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turinreza
04-21-2007, 9:17 AM
Liberals .. it's too obvious from talking to many of them..
Liberals want the conservatives to stand next to a ditch and
get gunned down. They want to be the one that guns down pro
gunners and conservatives! That's what this is all really about...
only way liberals can win is to take away all the
guns.. get control of the army and then kill off
all the conservatives... that's your plan.. we know..
That's why there is the 2nd amemdment. To prevent
mentally disordered liberals who would have no balls otherwise
be able to control the masses by removing guns and then
using the military in the same facist way Hitler did to
exterminate the jews. That's why the 2nd amendment exists.

DedEye
04-21-2007, 9:33 AM
I don't want the 2nd Amendment gone...

Can'thavenuthingood
04-21-2007, 9:40 AM
For many I think its a money tree and votes. Nothing really sinister for them just a livelyhood, they don't care as there is nothing after this life.

Of course, those are the ones being used by those with an agenda.

A slow erosion.
I expect my great grandkids will have to register the Airsoft BB's and have a biometric license.

Vick

Fjold
04-21-2007, 11:00 AM
Liberals .. it's too obvious from talking to many of them..
Liberals want the conservatives to stand next to a ditch and
get gunned down. They want to be the one that guns down pro
gunners and conservatives! That's what this is all really about...
only way liberals can win is to take away all the
guns.. get control of the army and then kill off
all the conservatives... that's your plan.. we know..
That's why there is the 2nd amemdment. To prevent
mentally disordered liberals who would have no balls otherwise
be able to control the masses by removing guns and then
using the military in the same facist way Hitler did to
exterminate the jews. That's why the 2nd amendment exists.

Step away from the kool-aid

MrTuffPaws
04-21-2007, 11:14 AM
Liberals .. it's too obvious from talking to many of them..
Liberals want the conservatives to stand next to a ditch and
get gunned down. They want to be the one that guns down pro
gunners and conservatives! That's what this is all really about...
only way liberals can win is to take away all the
guns.. get control of the army and then kill off
all the conservatives... that's your plan.. we know..
That's why there is the 2nd amemdment. To prevent
mentally disordered liberals who would have no balls otherwise
be able to control the masses by removing guns and then
using the military in the same facist way Hitler did to
exterminate the jews. That's why the 2nd amendment exists.

Might want to get a heavier gage of tinfoil there bub.

brando
04-21-2007, 11:15 AM
Here's a prime example of how ****ed our country has become with all of this extreme polarization. These days you can't have a conservative slant without being lumped in with the Rapture-bound American Taliban nor can you slant towards liberalism without being called a pinko commie or treehugger. People need to step back, take a deep breath and stop freaking the **** out. Some clear headed reasoning is much overdue.

M. Sage
04-21-2007, 11:37 AM
Here's a prime example of how ****ed our country has become with all of this extreme polarization. These days you can't have a conservative slant without being lumped in with the Rapture-bound American Taliban nor can you slant towards liberalism without being called a pinko commie or treehugger. People need to step back, take a deep breath and stop freaking the **** out. Some clear headed reasoning is much overdue.

QFT!!!!

Super_tactical
04-21-2007, 11:52 AM
He does have a point.

I don't believe they actually want to gun us down.

I DO BELIEVE though, that the reason that many anti gun politicians want to take away the 2A is to have absolute control over the people.

That is what the founders were afraid of. The 2A was to assure that the people would never be at the mercy of their gov't. The gov't should be at the mercy of the people.

WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE RULERS OF THE GOV'T!!! My how things have changed! They've regulated so many weapons that we would never be able to rise up and remove these tyrants.

Sit back, relax, and enjoy becoming a slave....or....FIGHT

Fight at the ballot box, in letters, giving resources, in discussion with friends and family. If that doesn't work, you come to your own conclusion.

hoffmang
04-21-2007, 11:55 AM
Liberal is the wrong term. Statists are the problem. Statists come in all sorts of political stripes.

I tend to remember and point out that the government runs at the consent and for the benefit of the governed.

-Gene

rick1881
04-21-2007, 12:00 PM
Liberal is the wrong term. Statists are the problem. Statists come in all sorts of political stripes.

I tend to remember and point out that the government runs at the consent and for the benefit of the governed.

-Gene

+1 Good Point

CalNRA
04-21-2007, 12:14 PM
what Gene said

the first and foremost motive is money. The gun-owning folks are just one of the threats to a police-state and can't have that now can we? History has shown us gun-control has never hurt any innocent people, EVER!!!! :(

turinreza
04-21-2007, 12:31 PM
Liberal is the wrong term. Statists are the problem. Statists come in all sorts of political stripes.

I tend to remember and point out that the government runs at the consent and for the benefit of the governed.

-Gene

Can you define what is 'statist' is?
thanks

hoffmang
04-21-2007, 12:34 PM
This looks like a decent definition:

"Those who support the practice or doctrine of giving a centralized government control over economic planning and policy."

Also, the wikipedia article on this is decent:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statism

-Gene

SamIAm
04-21-2007, 12:37 PM
Can you define what is 'statist' is?
thanks

I think he's referring to someone who believes that the State should exert as much control over the people as is "justified." Statists can be far left (i.e., Soviet Union, China, Cambodia, Cuba, Zimbabwe) or far right (i.e., Nazi Germany, Chile under Pinochet, South Africa under Apartheid, Spain under Franco). Those are extreme examples. Some would argue that moderate statism would encompass today's present U.S. I would agree that the pendulum has swung in that direction after September 11th.

The polar opposite of statism is arguably anarchism.

hoffmang
04-21-2007, 12:47 PM
The founders figured out after the Articles of Confederation that some centralized power had its uses. However, the BOR and mainly the Second Amendment were specifically called out to make sure that the people knew and could be a counter to a central government of limited powers - even if it got out of hand.

-Gene

brando
04-21-2007, 1:56 PM
Since I've grown up in that anti-gun environment and still do this day know a lot of people of that mindset, here's what I gather:

They tend to come in two categories: experienced gun violence or zero experience with guns. The first group I can sympathize with. Most were in the latter category, having no experience or exposure to firearms. Combine that with a firearms violence experience and now they're rabid anti-gunners. Unfortunately these folks have a contageous effect on people around them turning otherwise neutral people against against us. I have never met or heard of anybody who honestly believed that taking away the 2A was a stepping stone necessary for removing conservative Americans. In fact, nearly everyone I know who's anti-gun is focused on the 2A as a public safety issue. Granted, I think they're ill-informed but I can understand their sheep mindset.

That's why I honestly believe we have to stop treating them like they're out to commit genocide and start educating them. The more we expose and educate to responsible firearms ownership, the more we'll gain allies from one of those groups.

Another important factor no one seems to want to bring up is our image. We SUCK at PR, but more importantly we're often acting exactly the way they want us to act. The more we come across as a bunch of paranoid, redneck, can't wait til someone breaks into my house, hot heads, the more difficult it makes our fight. We have a major image problem in the country, and I know you want to blame liberals and the media, but first you have to accept some responsibility yourself. All of us do.

Kestryll
04-21-2007, 2:01 PM
I think turinreza may be a bit heavy handed in his description but let's not forget there is precedence for what he's saying.

Not that long ago there was a news story about an english professor I think it was who was telling her class that the Democrats were the only choice and that anyone who voted Republican should be lined up and shot. As I recall the college chalked it up to 'Free Speech' and ignored it.

Not to say she is 'mainstream' or anything but the suggestion HAS been made .
Of course when that Prof. goes to the weekly nutball meeting I'm sure there are some extremist Conservatives there too.

brando
04-21-2007, 2:07 PM
Yeah, you get conservative nutballs saying similar stuff. It's hardly a precedent though.

Kestryll
04-21-2007, 2:09 PM
Yeah, that's extreme, but you also see it on the other side. The liberals don't have a monopoly on extremist stupidity.

Agreed, that's why I said this in that post as well.

Of course when that Prof. goes to the weekly nutball meeting I'm sure there are some extremist Conservatives there too.

brando
04-21-2007, 2:17 PM
Yeah, I caught that a little too late and rewrote my post :)

turinreza
04-21-2007, 2:17 PM
Thanks.. the definition and explanation of statism really helps me to express
my thoughts more exactly...

hmm. i am not extreme.. this is more like a response similar to
what the crusades where after the muslims conquered europe..
i don't want to history to repeat itself ...

i just want to be left alone to enjoy my freedom and defend myself
and not have my guns taken away

if that is extreme to want to put every idea or concept out there
before it happens then i'm extreme in my defending that from happening
ahead of time.. other than that i just want to enjoy life and freedom
and go learn to shoot sub MOA...

brando
04-21-2007, 2:51 PM
That sounds like most people in this country. Paranoid delusions of rabid liberals out to take your guns away so they can round you up and execute you...yeah, that's extreme.

turinreza
04-21-2007, 3:52 PM
That sounds like most people in this country. Paranoid delusions of rabid liberals out to take your guns away so they can round you up and execute you...yeah, that's extreme.

you didnt go to UC Berkeley like i did and hear the bunch of crap i did
from the extreme liberals i talked to ..

I am sure the jews thought that the same thing that it was extreme
to think the nazi's would kill them off too..

in any case.. i throw every idea out there so we can talk about it now
rather than if and when it happens..

Charliegone
04-21-2007, 3:54 PM
Democrats and Republicans? IMHO, both are the same just a flip of the other side of the coin. There are only a few demo's and repubs left that are decent.:(

ravenbkp
04-21-2007, 5:28 PM
No most Dems do not want to kill you!

But well meaning or not they are a genuine treat both to life and to liberty. How so?

They are so politically biased or so dim they cannot remember that the national socialists and communists murdered 100 million plus of their own people in the last 80-100 years!

And here the morons are holding the door to the "shower room" open and saying just walk in it will be alright!

I cannot tell you how angry that sort of sorry weak minded garbage makes me! :mad: :mad:

brando
04-21-2007, 5:29 PM
you didnt go to UC Berkeley like i did and hear the bunch of crap i did
from the extreme liberals i talked to ..

No, but I grew up in Marin County, so I'm familiar with the extreme liberal mindset. I also served in the Army CONUS & OCONUS for 12 years and have seen the other side of the coin - the American Taliban Christians. I fear those guys more than rabid liberals because they actually believe in the tooth fairey.

63 tango
04-21-2007, 6:05 PM
the weasels want guns banned because marijuana is still illegal.:p

turinreza
04-21-2007, 6:56 PM
No, but I grew up in Marin County, so I'm familiar with the extreme liberal mindset. I also served in the Army CONUS & OCONUS for 12 years and have seen the other side of the coin - the American Taliban Christians. I fear those guys more than rabid liberals because they actually believe in the tooth fairey.

i'm sorry but growing up around the morons in marin county
is not the same thing as spending 10 years around the best free thinking minds in the world and actually speaking to the future leaders and
present leaders of the liberal mindset. Not the same thing. As fine as the military is it's not an
institution for higher learning and not as diverse as Berkeley. It seems you only got to see American Taliban Christian
morons..

there are more than just lib morons at berkeley like the La Raza crew..
(who really do intend to try to take back california... )