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ThE_LoNgShOt
04-13-2012, 1:08 PM
so, I'm looking for a rifle that would be kind of a happy medium between hunting and tactical.... a good all-around survival type rifle. the kind of rifle you could grab when the $^%& hits the fan, that would be adaptable to tactical / combat type situations where higher ammo capacity is desired, but would also be able to take game animals or serve in a precision shooting capacity from reasonable distances. while I understand there is no "do it all" rifle, I guess I'm kind of looking for a "do it all" rifle... or as close as one can get. should situations arise where one would have to travel on foot and not have the luxury of carrying several firearms, I want to have a rifle ready to sling over my shoulder that can serve many purposes. I was thinking along the lines of like a Mini 14 ranch rifle.... any thoughts?

Rhythm of Life
04-13-2012, 1:20 PM
Simplest way is go AR15 with multiple uppers if your worried about 2 legged critters.

MrPlink
04-13-2012, 1:23 PM
.22lr

weber_2
04-13-2012, 1:23 PM
Uh oh here we go

AKSOG
04-13-2012, 1:25 PM
....

ptgarcia
04-13-2012, 1:25 PM
I think if I could have only one an AR15 would be as good of a choice as any. I'd grab mine or my lever action .30-30. A .22LR will work in a pinch, also. I love my Marlin 60s.

repubconserv
04-13-2012, 1:27 PM
Interesting post...

Hey....


I want kinda the best of both worlds - or have my cake and icing too.
I'm thinking the M1A So I can go into combat with it (if the S.H.T.F.) and also have a good long rifle to pic off bad guys at at least 300+ meters.

Then if necessary, have to go in and "clean out" a "bad guy house" close range style with the same gun.

Thoughts and suggestions?

If you're serious, Mini 14 or an AR are both good guns

atakacorp
04-13-2012, 1:28 PM
Uh oh here we go

LOL:43:

get this ,puppy comes with the survivor kit
http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt287/atakacorp/dog_of_war.jpg

Mamluke
04-13-2012, 1:28 PM
This is the right rifle for you; just get it and never look back:


http://www.tk560.com/studioprops/studioprops-Images/30.jpg


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... :D

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ElvenSoul
04-13-2012, 1:30 PM
Benelli MR1
SKS
M1A Scout
Mini 14/30

all these don't have that so evil look

tacticalcity
04-13-2012, 1:32 PM
AR15 meets your requirements. Though using term "sniper capacity" will result in over 1000 posts of people making fun of you. Use the word "precision" instead of sniper. Using "sniper" makes you sound like you are 11 years old. The new batch of CGers never pass up a chance to humiliate somebody.

Might sound like I am being a jerk...but that was very polite and nice by comparison to how others will treat you.

ElvenSoul
04-13-2012, 1:32 PM
Of course anything on this page would work for a majority of game animals

http://www.crickett.com/shop_by_brand.php?manufacturers_id=27

ThE_LoNgShOt
04-13-2012, 1:34 PM
Interesting post...



If you're serious, Mini 14 or an AR are both good guns

lol.... sorry, fellas! I'm lazy about doing a proper search of previous topics, and given the "feedback" so far, I'm guessing I'm asking a well worn question here. I assure you that I am VERY serious.... so, even if you've answered this question a "few" times before, I still appreciate your thoughts on this anyway. :surrender:

repubconserv
04-13-2012, 1:35 PM
lol.... sorry, fellas! I'm lazy about doing a proper search of previous topics, and given the "feedback" so far, I'm guessing I'm asking a well worn question here. I assure you that I am VERY serious.... so, even if you've answered this question a "few" times before, I still appreciate your thoughts on this anyway. :surrender:

lol, np I would just change your original post a little so we don't get another 5 page thread of people flaming you for using "improper terms"

ThE_LoNgShOt
04-13-2012, 1:37 PM
AR15 meets your requirements. Though using term "sniper capacity" will result in over 1000 posts of people making fun of you. Use the word "precision" instead of sniper. Using "sniper" makes you sound like you are 11 years old. The new batch of CGers never pass up a chance to humiliate somebody.

Might sound like I am being a jerk...but that was very polite and nice by comparison to how others will treat you.

thanks for the head's up! original post amended.... I haven't been 11 for 29 years. :)

AKSOG
04-13-2012, 1:41 PM
What's your price range? I would go with an AR10, M1A, or Vepr

ThE_LoNgShOt
04-13-2012, 1:42 PM
Benelli MR1
SKS
M1A Scout
Mini 14/30

all these don't have that so evil look

M1A Scout makes sense... hadn't considered that. I guess the only drawback would be weight?

Ding126
04-13-2012, 1:44 PM
A ruger 10/22, an AR15 ( much better than a mini14 for lots of reasons ) and 3rd a 12ga shotgun..bird, buck and slugs 8 or 9 rnd capacity....

9 pellets per buck shot does some damage

ThE_LoNgShOt
04-13-2012, 1:44 PM
What's your price range? I would go with an AR10, M1A, or Vepr

I'd like to find something in the $1500 range.

Mamluke
04-13-2012, 1:48 PM
thanks for the head's up! original post amended.... I haven't been 11 for 29 years. :)

NOOOOOOOOO ...

... Ok, a precision AR 15
BlackHeart BHI-15

http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/blackheart-bhi-15s-556mm.jpg

http://www.policemag.com/_Images/news/BH15S-carbine-length-web-2.jpg

http://www.bhigear.com/images/products/detail/BHBHI15S024.jpg

You can buy it here:

http://www.bhigear.com/bhi-15-s-carbine-1.aspx

....

ClarenceBoddicker
04-13-2012, 1:48 PM
This is the right rifle for you; just get it and never look back:


http://www.tk560.com/studioprops/studioprops-Images/30.jpg


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... :D

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The M1A1 Thompson has come a long way.

Milsurps
04-13-2012, 1:50 PM
Interesting post...
If you're serious, Mini 14 or an AR are both good guns

True but the AR is at a disadvantage here in Kalifornistan. My BB AR's sit in the back of the safe while the Mini-14's are in front with pre 2000 loaded mags on the shelf above. The AR's do go to the range much more often as their so fun to shoot. :)

The best rifle when Stuff hits the fan ?, the one you have. ;)

ClarenceBoddicker
04-13-2012, 1:51 PM
The M-14 is the best choice for all kinds of non exotic 2 or 4 leg hunting you will ever do.

ThE_LoNgShOt
04-13-2012, 1:54 PM
True but the AR is at a disadvantage here in Kalifornistan. My BB AR's sit in the back of the safe while the Mini-14's are in front with pre 2000 loaded mags on the shelf above. The AR's do go to the range much more often as their so fun to shoot. :)

The best rifle when Stuff hits the fan ?, the one you have. ;)

that will be true, once I have one! I've got a Savage 300 Win mag from my Elk hunting days in Idaho.... and some .22 plinkers... but nothing that would qualify as the "survival" type rifle I'm asking for input on. sounds like you like the Mini 14 as well.

bloodhawke83
04-13-2012, 1:56 PM
Any bolt gun for in caliber, any AK style for semi auto, any wheel gun for handgun and 1911 for semi auto handgun.

Untamed1972
04-13-2012, 1:58 PM
There are quite a few formerly breathing middle eastern men who received an extra hole in the head from a standard issue M4 with w/ACOG scope from 400-600yds away.

Works well as a tactical rifle, and with approriate ammo will put food on the table up to medium deer.

1)precision/sniper....check
2)tactical....check
3)survival/hunting.....check

And it's lite, and so is ammo so you can carry alot of it.

the86d
04-13-2012, 2:01 PM
.22 for small critters, 5.56 for big critters...

cabinetguy
04-13-2012, 2:01 PM
colt 901 with a .22lr upper, a .223 upper, and a .308 upper? im sure it would be expensive, but what is money?

the86d
04-13-2012, 2:07 PM
^I would go with a 5.56 NATO upper, as 5.56 NATO can blow some .223 chambers...^

This is also my plan, but on 3 separate lowers: .22lr, 5.56 NATO, and 9mm, and swap BB-less lower as needed for SHTF. :)

calif 15-22
04-13-2012, 2:11 PM
.22 for small critters, 5.56 for big critters...

I saw a commercial last night on Top Shot or one of those shows on the Outdoor Channel for this:

Ruger 10/22 Takedown:

http://www.ruger.com/products/1022Takedown/images/11100.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7eoIwMz8IA&feature=player_detailpage

Might have to add one of these to my bugout bag.

gorenut
04-13-2012, 2:12 PM
Benelli MR1
SKS
M1A Scout
Mini 14/30



Funny, this is the exact list that came into my head, especially since I already knew AR and AK would be covered by everyone else.

ThE_LoNgShOt
04-13-2012, 2:15 PM
I saw a commercial last night on Top Shot or one of those shows on the Outdoor Channel for this:

Ruger 10/22 Takedown:

http://www.ruger.com/products/1022Takedown/images/11100.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7eoIwMz8IA&feature=player_detailpage

Might have to add one of these to my bugout bag.

I saw that Turner's has these on sale right now....

wang949
04-13-2012, 2:29 PM
http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/demotivational-posters-hot-babes-fishing-with-a-stormtrooper.jpg
For your specified needs, I'd go with an E-11. It has way more stopping power and versatility + several pounds lighter than the rifle below. Just make sure to stock up on power cells for those extended engagements or full power shots on big bull elk.
This is the right rifle for you; just get it and never look back:


http://www.tk560.com/studioprops/studioprops-Images/30.jpg


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... :D

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MrPlink
04-13-2012, 2:49 PM
I hate to cross post and self-promote, but this is something I am developing as per the request of another calgunner whom wanted CQB and Sniping capabilities in one. This is actually the first major revision, there may be a 2nd though, as Merc is still demanding a masterkey.
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f158/natehectic/myweapon1.jpg

Mamluke
04-13-2012, 3:09 PM
Oh HELL just get one of these ....
... sending a boat load to Assad forces in Syria, I can spare one for you ... :43:

X23m86iwpsc



... :D

MrPlink
04-13-2012, 3:13 PM
Oh HELL just get one of these ....
... sending a boat load to Assad forces in Syria, I can spare one for you ... :43:

X23m86iwpsc



... :D

I almost pooped watching that!

segfault
04-13-2012, 3:52 PM
I'd take the CornerShot:
http://www.cornershot.com/files/images/home_pic.gif

Jason P
04-13-2012, 4:16 PM
I hate to cross post and self-promote, but this is something I am developing as per the request of another calgunner whom wanted CQB and Sniping capabilities in one. This is actually the first major revision, there may be a 2nd though, as Merc is still demanding a masterkey.
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f158/natehectic/myweapon1.jpg

Lots of serviceable parts on that weapon, you may want to think about adding a small toolkit and portable vice setup to one of the rails for mobile gunsmithing...

Lugiahua
04-13-2012, 4:24 PM
Su-16 for low end cheap survival weapon.
just make sure you get a better sight, factory one sucks

unusedusername
04-13-2012, 5:17 PM
http://www.cornershot.com/files/images/home_pic.gif

What is that in the display? It looks like a cat ironing laundry?

weber_2
04-13-2012, 5:25 PM
I hate to cross post and self-promote, but this is something I am developing as per the request of another calgunner whom wanted CQB and Sniping capabilities in one. This is actually the first major revision, there may be a 2nd though, as Merc is still demanding a masterkey.
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f158/natehectic/myweapon1.jpg

Sure hope that's a 10/300 mag and has a BB or I'm reporting you to the BBB

Standard
04-13-2012, 5:39 PM
M1A, Garand would both be good.

MrPlink
04-13-2012, 5:55 PM
Lots of serviceable parts on that weapon, you may want to think about adding a small toolkit and portable vice setup to one of the rails for mobile gunsmithing...

Well, think of the weapon as a system, not just the rifle. There are other components of the system not pictured, such as this analog ballistics calculator.
It is very rugged and requires no batteries.
http://www.ifcconsult.com/images/abbacus.jpg

When SHTF do you really have time to change out batteries to make that perfect sniper shot?


Sure hope that's a 10/300 mag and has a BB or I'm reporting you to the BBB

that is a 21 rd magazine. It is not available to non-mil, leo, or mall security, but I was break it down as a rebuild kit., or you can just have a standard 7rd mag.

No bullet button needed on this system as it is a bolt action. Please see the flow charts for clarification.



Back to topic, seriously if you want a survival rifle, get a .22lr.
Light, simple to maintain, easy to use, low sound signature, ammo is probably the most common and you can carry zillions of it with little concern of being bogged down.

xpbprox
04-13-2012, 5:55 PM
Come on seriously, build a 6.5 gendel! Wolf even makes 6.5 ammo so there's your shtf ammo.
With the 6.5 you have percision and cqb. This is one bad ***** round and it's build off of and AR-15 platform.

ElvenSoul
04-13-2012, 5:56 PM
Of course a 9mm out of 16" barrel packs a good punch. Lots of Carbine choices out now.

.40 and 45acp make good carbine choices as well.

ThE_LoNgShOt
04-13-2012, 8:46 PM
Of course a 9mm out of 16" barrel packs a good punch. Lots of Carbine choices out now.

.40 and 45acp make good carbine choices as well.

a .40 cal carbine would be awesome... that way I could carry one caliber ammo for my rifle and side arm.

Agent 0range
04-13-2012, 9:17 PM
A ruger 10/22, an AR15 ( much better than a mini14 for lots of reasons ) and 3rd a 12ga shotgun..bird, buck and slugs 8 or 9 rnd capacity....

9 pellets per buck shot does some damage

^^This. Add a .40 handgun and you've got all bases covered. :D

jeffrice6
04-13-2012, 9:18 PM
Mini 14 all the way!

UserM4
04-13-2012, 9:19 PM
Pulse rifle? hell yeah...
http://tdwgeeks.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/0c0366a4-8a76-46dd-ade0-f6feb39c3fa0.jpg

elSquid
04-13-2012, 9:43 PM
http://www.riflegear.com/p-803-saiga-rifle-762x39.aspx

Buy a case or two of Wolf, shoot it, buy 5 or 6 boxes of Winchester 123gr SP for a rainy day...

-- Michael

Saym14
04-13-2012, 10:37 PM
get an AR15

russ209
04-14-2012, 12:19 AM
There are quite a few formerly breathing middle eastern men who received an extra hole in the head from a standard issue M4 with w/ACOG scope from 400-600yds away.

Works well as a tactical rifle, and with approriate ammo will put food on the table up to medium deer.

1)precision/sniper....check
2)tactical....check
3)survival/hunting.....check

And it's lite, and so is ammo so you can carry alot of it.

I second the first part of this post!

AragornElessar86
04-14-2012, 12:24 AM
Still partial to the M7.

orthopod
04-14-2012, 12:52 AM
There are quite a few formerly breathing middle eastern men who received an extra hole in the head from a standard issue M4 with w/ACOG scope from 400-600yds away.

Works well as a tactical rifle, and with approriate ammo will put food on the table up to medium deer.

1)precision/sniper....check
2)tactical....check
3)survival/hunting.....check

And it's lite, and so is ammo so you can carry alot of it.

Exactly my thinking when I drosd my first ar15 today. Sure it's not a .308 but the weight and cost drawbacks are just too much for me to justify a .308 as anything other than a
Strict hunting/precision rifle.

wideLoad
04-14-2012, 1:08 AM
this doesn't get mentioned a lot but has a lot of "all in one" characteristics u want
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scout_rifle

the savage version looks pragmatic. have to get over bolt action though.

Tracer666
04-14-2012, 2:02 AM
I'd like to find something in the $1500 range.

M1A!!!!!! Either standard or scout! Both are awesome! Scout is Loud!!! :84:

bsg
04-14-2012, 3:14 AM
i've got a newer stainless Mini 14.

monkeylice
04-14-2012, 4:07 AM
The only thing more versatile than a nickel-plated Franchi LF-57...

http://i.imgur.com/BAtmV.jpg








... is dual-wielded nickel-plated Franchi LF-57s!

http://i.imgur.com/YHzbV.jpg

Donkeypunch0420
04-14-2012, 4:13 AM
^ Hi-larious!

PEZHEAD265
04-14-2012, 6:18 AM
A 308 bolt gun and a pistol and carbine in the same cal.Sub2000 fold up in your pack with your glock,sig or s&w on your hip.Maybe a 22 or shotgun and you have everything covered in your group.Only one would be a pistol and carbine combo.

weber_2
04-14-2012, 7:10 AM
Socom II

23 Blast
04-14-2012, 8:23 AM
M1A, Garand would both be good.

Except that both those types of rifles are heavy as heck.

A "ESTROGEN" rifle (Excrement Strikes The Rotating Oscillating Gadget Everyone Needs) is one that will be carried a lot, and (if you're lucky and smart) shot very little. You're not going to war with this rifle, you're avoiding having to shoot as much as possible, conserving ammo, etc. Semi-auto might be useful for bushwhacking (small) groups of bandits, but generally, you are not going to be doing SWAT team work with it.

A Mini 14 or a KISS AR seem like very good setups for this type of purpose, although even a Ruger 10/22 would be great if that's what I could get my hands on.

Squid
05-17-2012, 7:58 PM
one at:

Home, work, parent's, buddy's and last but not least....buried somewhere.

alfred1222
05-17-2012, 8:01 PM
I vote for a 10/22, or an AR with multiple uppers.

Richard Erichsen
05-18-2012, 5:45 AM
What is that in the display? It looks like a cat ironing laundry?

That's the Easter Egg. The company moto is "All Felines That Iron Clothing Must Die" in Hebrew.

R

Richard Erichsen
05-18-2012, 5:47 AM
http://science.howstuffworks.com/flamethrower3.htm

It will scare anything not burnt beyond recognition and any edible critters are pre-cooked extra crispy!

R

Richard Erichsen
05-18-2012, 5:53 AM
My final vote is for the Mk19: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mk_19_grenade_launcher
"Because you can never have too much firepower!"

Mounted on your "survival truck" with your "survival buddy" at your side, a burst into practically anything (T-Rex, lightly armored alien robots, undead horde) will bring about a return to peace and quiet when the smoke has cleared.

R

k1dude
05-18-2012, 6:03 AM
Come on seriously, build a 6.5 gendel! Wolf even makes 6.5 ammo so there's your shtf ammo.
With the 6.5 you have percision and cqb. This is one bad ***** round and it's build off of and AR-15 platform.

This ^!!!

Richard Erichsen
05-18-2012, 8:52 AM
So 6.5mm Grendel wasn't practical until Wolf/Tula started pumping out low cost FMJ ammo for it? "Cheap" and "precision" don't go together if that was the argument. 5.56 is cheaper and more abundant (though wouldn't be when the aliens arrive to steal our women and postal stamp collections).

6.5 mm is a great compromise, but there are others (6.8 Remington SPC) but it may never get the backing to push beyond being a boutique caliber.

R

k1dude
05-18-2012, 10:35 AM
So 6.5mm Grendel wasn't practical until Wolf/Tula started pumping out low cost FMJ ammo for it? "Cheap" and "precision" don't go together if that was the argument. 5.56 is cheaper and more abundant (though wouldn't be when the aliens arrive to steal our women and postal stamp collections).

6.5 mm is a great compromise, but there are others (6.8 Remington SPC) but it may never get the backing to push beyond being a boutique caliber.

R

The Grendel ammo Wolf is putting out isn't the typical steel/steel crap. It's very good brass/copper/lead/boxer ammo that has a very good reputation for accuracy. Not unlike Wolf match .22 rimfire ammo's accuracy reputation. Cheap and precision is exactly what the Wolf is, especially the MPT. Hornady and AA also put out very nice and accurate ammo for the 6.5 Grendel. The Grendel is now SAAMI, so expect more ammo manufacturers to jump on board.

The 6.5 Grendel mirrors .308 ballistics, but fits into a standard AR platform. So it makes a great hunting round.

p2rider426
05-18-2012, 11:08 AM
I saw a commercial last night on Top Shot or one of those shows on the Outdoor Channel for this:

Ruger 10/22 Takedown:

http://www.ruger.com/products/1022Takedown/images/11100.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7eoIwMz8IA&feature=player_detailpage

Might have to add one of these to my bugout bag.

Beat me to it. Check out tnoutdoors9 doing a ballistic gel test of CCI Mini Mags. They surprised the crap out of me how well they performed. My BOB would consist of a takedown 10/22 and a few thousand mini mags in sealed containers. And possibly some 30 round rebuild kits :D

Inquirer
05-18-2012, 2:55 PM
I don't think anyone's said this but if they have, sorry.

This seems to suit your needs fairly well:

http://www.ruger.com/products/gunsiteScoutRifle/models.html

.308, rugged, compact barrel, railed for optics, good brake on it from what I've heard. I'd take one. But honestly, I'd keep the .22 too. :) The rest is just fun.

--Inq

AfghanVetOrcutt
05-18-2012, 3:01 PM
Ma Deuce. 'Nuff said.

Richard Erichsen
05-18-2012, 8:37 PM
Ma Deuce. 'Nuff said.

I usually say the same thing with greater specificity: M2B-HB firing links of M8 armor-piercing incendiary fed out of an M2A1 100 round box. Ma Deuce cuts them in half, Mk19 blows the undead into chum. All that is needed now for the survival fantasy to be complete is a hot babe, an armored fighting vehicle and an unlimited ammunition and fuel supply. ;)

R

vta
05-18-2012, 8:49 PM
Stock saiga 5.45.

temilotzin21
05-18-2012, 8:52 PM
Really!? How is everyone getting this wrong? Kel Tec SU16CA all the way! If you live in CA it's not even a question. Light weight, reliable, no BB and if you have pre ban norm cap mags it's good to go. Come on people!:cool:

k1dude
05-18-2012, 8:58 PM
Really!? How is everyone getting this wrong? Kel Tec SU16CA all the way! If you live in CA it's not even a question. Light weight, reliable, no BB and if you have pre ban norm cap mags it's good to go. Come on people!:cool:

The Kel-Tec SU-16CA is an excellent gun for certain applications. But I don't think any rifle chambered in 5.56 x 45 would be considered a hunting gun unless you were only hunting for varmints (coyote sized game and smaller).

Okami
05-19-2012, 8:44 AM
Agree on Saiga 5.45 if cost is a concern. Make 922r compliant for over 10rds.

Travis590A1
05-19-2012, 9:23 AM
How about a good reliable mosin? Heavy hitting round, cheap ammo (more range time). The fact that they were made to survive ww2 is a big bonus too. Can't forget those old war horses

Richard Erichsen
05-19-2012, 9:57 AM
How about a good reliable mosin? Heavy hitting round, cheap ammo (more range time). The fact that they were made to survive ww2 is a big bonus too. Can't forget those old war horses

If it has to be a Mosin, might as well go carbine and select the M44. It gives up some range and velocity in exchange for a handier package. I wonder how long 7.62x54R remains cheap though.

R

Travis590A1
05-19-2012, 10:02 AM
Ya that's true. I just think the mosin is over looked because of its age. The reality is its age is its best feature...its standed the test of time lol

TreeHugger
05-19-2012, 10:14 AM
What's your price range? I would go with an AR10, M1A, or Vepr

Ar10 is too heavy to lug around and really have no reason for long range self defense and survival game hunting. Personally, the lighter the setup, the better, since he'll also be carrying a bunch of other survival stuff, porno mags, etc. Since i don't have my ak anymore, i'd grab my ar15 as the go to with an rds and 3x magnifier, plus 10 to 15 mags

Richard Erichsen
05-19-2012, 12:13 PM
Ya that's true. I just think the mosin is over looked because of its age. The reality is its age is its best feature...its standed the test of time lol

A serviceable Mauser '98 clone would have been my choice, but now that 7.92x57 mm surplus Mauser is almost all gone, I don't think that's as solid a plan. A sporterized, non-matching Polish, Czech or Belgian '98 pre-war or early post-war would be my next choice, already converted to 7.62 NATO. That also fits the description of the Spanish FR8, a great rifle.

I can only hope for the Mosin Nagant crowd that 7.62x54R remains cheap and available for the next decade or more.

R

jcslone
05-19-2012, 1:29 PM
Smith & Wesson M&P15 series AR-15. Retardedly reliable, durable, and accurate. Cheap too (you can find them from about $600 on up). Top it with an Eotech or aimpoint sight and some backup irons, throw in a bunch of PMAGs and you're good to go. Simple and cheap. You'd be well within your $1500 budget. :coolgleamA: