your sister....Maybe some people like that.

I don't get the sister analogy, but I'll ask the lady from AK at work. ;) I think I'm in agreement, wait and save up for the one I really want.

Solidux
04-19-2012, 10:07 PM
I don't get the sister analogy, but I'll ask the lady from AK at work. ;) I think I'm in agreement, wait and save up for the one I really want.

Building your own AR might be even more satisfying.

Cheaper AND you know exactly what part is in your rifle.

Here's an example of a standard sporter build:

Stripped lower - 90
Lower Parts Kit w/ buttstock assembly - 105
Complete Upper - 400

(these arent garbage parts i listed, they are actualy GREAT mid range parts, heres an example):

Lower = JD Machine / Aero Precision / Palmetto State Armory
Lower Parts kit = Del-ton / Palmetto State Armory
Complete Upper = Del-ton / Palmetto State Armory / Riflegear

megamachine
04-19-2012, 10:13 PM
Solidux is right. Building your own is the best way to go.
If you're really low on funds you can buy the parts as you can afford them.

XD40SUBBIE
04-19-2012, 10:18 PM
Hmmm...how hard is it to build one?

Solidux
04-19-2012, 10:23 PM
easier than building a computer or working on a car.

www.ar15.com has a great section for builders

B!ngo
04-19-2012, 10:25 PM
Based on the type of questions from the OP:
The price of a.22LR AR should be about 1/2 to 1/3 that of an AR chambered in .223/5.56.
The price of ammo is as stated above. .22LR is far far less than .223.
The .22LR is an enjoyable round to shoot. Great for learning, plinking and practicing as well. And the operation (manual of arms) of a .22LR AR is about the same as a .223.
But based on your post, the power, impact, energy, noise and recoil of a .22LR is a lot different (far far less) than a .223.
I don't recommend learning to shoot with a .223 AR, nor do I think assembling your first gun is the way to go. OTOH, just remember that if you buy the .22 AR, it is an expensive form of .22LR gun, and should you want to upgrade, unlike most rifles, you may not recoup most of your purchase price.
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SURVIVOR619
04-20-2012, 7:00 PM
The M&P15-22 is a really fun plinker for sure. One of my fav's. You should like it. If you do the research, you can also educate yourself to build an AR for less than $1K... But you have to want to spend the time to know what to do and find the right products. You are in the right place for that, though, being here on the CGN. That's how I've learned...

sd_shooter
04-20-2012, 7:55 PM
The M&P15-22 is a really fun plinker for sure. One of my fav's. You should like it. If you do the research, you can also educate yourself to build an AR for less than $1K... But you have to want to spend the time to know what to do and find the right products. You are in the right place for that, though, being here on the CGN. That's how I've learned...

Agreed. My 15-22 gets used on every range trip.

jbush
04-20-2012, 9:38 PM
I've seen MP sports in 5.56 on sale lately for 689.00 plus fees, or build your own. Built my first with 14.7 pinned FH for under 800 including fees and shipping. I'm doing 2 more for my kids in 16" barrel with some nice quality parts for about 850. Buy a stripped lower locally, buy a lower build kit, and a complete upper or get a rifle kit, add sights and mags and in an hour and a half or so you can assemble it even if you've never done it before. There are tons of good videos and instructions on building a lower with minimum tools online.

When pricing out your build don't forget fees and shipping. A $100 lower is about $135 after fees and theres shipping usually on other parts, but you can still keep a nice mid quality AR around $800 if you shop around.

MrPlink
04-20-2012, 10:11 PM
Anybody who discounts the 22lr is either a rookie to this sport or a blowhard fool.

That being said, these have different purposes. If you want a dedicated trainer which can also double as a starter rifle the 15-22 is an outstanding rifle.

There are rarely range trips I make without mine, and I have plenty of "big boy" rifles, so dont let the macho "its only a 22lr" bs make a mark in your decision.

Speedpower
04-20-2012, 10:24 PM
Anybody who discounts the 22lr is either a rookie to this sport or a blowhard fool.

That being said, these have different purposes. If you want a dedicated trainer which can also double as a starter rifle the 15-22 is an outstanding rifle.

There are rarely range trips I make without mine, and I have plenty of "big boy" rifles, so dont let the macho "its only a 22lr" bs make a mark in your decision.

I agree! I have sooo much fun shooting AR 22LR!

Ron-Solo
04-21-2012, 1:53 AM
Building an AR is fun. I supervised my eight year old grandson build one for his dad on fathers day. I helped with the bolt catch pin and the trigger guard pin, but he did everything else on the lower, including the stock.

That said, I LOVE my M&P 15/22. It is the most popular gun on every range trip.

jhoveln
04-21-2012, 5:49 AM
I absolutely LOVE my M&P 15/22. Although I have my XD .45ACP the .22lr is a ton of fun to shoot. I've put a cheap ($70) scope from Wal-Mart on it along with a bipod and It's super accurate. I get compliments every time I take it out.

Boltz
04-21-2012, 7:08 AM
I wouldn't recommend building a rifle for someone who has limited gun experience and knowledge unless you are really willing to figure it all out. Sure it's not too difficult, but you need the tools for it and if something isn't quite working, you need to be able to troubleshoot it.

With that said, if you just want to do some occasional casual plinking, a 22 would be excellent for that, especially the 15-22. If you want to get more serious, it still wouldn't be bad to have a 22, so I would start out with one.

rogervzv
04-21-2012, 8:17 AM
Ditto the 22. I have a .223 rifle (Ruger Mini 14) and really like it, but my 22 rifles and pistols see a lot more use. Cheap and fun. 22 ammo is very inexpensive. I buy it in large quantities at Turners and bulkammo.com.

The M&P 22 is a really cool rifle. I have my eye on it. Since I have four (4) Ruger 10/22s it is a little hard to justify buying one, but then again who is into justification? :eek: