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Vomtaylor
04-09-2012, 10:57 AM
Hello All. I’m working on outfitting my new Rem 700 sps varmint (in .308) with some glasses and I’m finding myself lost in the endless possibilities of options. Can anyone recommend a good set up, from the mounting base plate to rings to scope. I’ve really been looking at the Nikon scopes. I was trying to keep the total outfitting at about $400 but that is not looking promising at this point.

Any fellow CG have any suggestions on mounts, rings, scopes, etc... I’m dying to shoot this new toy....

I should also add this is my first long rifle...(Bolt action)

TKS

rickster1269
04-09-2012, 11:00 AM
Hmm $400 for the setup, good luck. Might want to save up to equip that thing right.

glockman19
04-09-2012, 11:04 AM
Reality....You will spend as much or more on good glass than you did on your rifle.

I like the Bushnell Elite series scopes. IMHO they are a good value for the money...

Questions to answer are;

What distance will you be shooting?

What light will you be shooting in?

Do you need Paralax adjustment?

What Recticle do you prefer?

This should help in deciding what to buy.

cfusionpm
04-09-2012, 12:05 PM
I spent almost 3 times the cost of the rifle on my scope. Having gone through these phases in this (and other) hobbies, I learned to buy as good a product as one can. There were too many times I bought something cheap(er), was unsatisfied, and ended up buying the expensive one anyway.

I had a cheap-ish Leupold MK AR 3-9x40 that I used on another gun for a while and it was..... decent, but it had a small image that wasn't very bright or clear. For my 700, I went balls-out and got myself a Nightforce 3.5-15x50. The thing has a huge, bright image, very clear glass with almost no distortion, matching MOA/MOA reticle and turrets, and is built like a rugged tank.

Buy once cry once. The options are VERY limited at $400 for everything. My base and rings combined were already about $150. If you never plan on shooting past about 300 yards though, I suppose an entry level scope could be adequate.

Edit: Did this with my setup about a week ago:

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2317/20120402113629967edit.jpg

ExtremeX
04-09-2012, 12:33 PM
The only thing I can recommend to you in your price range is the Millet TRS-1. It was my learner scope, and for the money its hard to beat. If you just don't have the budget for something more expensive you should consider looking at that.

But I still agree with the others, get yourself a good scope. Chances are its going to cost more to a good deal more than the rifle. Good optics are an investment.

Go play with a good scope, you find a lot of things to be desired over something cheaper. Better glass, fit and finish, durability, tracking accuracy and repeatability...

Vacaville
04-09-2012, 12:57 PM
You're not wrong about looking at Nikon - best scopes for the dollar in my opinion. I've got a Nikon Buckmaster 4.5 - 14X and Talley one-piece mounts/rings on my Weatherby varmint .223. Have had it about a year and no regrets. Check it out, read the reviews. Very nice.

http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-Buckmaster-4-5-14x40-Riflescope-Matte/dp/B000FGZRNE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1334001390&sr=8-1

ExtremeX
04-09-2012, 1:04 PM
You're not wrong about looking at Nikon - best scopes for the dollar in my opinion. I've got a Nikon Buckmaster 4.5 - 14X and Talley one-piece mounts/rings on my Weatherby varmint .223. Have had it about a year and no regrets. Check it out, read the reviews. Very nice.

http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-Buckmaster-4-5-14x40-Riflescope-Matte/dp/B000FGZRNE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1334001390&sr=8-1

Maybe the OP needs to give us a little more information as to the application or type of shooting they will be doing.

The Nikon you listed is more of a hunting scope. I was under the impression hes looking for a target / tactical scope.

The Nikon is good, but if you are target shooting, chances are you don't want to be using the BDC, but rather dial in correction and learn to range and dope the scope accordingly. Something with raised turrets would be ideal for that.

OP, what are you trying to accomplish with this setup so we can throw out some better recommendations?

HK Dave
04-09-2012, 1:52 PM
OP, for $400 do this...

Buy one of these...

SWFA SS 10x MRAD (http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-10x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P53712.aspx)

Get yourself some TPS scope rings (http://swfa.com/TPS-Tactical-Scope-30mm-Rings-P41909.aspx) and maybe an EGW base (http://swfa.com/EGW-Picatinny-Rail-1-Piece-Scope-Mount-P46177.aspx).

Should able to score everything at around $400 total and have a really solid setup with a lifetime warranty.

I realize the 10x does not "zoom" but you'll be getting better glass, better construction and more light with it.

Vomtaylor
04-09-2012, 2:08 PM
Thanks for all the info guys.....

I would be looking at a tac/target set up. I mainly just want a nice set up for this rifle... Just outdoor bench shooting I suspect...... Prob not to much hunting as this is a bull barrel and a little heavy to carry around the woods.

I hear that Pala Res has a range going out to 800-1000yds althought Ive never been

HK Dave, that looks like a nice set up without breaking the bank...

cfusionpm
04-09-2012, 2:34 PM
Fixed power lenses will always have better quality dollar for dollar compared to a zoom. The same principle applies to prime camera lenses too. Getting a fixed 10x scope would be a great idea, IMO.

ExtremeX
04-09-2012, 3:06 PM
In additional to what HK Dave said, you may want to take a look at a few random optics at a store just to get an idea of what type of magnification you are looking at. Set one at 10x and look around, should give you an idea of what you can expect.

I tend to lean towards zoom and higher magnification optics since I like the versatility and the ability to really zoom in while target shooting.

Since you said target / tactical, I would definitely skip on the Nikon, or any other optic with capped turrets.

Since this is your first long range gun, if you haven't already, start to get familiar with your rifles and cartridge ballistics, create a drop chart and let the learning begin.

If you can spend a little more, this might be worth looking at.
http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-viper-hs-4-16x44-lr-long-range-riflescope-with-dead-hold-bdc-moa-reticle
The Viper PST line would be ideal, but its more expencive than the HS line.

End of the day, make sure its something you want to use and will be happy with. Optics shopping can be fun and stressful at the same time. Lots of options and opinions out there.

MongooseV8
04-09-2012, 3:25 PM
I have 2 Nikon buckmaster side focus 6x18x40 with a mildot from midwayusa. Not the best Scopes ever but they are better than I am.

Vacaville
04-09-2012, 7:41 PM
Maybe the OP needs to give us a little more information as to the application or type of shooting they will be doing.

The Nikon you listed is more of a hunting scope. I was under the impression hes looking for a target / tactical scope.

The Nikon is good, but if you are target shooting, chances are you don't want to be using the BDC, but rather dial in correction and learn to range and dope the scope accordingly. Something with raised turrets would be ideal for that.

OP, what are you trying to accomplish with this setup so we can throw out some better recommendations?

Agreed. I'm not a dialer, I'm a holdover kind of guy. The Buckmaster is not made for dialing.

Droppin Deuces
04-09-2012, 8:15 PM
Buy once cry once. The options are VERY limited at $400 for everything. My base and rings combined were already about $150. If you never plan on shooting past about 300 yards though, I suppose an entry level scope could be adequate.

Edit: Did this with my setup about a week ago:

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2317/20120402113629967edit.jpg

:facepalm:

300 yards? Really? Come on, my 16" AR was putting headshots on a lifesize silhouette at 490 yards with that same Mark AR you say is just decent. I could take that thing to 600 with ease. I shoot minute-of-man with irons at that same distance with a 14.5" non-free float barrel, and my eyes suck. Nobody needs a $2000 scope to shoot targets inside of 1000 yards.

OutkastSL
04-09-2012, 8:41 PM
I bought the SWFA SS 16x42 fixed scope nd love it. I don't have a lot of experience with higher end optics but this one fit my needs for bench shooting.

Knife Edge
04-09-2012, 9:48 PM
Edit: Did this with my setup about a week ago:

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2317/20120402113629967edit.jpg

Because I can't resist.

18" Larue OBR 178g Hornady Match, off a bipod at 250 yards.... to each is their own. Yes, I pulled one.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=144443&stc=1&d=1334032448

12" swinger at 887 yards, ones to the right were after the winds kicked up.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=144444&stc=1&d=1334032495

In all seriousness, I've seen people shoot really well with scopes that most would consider low budget. Most of the difference is in the return to zero of the turrets and lower light capabilities.

The reality, spend what you can afford and no more. Buying what you can't afford makes this sport overwhelming. There is always down the road.

Knife Edge
04-09-2012, 9:58 PM
OP, for $400 do this...

Buy one of these...

SWFA SS 10x MRAD (http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-10x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P53712.aspx)

Get yourself some TPS scope rings (http://swfa.com/TPS-Tactical-Scope-30mm-Rings-P41909.aspx) and maybe an EGW base (http://swfa.com/EGW-Picatinny-Rail-1-Piece-Scope-Mount-P46177.aspx).

Should able to score everything at around $400 total and have a really solid setup with a lifetime warranty.

I realize the 10x does not "zoom" but you'll be getting better glass, better construction and more light with it.

^^^ THIS

:facepalm:

300 yards? Really? Come on, my 16" AR was putting headshots on a lifesize silhouette at 490 yards with that same Mark AR you say is just decent. I could take that thing to 600 with ease. I shoot minute-of-man with irons at that same distance with a 14.5" non-free float barrel, and my eyes suck. Nobody needs a $2000 scope to shoot targets inside of 1000 yards.

^^^ and yes he does....

Droppin Deuces
04-09-2012, 10:14 PM
Because I can't resist.

18" Larue OBR 178g Hornady Match, off a bipod at 250 yards.... to each is their own. Yes, I pulled one.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=144443&stc=1&d=1334032448

12" swinger at 887 yards, ones to the right were after the winds kicked up.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=144444&stc=1&d=1334032495


And done with a scope that didn't cost $2000.

cfusionpm
04-09-2012, 10:21 PM
Because I can't resist.

18" Larue OBR 178g Hornady Match, off a bipod at 250 yards.... to each is their own. Yes, I pulled one.

I've only shot at 300yds three times, and 600yds once. Still learning. For me, that grouping is AMAZING. :thumbsup:

I hope to be able to do tighter groups with better technique and better wind reading. The big bright glass is also helpful because I don't have a spotting scope. On that orange paper, I can see the impace holes pretty easily at 300yds and 15x magnification.

aperalta14
04-09-2012, 10:25 PM
I have a clean Vortex Viper PA 6.5-20x50, mildot reticle in your price range. Package includes 'low' Weaver Rings, Butler Scope Caps and Sunshade. Used a few times at range on my Remy 700 .308. PM me if you're interested.

kahai808
04-10-2012, 12:29 AM
I've only shot at 300yds three times, and 600yds once. Still learning. For me, that grouping is AMAZING. :thumbsup:

I hope to be able to do tighter groups with better technique and better wind reading. The big bright glass is also helpful because I don't have a spotting scope. On that orange paper, I can see the impace holes pretty easily at 300yds and 15x magnification.

I think your shooting was pretty good. It was under a moa. Keep up the good work. people can make any gear work weather its cheap or expensive but i tell you what from all the nightforce optics i've seen run, not one has failed! there built like tanks! if you have the cash to spend on optics like that, i wouldnt hesitate!

ubet
04-10-2012, 7:01 AM
op, if you want to shoot a precision bolt gun, and have a decent set up, your rings/base combo is going to come out to about $300 alone. My 5r is wearing right around $1k just between bipod, dbm, rings and base.

whatever you do, I suggest buying the rings and base from the same manufacturer, they will have the same specs.

Knife Edge
04-10-2012, 8:41 AM
I have a clean Vortex Viper PA 6.5-20x50, mildot reticle in your price range. Package includes 'low' Weaver Rings, Butler Scope Caps and Sunshade. Used a few times at range on my Remy 700 .308. PM me if you're interested.

^^^ Get this one if the reticle and turret match.

ExtremeX
04-10-2012, 8:45 AM
whatever you do, I suggest buying the rings and base from the same manufacturer, they will have the same specs.

I agree with that, and check out Warne rings and base. We put those on my friends R700 and its some good stuff for the money. We went with a 2 peice base.

ubet
04-10-2012, 9:18 AM
I agree with that, and check out Warne rings and base. We put those on my friends R700 and its some good stuff for the money. We went with a 2 peice base.

Ken Farrel is another good one.

dfletcher
04-10-2012, 10:28 AM
Hello All. Iím working on outfitting my new Rem 700 sps varmint (in .308) with some glasses and Iím finding myself lost in the endless possibilities of options. Can anyone recommend a good set up, from the mounting base plate to rings to scope. Iíve really been looking at the Nikon scopes. I was trying to keep the total outfitting at about $400 but that is not looking promising at this point.

Any fellow CG have any suggestions on mounts, rings, scopes, etc... Iím dying to shoot this new toy....

I should also add this is my first long rifle...(Bolt action)

TKS

Nikon, Leupold and Burris all make entry level scopes - so does Weaver. I don't recall the model number but Nikon has a pretty good 6 to 18X. You might want to try Natchezz, they carry refurbished scopes at pretty good prices.

Weaver makes a few fixed power scopes for about $400.00 if you don't need the variable capability.

I have a VLS in 6mm Remington, one of the changes I made was replacing the factory laminated stock with a Stockys, much more comfortable:

http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/StoreFront