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connorr93
04-10-2012, 8:29 AM
Never mind guys.

zfields
04-10-2012, 8:32 AM
Guess its that time of the week.....

rplusplus
04-10-2012, 8:32 AM
Oh the humanity... Please make it stop... There are hundreds of thousands of dead who would disagree.

fighterpilot562
04-10-2012, 8:37 AM
oh this again. Yes you are right. write a letter to the army and demand they change to a different call of duty gun

connorr93
04-10-2012, 8:39 AM
Oh the humanity... Please make it stop... There are hundreds of thousands of dead who would disagree.

Im not saying it cant get the job done, just that it may not be the best option.

connorr93
04-10-2012, 8:40 AM
oh this again. Yes you are right. write a letter to the army and demand they change to a different call of duty gun

???

bighead
04-10-2012, 8:40 AM
I heard the .223 is equivalent to getting hit with a flying gummi bear.

voiceoftheright
04-10-2012, 8:41 AM
Well if your neighbor the veteran said it it must be true.

SacTown
04-10-2012, 8:41 AM
I sure as hell would never want to get hit by a .223/5.56 and if I were to get hit by one center mass, my money is on the .223/5.56 winning.

Just-in
04-10-2012, 8:44 AM
people say the same thing about 9mm. I'd not want to stand in front of any moving projectile.

SR-71 BLACKBIRD
04-10-2012, 8:45 AM
:lurk5:

1911su16b870
04-10-2012, 8:45 AM
Body perforated by any thing = bad.

peter95
04-10-2012, 8:51 AM
Guess its that time of the week.....

:LOL

anyways, OP, I tell you I would not be the one in the dot of an AR that for sure.

They are pretty effective IMO. I've never been in war, but at least I can carry multiple mags on me full of .223/5.56 and I think i'm plenty good with head shots....

ir0nclash86
04-10-2012, 8:52 AM
:lurk5:

Dont hog it all. Pass me some over.


:lurk5:


Yum. :)

r8dr rider
04-10-2012, 8:52 AM
Does a bear **** in the woods?

cabinetguy
04-10-2012, 8:58 AM
it is unless you get a dud

frankm
04-10-2012, 9:01 AM
Out of a 20" barrel it's hella effective.

jonzer77
04-10-2012, 9:05 AM
Never mind guys. I forgot that when you start talking about everyones baby they freak.

You say this because you were hit by one and didn't even feel it right?

grim1U
04-10-2012, 9:20 AM
Standing behind a thick solid wall (i.e. cover, not concealment), not so much. Out in the open, sucks to be you. :eek:

Budd
04-10-2012, 9:30 AM
Don't feed the trolls.

SR-71 BLACKBIRD
04-10-2012, 9:31 AM
Dont hog it all. Pass me some over.


:lurk5:


Yum. :)

:beatdeadhorse5:

:rofl2:

robert101
04-10-2012, 10:07 AM
Is it effective..... wow.... really.....cover.... oh never mind.

Droppin Deuces
04-10-2012, 10:45 AM
No, the 5.56/.223 is just a toy round. In fact, I use my real M4gery in airsoft games. It's a little loud without earpro, but people who get hit by it usually tell me after the games that it stings a little, but barely breaks the skin.

pacifico23
04-10-2012, 10:48 AM
Abolutely not, you just need a couple sweaters on and it will deflect the bullets. Thats what I use.

calif 15-22
04-10-2012, 10:48 AM
A rock is somewhat effective.
A candlestick is more effective.
A bat is super effective.

.223 / 5.56 is freaking deadly.
55 gr is 3,240 feet per second, 1,280 ft lbs of force.

If that's not effective . . . you missed :cool:

that "click" sound you hear is the landmind you stepped on with this thread :eek: lol

navycorpsman
04-10-2012, 10:49 AM
ITS a VERY VERY effective HUMAN Stopper. As far as for people under cover. Thats why we have people that carry a heavier caliber and also have the 50. Thats why there are diff weapons and calibers. Also can carry twice as much ammo with 5.56 which is important when your cut off from supply for 3 days in an surrounded iraqi village. Just speaking from my experience

Bhobbs
04-10-2012, 10:50 AM
How about you volunteer to catch a few and tell us how well it works.

winnre
04-10-2012, 10:51 AM
5.56mm is great but not if you miss the first shot. Then you want .308 because when being shot at people tend to hide behind things.

navycorpsman
04-10-2012, 11:02 AM
I prefer them not to hide hahaha. But better yet dont miss haha

r8dr rider
04-10-2012, 11:09 AM
What's better AK or AR?

Droppin Deuces
04-10-2012, 11:10 AM
What's better AK or AR?

AK's make you impervious to 5.56 rounds.

kmullins
04-10-2012, 12:27 PM
Sit down and fasten your seatbelts, get ready for the ride of your life on the TROLLercoaster.

gesundheit
04-10-2012, 12:32 PM
5.56 is a toy round. Even mosquito bites have more sting :(

stix213
04-10-2012, 12:41 PM
I usually shoot myself with .223 for fun on the weekends. Don't even feel it.


Is this thread a joke?

LovingTheYear1911
04-10-2012, 12:43 PM
Yes ineffective if you're Chuck Norris.

doc8404
04-10-2012, 12:46 PM
so finally for a seriuos answer, it depends on what your trying to do, yes it will do damage not questions asked. But is it as effective as the same ammo most other countries/rebel forces use? with in four hundred yards with well placed shots yes. But this is also why our military is now issuing .308/7.76 rifles in afghan the 2.23/5.56 is not a distance round. so again it depends what you want to use it for.

MrPlink
04-10-2012, 12:48 PM
Dont get shot by ANYTHING is my policy.

doc8404
04-10-2012, 12:48 PM
.223
typo

AeroEngi
04-10-2012, 12:52 PM
Hai gais..watz beter stag or bcm

Chaos47
04-10-2012, 12:52 PM
I heard the .223 is equivalent to getting hit with a flying gummi bear.

Mmm Gummy Bears...



I wouldn't want to get shot with a 22LR let alone a 223. (or a 9mm for that matter because I'm sure your next original thread will be 9mm vs 45ACP)

JeremyKX
04-10-2012, 12:53 PM
We should ask Osama Bin Laden what he thinks about that round. I heard he got hit by a few...

jbush
04-10-2012, 12:55 PM
Seems it's been doing ok since the 60s. What kind of questions is that OP?

thompson pump
04-10-2012, 12:56 PM
223s will tear your limbs off, Nuff said

tacticalcity
04-10-2012, 12:57 PM
Tell ya what...you go stand over there and we'll see.

Same guys that believe that the 5.56mm is useless believe that the 9mm is useless. They usually believe in myths like "knockdown power"...as if a handgun or rifle round is literally capable of lifting a man off his feet and throwing him backwards. It is all ego and machismo.

818gtiguy
04-10-2012, 12:57 PM
This is what a 55gr projectile does to your leg...

http://www.zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=109&t=84194&hilit=look+like+a+poodle&sid=a3ce1495f97afc9e5958bf17eb5a3199

Droppin Deuces
04-10-2012, 12:59 PM
We should ask Osama Bin Laden what he thinks about that round. I heard he got hit by a few...

Nothing like a bullet to the head to change your mode of thinking. I hear that guy has 5.56 on the brain now.

P.Charm
04-10-2012, 12:59 PM
I guess you should be asking at what range and what type of weapon. for CQB, I don't know first hand but I can almost bet it's lethal. longer distance it would depend on the weapon how many grains i suppose.

Just-in
04-10-2012, 1:02 PM
Yes ineffective if you're Chuck Norris.

Chuck Norris aint got nothin on Leroy Jethro Gibbs!

http://emwinans.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/6a00d8341c657753ef01538e3571fd970b-300wi.png?w=1000

451040
04-10-2012, 1:12 PM
I am postin' in a :troll: thread!

Ksmash01
04-10-2012, 1:15 PM
.223... like gummy bears...and I've been going to the store to feed my sweet tooth all this time...:facepalm:

Geez, NOW you tell me...hell I could run down range and get enough of that sweet .223 to give me cavities for life. :sarcasm:

Thanks a lot Calguns...GOSH!

DesertSniper
04-10-2012, 1:19 PM
Never mind guys. I forgot that when you start talking about everyones baby they freak.



:troll::troll::troll:

SURVIVOR619
04-10-2012, 1:19 PM
if they are like gummy bears, then why isn't a bag of them just as cheap? :shuriken:

Hoop
04-10-2012, 1:31 PM
Never mind guys. I forgot that when you start talking about everyones baby they freak.

AWWW I missed all the fun.

sffred
04-10-2012, 2:09 PM
Lol, I love calguns! I needed this thread to put a big smile on my face! It made my day!(especially after reading the exploding rifles thread!)

mif_slim
04-10-2012, 2:20 PM
Chuck Norris was once shot by 5.56, the 5.56 died.

mif_slim
04-10-2012, 2:21 PM
7.62 on the other hand.....

HK Dave
04-10-2012, 2:27 PM
OP, anything less than 50bmg is horrible.... 223 .... shoot might as well be shooting 22 short. ;)

HK Dave
04-10-2012, 2:28 PM
7.62 on the other hand.....

It died too. ;) This is Chuck we're talking about here :P

AR15_In_My_Blood
04-10-2012, 2:31 PM
I think it does damage

http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=17111.0

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SR-71 BLACKBIRD
04-10-2012, 2:36 PM
LOL you guys are surely lightening the mood of my day. Ty.

This tread also reminds me of the movie Three Kings:

f8j4GIRYbZw

RickRyder
04-10-2012, 2:37 PM
I can tell by reading some of these replies that a lot of folks have never even shot a .223, 5.56 or 7.62x39 round. Yes, they are all different, if you do not agree, you are misinformed. .223 rounds are VERY powerful and will most certainly kill any man, if he lives, he is LUCKY. Lets get something straight people, 7.62x39 a.k.a. "The AK47 Round" is not better because it is bigger. It is a slower .30 caliber round very similar in ballistics to a 30-30 rifle. The .223 is a smaller round that travels much faster and the 5.56mm round travels even faster than the .223 creating more pressure in the barrel, which is also why a barrel chambered for 5.56mm will shoot .223, but you should not shoot 5.56mm out of a barrel chambered for .223...This thread is DUMB...

mif_slim
04-10-2012, 2:40 PM
It died too. ;) This is Chuck we're talking about here :P

True....Sorry Chuck Norris....I didnt mean to offend you. :D

winnre
04-10-2012, 2:40 PM
Now I wonder about a 7.62x39 vs a 30-30 round!

biscuitbarrel
04-10-2012, 2:42 PM
Abolutely not, you just need a couple sweaters on and it will deflect the bullets. Thats what I use.

Really? Who'da thunk it?

RickRyder
04-10-2012, 2:46 PM
Now I wonder about a 7.62x39 vs a 30-30 round!

The rounds are different, however their ballistics performance is very close to the same.

winnre
04-10-2012, 2:50 PM
The rounds are different, however their ballistics performance is very close to the same.

Good to know. I have a 30-30, love it, and really do not wish to duplicate a category of ammo function.

AR15_In_My_Blood
04-10-2012, 3:07 PM
I can tell by reading some of these replies that a lot of folks have never even shot a .223, 5.56 or 7.62x39 round. Yes, they are all different, if you do not agree, you are misinformed. .223 rounds are VERY powerful and will most certainly kill any man, if he lives, he is LUCKY. Lets get something straight people, 7.62x39 a.k.a. "The AK47 Round" is not better because it is bigger. It is a slower .30 caliber round very similar in ballistics to a 30-30 rifle. The .223 is a smaller round that travels much faster and the 5.56mm round travels even faster than the .223 creating more pressure in the barrel, which is also why a barrel chambered for 5.56mm will shoot .223, but you should not shoot 5.56mm out of a barrel chambered for .223...This thread is DUMB...

I love the .223/5.56 cartridge but just because it has a higher velocity doesn't make it any more lethal than the 7.62x39. Yes the AK round is slower but it does offer greater energy.

But all of this makes no difference. There will always be variables that will change ballistics and the effect a round has on a body. Angles, obsturctions, point of impact, distance, ammo manufacture, etc.



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RickRyder
04-10-2012, 3:19 PM
Good to know. I have a 30-30, love it, and really do not wish to duplicate a category of ammo function.

Well, keep in mind the 7.62x39 is cheaper to shoot due to the fact that it is very common throughout the world and there are tons of surplus 7.62 available

I am planning on buying a Ruger mini 30 for that very reason, for target shooting, it's easier on my wallet

RickRyder
04-10-2012, 3:20 PM
I love the .223/5.56 cartridge but just because it has a higher velocity doesn't make it any more lethal than the 7.62x39. Yes the AK round is slower but it does offer greater energy.

But all of this makes no difference. There will always be variables that will change ballistics and the effect a round has on a body. Angles, obsturctions, point of impact, distance, ammo manufacture, etc.



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I never said it was more lethal, just different...Either way a person is beyond screwed if hit with either one...

calif 15-22
04-10-2012, 3:32 PM
Chuck Norris was once shot by 5.56, the 5.56 died.

This sir is not true . . . The story goes "Chuck Norris was onced shot with a 5.56 and the 5.56 died. The shooter then attempted to shoot Chuck Norris with a 7.62x39 and that round was so scared it failed to fire" :eek:


I can tell by reading some of these replies that a lot of folks have never even shot a .223, 5.56 or 7.62x39 round. Yes, they are all different, if you do not agree, you are misinformed. .223 rounds are VERY powerful and will most certainly kill any man, if he lives, he is LUCKY. Lets get something straight people, 7.62x39 a.k.a. "The AK47 Round" is not better because it is bigger. It is a slower .30 caliber round very similar in ballistics to a 30-30 rifle. The .223 is a smaller round that travels much faster and the 5.56mm round travels even faster than the .223 creating more pressure in the barrel, which is also why a barrel chambered for 5.56mm will shoot .223, but you should not shoot 5.56mm out of a barrel chambered for .223...This thread is DUMB...

WOW . . . Only 61 posts before it turned into a AK vs AR thread. OK OK who had 61 posts in the "when will this turn into a AK vs AR pool"

wsmc27
04-10-2012, 3:33 PM
Out of a 20" barrel it's hella effective.

Yep.

Anything under 20" and someone with a couple sweaters just walks away huh?

;)

LOL at the variety of serious answers and the CG jokesters at work here.

:D

btw, did any of you guys recently see that .556 is in fact greater then .223?

:p

Black Majik
04-10-2012, 3:35 PM
I'd say so...

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/RChang824/DSC_0016-6.jpg

winnre
04-10-2012, 3:35 PM
btw, did any of you guys recently see that .556 is in fact greater then .223?

:p

.556? That's over half an inch right?

RaiderNation
04-10-2012, 3:40 PM
Never mind guys. I forgot that when you start talking about everyones baby they freak.

It's not that people are "freaking out" because you are questioning the effectiveness of the .223/5.56 round. It is because you could have used the search button and found out that this topic has been covered numerous times. I for one don't even want to be shot with a BB/Pellet. I can only imagine what a 55gr .223/5.56 would do and that is not a very pretty thought. Have a nice day and play some more COD.

The War Wagon
04-10-2012, 3:41 PM
Is the .223 round effective.?

As opposed to what? 9mm? A pebble & a slingshot? Bad breath? An angry letter to the editor? :rolleyes:

Anyone willing to DISPROVE it's effectiveness, by standing in front of the proverbial 'speeding bullet?' MOST people DON'T... at least not voluntarily. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/images/icons/icon11.gif

speedrrracer
04-10-2012, 3:45 PM
.223 / 5.56 is completely ineffective for all purposes.

You should immediately send me your entire supply. I'll take care of proper disposal and won't even charge you a fee!

wsmc27
04-10-2012, 3:45 PM
.556? That's over half an inch right?

;) Yep, and I read it here on CG.

MrPlink
04-10-2012, 3:51 PM
Anyone willing to DISPROVE it's effectiveness, by standing in front of the proverbial 'speeding bullet?'

I'll do do it!
If get to "wear" one of these!

http://cache2.artprintimages.com/lrg/36/3644/FVQEF00Z.jpg

Im a bit shocked this thread didnt go full re re ASAP.

Usually the 7.62 guys jump in and start flaming, then the 5.56 apologists start talking about trajectories and carrying a lighter load, which is also inevitably followed up with somebody posting a vid of a guy blowing up water melons with 5.56. Then it turns quickly into an AR vs AK debate. Sometimes religion and politics sneaks it's way in.

Then finally a vet forum member gets flamed really bad by OP or another noob, feelings are hurt, bans are issued, and the thread is locked.

But just to be on the safe side,
IBTL!

Droppin Deuces
04-10-2012, 3:56 PM
Now I wonder about a 7.62x39 vs a 30-30 round!

Both very powerful out to about 75 yards. Beyond that it's like shooting artillery.

glock 357
04-10-2012, 4:00 PM
Hell even a 22lr is effective at 200 yards
OUM1r_444CY

Dreaded Claymore
04-10-2012, 4:10 PM
Yes, the 5.56mm NATO cartridge is effective. If you shoot someone with it, and hit them, they will be injured, and may well die.

To know just how effective it is, however, you need to consider the specific engagement and its

range
terrain
fortifications
enemy
forseeability
distance from support
other weapons being used


But, in general, is it effective? Well, let's go to the film:

"UNITED STATES RIFLEMAN used 5.56MM NATO! It's super effective!"

AeroEngi
04-10-2012, 4:17 PM
I'll do do it!
If get to "wear" one of these!

http://cache2.artprintimages.com/lrg/36/3644/FVQEF00Z.jpg

Im a bit shocked this thread didnt go full re re ASAP.

Usually the 7.62 guys jump in and start flaming, then the 5.56 apologists start talking about trajectories and carrying a lighter load, which is also inevitably followed up with somebody posting a vid of a guy blowing up water melons with 5.56. Then it turns quickly into an AR vs AK debate. Sometimes religion and politics sneaks it's way in.

Then finally a vet forum member gets flamed really bad by OP or another noob, feelings are hurt, bans are issued, and the thread is locked.
But just to be on the safe side,
IBTL!

LOL at this!

UserM4
04-10-2012, 4:22 PM
Wanna see what happens to someone's leg when hit my 5.56?

WARNING GRAPHIC
http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=17111.0

FX-05 Xiuhcoatl
04-10-2012, 4:30 PM
:xeno:

SR-71 BLACKBIRD
04-10-2012, 4:32 PM
I for one don't even want to be shot with a BB/Pellet.

I've been there done that, and still have the proof in my shoulder. Stupid friend of mine shot me with my own bb gun. Doctors said it would do more damage to take the BB out than to just leave it in there.

gesundheit
04-10-2012, 4:41 PM
.556? That's over half an inch right?

I hope that's NOT what she said.

TNP'R
04-10-2012, 4:48 PM
I've been there done that, and still have the proof in my shoulder. Stupid friend of mine shot me with my own bb gun. Doctors said it would do more damage to take the BB out than to just leave it in there.

Yep me too, got shot with one in the forearm point blank, I had to dig it out. Still got a little scar there. I wasn't letting my bro shoot me on purpose so..

EvoXRiley
04-10-2012, 4:55 PM
I'd say so...

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/RChang824/DSC_0016-6.jpg

how'd you get the squirrel to pose for that picture?

mif_slim
04-10-2012, 5:12 PM
^ thought it was Chuck Norris.

jcslone
04-10-2012, 5:34 PM
a 62gr 5.56 NATO round will explode a man's head at 800 yards. you can make that shot with iron sights (no joke).

terminal effects will ultimatly be determined by the composition and structure of the bullet in conjunction with the weight and velocity of the round. barrel length and rifiling will affect the muzzle velocity as well as the accuracy of the round. in short there are many many variables that go into how "effective" a given round will be at a given distance. For example, i would not use a 55gr FMJ for precision marksmanship and consistent lethal effects, a 62gr or 68gr HPBT or steel core penetrator would be more appropriate for that sort of application. That being said, I've had pleasent results with American Eagle 55gr FMJ out to 600 yards while practicing at home.

Black Majik
04-10-2012, 5:47 PM
I'd say so...

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/RChang824/DSC_0016-6.jpg

how'd you get the squirrel to pose for that picture?

He was so happy I was taking his picture that he was beside himself.

Hoop
04-10-2012, 5:52 PM
I am planning on buying a Ruger mini 30

Get a Saiga instead. Trust me on this.

STI
04-10-2012, 5:57 PM
When I got my first AR, I made some targets out of scrap 3/16" Cold rolled steel and took it to the desert. At 50 yards with PMC .223 it was punching clean holes like a hot knife through butter. I gained a lot of respect for that cartridge that day as I had always heard it wasn't good for penetration through barriers.

Coded-Dude
04-10-2012, 6:02 PM
to answer the question: yes and no - it's relative to the situation.

:hide:

NYY
04-10-2012, 6:04 PM
This is what a 55gr projectile does to your leg...

http://www.zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=109&t=84194&hilit=look+like+a+poodle&sid=a3ce1495f97afc9e5958bf17eb5a3199

was waiting for this to be posted...

digitalelf
04-10-2012, 6:33 PM
At 50 yards with PMC .223 it was punching clean holes like a hot knife through butter. I gained a lot of respect for that cartridge that day as I had always heard it wasn't good for penetration through barriers.

[THREADJACK] Not all steel is the same however, regardless of thickness. It's all about density... [/END THREADJACK]

ExtremeX
04-10-2012, 6:38 PM
[THREADJACK] Not all steel is the same however, regardless of thickness. It's all about density... [/END THREADJACK]

+1

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TreeHugger
04-10-2012, 6:52 PM
Never mind guys. I forgot that when you start talking about everyones baby they freak.

Your question is legit and does NOT get my knickers in a bunch, everyone has their own opinion.

Effective? Just ask those who have perished by a 5.56/.223 if it is effective or not.

TreeHugger
04-10-2012, 7:23 PM
This huge 5.56 wound :43: happened at a 25 yrd indoor range, the 1/4" long piece of metal jacket, about the size of a bee stinger, ricochet and got stuck in my arm. Didn't even feel it, by the time I noticed it, it left a burn scar, now looks a big freaking zit, at least the giant zit looking scar is not on the tip of my nose, that would have been really screwed up :eek:

http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp61/ifubad/hugegunshotwound.jpg

MrPlink
04-10-2012, 7:25 PM
Your question is legit and does NOT get my knickers in a bunch, everyone has their own opinion.

Effective? Just ask those who have perished by a 5.56/.223 if it is effective or not.

well if we really want to be fair, ask those who have not perished. Then compare them.

Problem with this sorta thing when you ask individuals you are probably collecting date in an unscientific method.

It would not be odd to talk to a combat vet who saw an enemy have part of his body explode from 5.56. It wouldnt be hard to find an anecdote of somebody who witnessed a center mass where the enemy simply clutched the wound and walked away. :shrug:

In other words you would really need a wide set of stats comparing injuries from different rounds etc etc etc etc

Hard to really test. There is balistic gel data sure, but ultimately in this sorta thing there are so many variables.

Once again, in simple terms you do not want to be shot! Even with BB guns.

Im sure if you search hard enough there kids who have been killed by NERF, Supersoakers, spitwads etc etc etc

If you search hard enough there are people shot in the face with a rfle that live! Then you have the guy who got hit in the stomach by a 22lr who dies...

You have to be able to separate all the anecdotes and outliers etc etc etc

Mossy Man
04-10-2012, 7:26 PM
from my personal experience, none of the paper i have shot with my 5.56/.223 have survived.

javalos
04-10-2012, 7:26 PM
Never mind guys. I forgot that when you start talking about everyones baby they freak.

Is the .223 round effective? Ask the VietCong and the Haji's who were on the receiving end.

MrPlink
04-10-2012, 7:27 PM
This huge 5.56 wound :43: happened at a 25 yrd indoor range, the 1/4" long piece of metal jacket, about the size of a bee stinger, ricochet and got stuck in my arm. Didn't even feel it, by the time I noticed it, it left a burn scar, now looks a big freaking zit, at least the giant zit looking scar is not on the tip of my nose, that would have been really screwed up :eek:

http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp61/ifubad/hugegunshotwound.jpg

yowza. I got hit twice in one month from fragmented jackets at in door range! Both times drew blood, but nothing serious/no scars

STI
04-10-2012, 7:28 PM
[THREADJACK] Not all steel is the same however, regardless of thickness. It's all about density... [/END THREADJACK]

Yeah I know, that's why I specified it was cold rolled and not a high carbon steel such as chromoly or AR500. I still thought that was pretty impressive for such a small bullet. I now have 3/8" AR500 steel plates and .223 barely leaves a scratch, but it's still fun to punch holes in softer steels :D

TreeHugger
04-10-2012, 7:34 PM
yowza. I got hit twice in one month from fragmented jackets at in door range! Both times drew blood, but nothing serious/no scars

I guess the difference with mine is that it was stuck on the top layer of the skin for a short period, drew a little blood too. If I yanked it out right away, maybe it would've left a much smaller scar. Hence I don't shoot rifles at indoor ranges any more.

Were you shooting 5.56 also?

SR-71 BLACKBIRD
04-10-2012, 7:45 PM
This one time in band camp.......(jk)

For real I learned the hard way about bullet ricochet when I was a wee teenager. I took out a pigeon and it fell on some cement. It was still alive so I put one through it's head to put it out of it's misery. Problem was I was standing directly over it.

You can imagine what happened next. Took one right between the eyes. If that BB had hit me an inch to the right or the left I literally would have been like ol Ralph in the Christmas story movie. I'd have a nick name like one eyed willy or something silly like that.

Some times we just have to learn the hard way.

Thread jack over.

Carry on...........

tundraotto
04-10-2012, 7:50 PM
effective for what? think of this - how far would you want to be of someone shooting it at you? that should answer it...

pyro3k2
04-10-2012, 8:00 PM
this thread is full of win! so many quotes I want to have in my sig line.

frankm
04-10-2012, 10:41 PM
I larn'd in the Marines, first in boot, then in ITS. It's more effective than any other round in my hands. That's why I sold my Saiga and built an AR. I can hit anything out to 500+ meters with iron sights. AK's can't cut it.

MrPlink
04-10-2012, 10:53 PM
I guess the difference with mine is that it was stuck on the top layer of the skin for a short period, drew a little blood too. If I yanked it out right away, maybe it would've left a much smaller scar. Hence I don't shoot rifles at indoor ranges any more.

Were you shooting 5.56 also?

nope, I was shooting a .22lr :mad:
def wasnt from me in either case because both times were well between shots for me.

Not sure what I was hit by (well, pretty sure it was just jacketing) range was full both times and Im fairly certain it was due to idiots/rookies hitting the walls.
Jackson in S. San Francisco city. Thing I like about the place is they let you rapid fire, which is also what I dont like about the place because there are tons of morons out there that cant control a firearm under that kind of use..

TreeHugger
04-11-2012, 10:02 AM
Jackson in S. San Francisco city. Thing I like about the place is they let you rapid fire, which is also what I dont like about the place because there are tons of morons out there that cant control a firearm under that kind of use..

Jackson is pretty good, wish they had a little better lighting, they used to let you shoot 7.62 and your own ammo. Run into morons at every range, like at Circle S in Petaluma, look at the metal overhang/sunshade above your head, it is full of bullet holes.

marathonman
04-11-2012, 12:07 PM
Keep in mind .223 must be head shots in zombies to be effective.

HilaryForPresident
04-11-2012, 12:46 PM
Don't feed the trolls.

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em9sredbeam
04-11-2012, 12:53 PM
Man you must love to be flamed because you were asking for it with this one.

kmullins
04-11-2012, 5:02 PM
OP your a glutton for punishment.

What's your next thread? "Why we need gun control"?

connorr93
04-11-2012, 9:10 PM
OP your a glutton for punishment.

What's your next thread? "Why we need gun control"?

Yea I guess I wasn't thinking to much with this one. :facepalm: It started with me talking to a few vets who were claiming with their experience with the round wasn't exactly what I was expecting. So I thought I would see what you guys thought. Hahah not exactly what I was expecting but I guess its mainly my fault. I suppose its quite ignorant to question the round the military/police force/coast guard ect. has used for so long. Anyways sorry again. I guess a lot of people had fun in this thread so that a good thing. :)