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pc_load_letter
04-13-2012, 2:57 PM
http://www.guns.com/special-the-beretta-arx-160-a-possible-game-changer-in-the-ar15-market-6824.html

Looks great! Really tired of the AR platform and while my SCAR rocks, I've been dying for something else. (Not a fan of the XCR either)

Hope Beretta USA makes good on their statements.

osis32
04-13-2012, 3:00 PM
Wasn't that supposed to be the msrp of the acr too? I hope it's accurate but won't holds my breath.

Mobspade
04-13-2012, 3:01 PM
Looks a little overly plastic to me, price point isn't too bad though. Wouldn't mind checking one out with my own mitts.

Reverend Clint
04-13-2012, 3:04 PM
the ARX looks like a bloated plastic SCAR but if its shoot good guess that doesnt matter

UserM4
04-13-2012, 3:18 PM
Cant wait to see what dealer markup and availability is going to be like. Probably a year or two after release to find one easily.

zfields
04-13-2012, 3:40 PM
Id much rather see the CZ Bren hit the market.

MrPlink
04-13-2012, 3:51 PM
Id much rather see the CZ Bren hit the market.

me too, I trust them more ;)

Interesting to note how many SCAR type rifles popped up over the years all over the world.

fighterpilot562
04-13-2012, 4:01 PM
Looks a little overly plastic to me, price point isn't too bad though. Wouldn't mind checking one out with my own mitts.

i agree on the plastic part, i am not sure if i would enjoy that.

Ricky808maui
04-13-2012, 4:10 PM
When this comes out im indefinitely getting one
Been waitin

Capybara
04-13-2012, 4:30 PM
It seems like all of the innovative new guns are turning into plastic things - FS2000, Tavor, Kriss, this Beretta. Are we ever going to see anything new and innovative with a little more metal in the look and feel or are we destined to only own plastic paneled guns from here on out?

Merc1138
04-13-2012, 4:47 PM
It seems like all of the innovative new guns are turning into plastic things - FS2000, Tavor, Kriss, this Beretta. Are we ever going to see anything new and innovative with a little more metal in the look and feel or are we destined to only own plastic paneled guns from here on out?

Umm... because not using metal where it isn't completely necessary is part of the "innovation" unless you really think you need a metal mag well, grip, cheek rest, butt pad, handguard, etc. If you do need those to be in all metal, plenty of other guns are already on the market for you.

Ding126
04-13-2012, 4:58 PM
Gonna need a new BB design.....

Will these modern rifle designs being sold in the 48 other states benefit us gun owners by showing to the court's how old, out dated and in common use the AR platform is? Pretty soon some early AR's and HK rifles will be C&R's..if not already.

I guess I'm asking is there a possible angle here?

Merc1138
04-13-2012, 5:01 PM
Gonna need a new BB design.....

Will these modern rifle designs being sold in the 48 other states benefit us gun owners by showing to the court's how old, out dated and in common use the AR platform is? Pretty soon some early AR's and HK rifles will be C&R's..if not already.

I guess I'm asking is there a possible angle here?

ARs are already outdated, in common use, and some may indeed be eligible for C&R status(if not already).

Doesn't mean CA courts and legislature will care though.

MrPlink
04-13-2012, 6:03 PM
It seems like all of the innovative new guns are turning into plastic things - FS2000, Tavor, Kriss, this Beretta. Are we ever going to see anything new and innovative with a little more metal in the look and feel or are we destined to only own plastic paneled guns from here on out?

:oji: thats what I said when we moved away from wood!

And when are we going back to rimmed cartridges?
Screw it, lets bring back black powder! :oji:

New and innovative do not include using the old materials and paradigms of building.

Merc1138
04-13-2012, 6:13 PM
:oji: thats what I said when we moved away from wood!

And when are we going back to rimmed cartridges?
Screw it, lets bring back black powder! :oji:

New and innovative do not include using the old materials and paradigms of building.

Come to think of it, on an AR the only major issue with using a plastic lower is stuff like the pin holes, and takedown pins breaking. A rifle designed around having a mostly plastic receiver from the get-go shouldn't have those issues. The AR already has a plastic stock, grip, and handguard anyway with the receivers themselves not doing a whole heck of a lot in the grand scheme of things(except holding parts together, but that's been fine for decades now on other guns that were properly designed with the plastic components in mind).

Capybara
04-13-2012, 6:19 PM
It just seems from a design standpoint, all of these moderns, besides the FS2000, are basically boxes. Boxes are boring. The FS2000, it uses curves in an interesting way, parts of it I like but other parts look REALLY cheap.

ptoguy2002
04-13-2012, 6:23 PM
Plastic is the future. Accept it.

ACRfan
04-13-2012, 6:24 PM
I'm gonna start saving NOW!! That thing will be sexy next to my ACR in the safe

tiger222
04-13-2012, 6:41 PM
doesn't do anything for me.... looks like a HK G36 that ate too much pasta

m03
04-13-2012, 6:44 PM
doesn't do anything for me.... looks like a HK G36 that ate too much pasta

Well, it is Italian...

MrExel17
04-13-2012, 6:56 PM
Gotta wait and see, still not growing on me!

pc_load_letter
04-13-2012, 9:50 PM
I could have sworn I read that CZ licensed the Bren design from FN....i.e. the Bren is just a SCAR.

Never the less, I love to see new carbine designs and concepts. As with cars, I think it moves the technology and industry forward.

After all, didn't Glock start the polymer explosive trend in handguns?

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. If they copy the SCAR, ACR and others, then can that really be a bad thing?

Id much rather see the CZ Bren hit the market.

Merc1138
04-13-2012, 10:52 PM
After all, didn't Glock start the polymer explosive trend in handguns?



You mean go nuts with marketing of polymer handguns? Then yes.

They did not make the first(I believe that was HK).

zfields
04-13-2012, 10:55 PM
I could have sworn I read that CZ licensed the Bren design from FN....i.e. the Bren is just a SCAR.

Never the less, I love to see new carbine designs and concepts. As with cars, I think it moves the technology and industry forward.

After all, didn't Glock start the polymer explosive trend in handguns?

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. If they copy the SCAR, ACR and others, then can that really be a bad thing?

From what I read, they were unable/unwilling to licence it, so developed there own. Its supposed to be a pretty modular platform also.

Droppin Deuces
04-13-2012, 11:05 PM
I like it. Anything new is good in my book. I don't know if I would get one, though. There's nothing it can do for me that an AR won't. Plus, I'd take a 6.5 Grendel AR over any of the new stuff that is coming out any day. Except maybe the Remington version of the ACR, but they're to freaking stupid to let us have that.

Dhena81
04-14-2012, 9:05 AM
I think its funny that the whole AR market is moving to lighter thinner profile handguards, yet all the new wonder guns are thick and have rails where you don't need them. I personally don't like it based of the looks then there's the whole problem with the AR still being the most modular design in existence. I think I'll skip it and let the early adopters take the cake on this one.

Capybara
04-14-2012, 9:12 AM
Plastic is the future. Accept it.

:( You are probably right. Guess I grew up with too many wooden stocked guns to ever get excited about plastic guns.

proclone1
04-14-2012, 9:52 AM
I was really jazzed about the ARX-160, and then I got an ACR when I figured it'd be years until the ARX was released (and I've learned that in this industry, it's vaporware until it's in your cold dead hands. The ACR scratches the plastic-future Aliens gun well enough that I would rather spend ARX funds on another platform.

That said, when/if the Tavor comes out, I'm going to be all over that. Bullpup. (the FS2000 is just too awkward, and while the AUG is great, the market/manufacturing drama is just too stupid for my tastes)

RuggedJay
04-14-2012, 9:58 AM
Looks like a giant plastic turd.

chead
04-14-2012, 10:21 AM
Looks a little overly plastic to me, price point isn't too bad though. Wouldn't mind checking one out with my own mitts.

It's 2012, polymers offer a really viable alternative to steel or aluminum.

jbilling85
04-16-2012, 10:42 PM
I love the look of the ARX-160-

Other than the easy-to remove-modular-barrel, the gas piston, slightly lighter design, and the ability to choose which side your brass is spit out, I cant really justify buying one after already owning an AR. I was about to claim that the 1500$ price tag is way out there, but then I remembered Colt AR's are close to that price point.

Being a big Beretta fan (Owning a 92 and a CX-4, planning on getting a PX-4/Cougar) if they brought the price point down a bit I'd strongly consider getting one. The same sentiments for the H&K FS2000. Just sexy but too much scratch for me.

@Proclone
When do you reckon the Tavor will come out? Those remind me of the British SA80's....Anyone own one?

Merc1138
04-17-2012, 7:36 AM
I love the look of the ARX-160-

Other than the easy-to remove-modular-barrel, the gas piston, slightly lighter design, and the ability to choose which side your brass is spit out, I cant really justify buying one after already owning an AR. I was about to claim that the 1500$ price tag is way out there, but then I remembered Colt AR's are close to that price point.

Being a big Beretta fan (Owning a 92 and a CX-4, planning on getting a PX-4/Cougar) if they brought the price point down a bit I'd strongly consider getting one. The same sentiments for the H&K FS2000. Just sexy but too much scratch for me.

@Proclone
When do you reckon the Tavor will come out? Those remind me of the British SA80's....Anyone own one?

Even ignoring $1200-$1500 ARs, a SCAR and ACR still cost how much? $2000-$2500? Beretta is undercutting most of the "not an AR but kinda like an upgrade with new features added" market by having a $1500 MSRP. A $1300 street price for the ARX-160 might not be unreasonable to expect. I'm not going to run out and buy one, but it's definitely nice to see a newer design have an MSRP that isn't $2500-$3000.

ptoguy2002
04-17-2012, 8:26 AM
Beretta has a lot going for it with the -160: major mfg with good rep, mfg base in the US already established, mil adopted (Italy), modular, quick change barrel, looks like caliber conversions will be easy, late entry gives them the chance to learn from other's plastic mistakes, etc, etc.
IF, and a big IF, Beretta can maintain the price, this will go places in the US market. I see a problem though, if they can't maintain a reasonable zero with barrel changes though, american's like to have their accurate rifles.

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/1364/38677128.jpg
http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/beretta_arx160_762x_39mm_ak-tfb.jpg

gao1976
04-17-2012, 9:02 AM
My SCAR and ACR will have a little brother for sure , when it is released.

"Being a big Beretta fan (Owning a 92 and a CX-4, planning on getting a PX-4/Cougar) if they brought the price point down a bit I'd strongly consider getting one. The same sentiments for the FNH FS2000. Just sexy but too much scratch for me. "

HKDoc
04-17-2012, 9:18 AM
Lots of nifty features. I like the stock design.

I'm curious about the internal ceramic heat sink. Been too long since I took my material science in engineering class. Metal hold more heat energy and dissipate faster than a ceramic?

Outta Control
04-17-2012, 9:28 AM
Lots of nifty features. I like the stock design.

I'm curious about the internal ceramic heat sink. Been too long since I took my material science in engineering class. Metal hold more heat energy and dissipate faster than a ceramic?

I am not a metallurgist but from what I understand Ceramic is more heat resistant based on its density than metal. Am I close? :)

Moonshine
04-17-2012, 9:44 AM
In the $1600 range there are some seriously awesome gas piston AR-15s this will have to compete against not to mention the proven SCAR

Merc1138
04-17-2012, 10:01 AM
In the $1600 range there are some seriously awesome gas piston AR-15s this will have to compete against not to mention the proven SCAR

A SCAR isn't $1600. I haven't seen any ambi, easy to change caliber(at least without just changing the entire upper), swappable charging/ejection ARs at $1600 either.

Of course this thing will need to be accurate, but the caliber change kits will also need to be reasonably priced. It wouldn't do a bit of good if the kits were unavailable or ran $700. Beretta has a hell of a chance in the civilian market, not for just their own rifle, but possibly forcing some of the competition to lower prices(if the ARX-160 is actually competitive on more than just price alone).

Baga
04-17-2012, 10:25 AM
It looks ok to me. I'd like to try it out one day.

MrPlink
04-17-2012, 11:35 AM
I cant wait for an ala ACR price hike :D

Outta Control
04-17-2012, 11:41 AM
I cant wait for an ala ACR price hike :D

just because you have a SCAR? :D

NSR500
04-17-2012, 7:22 PM
"IF" these hit the market at $1500, I'd buy one just to have.

MrPlink
04-17-2012, 8:37 PM
just because you have a SCAR? :D

nope, because anything that reminds me of the ACR debacle makes me --> :D

edwardjames
04-17-2012, 9:58 PM
looks like an airsoft gun :P

pc_load_letter
04-18-2012, 9:03 PM
I think the lighter\thinner trend is from the popularity in the 3 gun arena.

But I think most LEO depts (at least here in San Diego) and mil units (of course I have no first hand knowledge there) still want rails and the classic M4 profile.

I think its funny that the whole AR market is moving to lighter thinner profile handguards, yet all the new wonder guns are thick and have rails where you don't need them. I personally don't like it based of the looks then there's the whole problem with the AR still being the most modular design in existence. I think I'll skip it and let the early adopters take the cake on this one.

m03
04-18-2012, 9:47 PM
I cant wait for an ala ACR price hike :D

Someone has to bring this up in every thread about a new rifle.

I swear to God, I'll pistol whip the next guy who says "ACR".

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_nY72TdvmuKk/TOZt1Ii4kgI/AAAAAAAACRY/pkEqWZ5B6kg/s1600/unions-711812.jpg

duc748bip
04-18-2012, 10:34 PM
Good for lefty

starsnuffer
04-19-2012, 6:40 AM
It's being made in the same factory Nerf uses for its firearms.

prerunners4life
04-19-2012, 6:44 AM
ACR!! Haha

But seriously, they better follow through with parts and caliber conversions otherwise this will be in the same boat as the ACR, I love my ACR but with no caliber conversions the rifles design is worthless..

defcon
05-14-2012, 1:28 PM
looks like an airsoft gun :P

Just bought a $23 airsoft version which will house my Ruger 10/22 or Marlin 795. Should receive it in a few days.

Hopefully the rails are made of metal


http://www.airsplat.com/Images/AR-JLS-BLT160.jpg

MrPlink
05-14-2012, 6:36 PM
Someone has to bring this up in every thread about a new rifle.

I swear to God, I'll pistol whip the next guy who says "ACR".

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_nY72TdvmuKk/TOZt1Ii4kgI/AAAAAAAACRY/pkEqWZ5B6kg/s1600/unions-711812.jpg

"Hey farva! What's the name of that overpriced, overweight, unreliable, inaccurate rifle you are always going on about?"

alfred1222
05-14-2012, 6:44 PM
it looks cool, but i still love me ACR

Centurion005
05-14-2012, 8:51 PM
I'll gladly wait until the early adopters find out everything that's wrong with it before I even consider dropping the cash on one.

Now, if Beretta can make good on there claims of a starting price around $1,500...

blap59
05-14-2012, 10:45 PM
looks like it ate a few too many twinkies

defcon
05-17-2012, 7:35 AM
here's my $23 version of a Ruger 10/22 version inside the ARX-160

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http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7095/7213974308_8f5ae74d3f_b.jpg


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8147/7213974240_feec1906a5_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7215/7213974090_c3e2fb3710_b.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8025/7213974162_da53508da3_b.jpg

PandaLuv
05-17-2012, 7:44 AM
I'm ok with plastic handguns, but this :puke: though I am curious how scar shoot.