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tonb
04-19-2007, 9:34 AM
I'm not sure if this belongs in the political forum or not but I figured it did.

Anyway, out of curiosity, I just wondered why it is that the only militias I can think of are the famous ones like the Michigan Militia, and only because they had media coverage in a negative light.

Thinking back to why they were formed in the first place, it almost astonishes me that every state does not have several at least somewhat organized militias. Or do they and I'm just totally unaware?

rssslvr
04-19-2007, 9:51 AM
They have some in Ca. and most other states.


http://www.constitution.org/mil/link2mil.htm

Super_tactical
04-19-2007, 10:04 AM
Is it just me, or does the Ca militia sound anti-Jew?

wow

I'm all for militias, not this one though at least.

Crazed_SS
04-19-2007, 10:07 AM
I never got a good vibe from those militia types.. and it's not because of the liberal media.

SemiAutoSam
04-19-2007, 10:08 AM
What some consider anti Jew is just Pride in ones Race and or the desire to stay within ones race.

I don't see a problem with that as its just a personal preference.

This country is about personal preferences is it not?

That is my take on it.

Is it just me, or does the Ca militia sound anti-Jew?

wow

I'm all for militias, not this one though at least.

turinreza
04-19-2007, 10:13 AM
2nd amemdment protects us from crazy militias

Super_tactical
04-19-2007, 10:14 AM
What some consider anti Jew is just Pride in ones Race and or the desire to stay within ones race.

I don't see a problem with that as its just a personal preference.

This country is about personal preferences is it not?

That is my take on it.

Calling them "illegal settlers in Israel" and talking of the terrible zionist gov't seams a bit anti-Jew to me. :rolleyes:

tonb
04-19-2007, 10:15 AM
Out of 6 possible CA militias, only one link worked, the "California Militia." I personally didn't get a racist vibe from that group, however their website hosted by Geocities is pretty sad and it is hard to tell if it is even current, or if they have members that even meet and train.

I'm just really surprised is all. So still, from what I gather, there are no active California militia units.

brando
04-19-2007, 10:17 AM
I think for the most part the situation in Iraq has shown us the bad side of militias.

SemiAutoSam
04-19-2007, 10:18 AM
OK No big deal you don't agree with the statement.

You have that right.

Calling them "illegal settlers in Israel" and talking of the terrible Zionist govt seams a bit anti-Jew to me. :rolleyes:

Super_tactical
04-19-2007, 10:22 AM
...They consist of arrogant hypocritical, radical zionist chicken hawks that have destroyed the quality of life for the American working class. Americans, once brave and fiercely independent now cringe in abject cowardice as they are bombarded by zionist controlled brainwashing, in the form of mass media, with blathering nonsense about impending Armeggedon. Meanwhile, the American worker, dumbed down by years of intellectual deprivation gladly send their children to die as cannon fodder in distant lands to protect the interest of multinational oil firms and illegal settlers in Israel...It sounds to me that they are misplacing their anger. Is it really the "zionists" that are the cause of all our problems? Sounds like the Islamist, UN, and liberal view.

Don't get me wrong, I think militias are perfectly fine. I think it's a constitutional right. However, I just don't agree with their sentiments. Also, the West Texas Militia still thinks that GWB blew up the twin towers.

Is there a miltia consisting of semi-normal thinking people in this part of the country?

50 Shooter
04-19-2007, 10:24 AM
I looked into the CA Militia years ago, still looks/sounds like a bunch of crazies. Sorry but I'll pass.:rolleyes:

tonb
04-19-2007, 10:34 AM
I looked into the CA Militia years ago, still looks/sounds like a bunch of crazies. Sorry but I'll pass.:rolleyes:

That is what surpises me about militias. The only press I've ever seen has been negative and that more or less its a bunch of loonies, which kind of seems to be the case. I guess what I'm getting at is I just don't understand why there are no relatively well organized militias of regular folk. Have we really become such a fast food culture that we lay all trust in big brother?

SemiAutoSam
04-19-2007, 10:36 AM
For the most part...YES.

That is what surpises me about militias. The only press I've ever seen has been negative and that more or less its a bunch of loonies, which kind of seems to be the case. I guess what I'm getting at is I just don't understand why there are no relatively well organized militias of regular folk. Have we really become such a fast food culture that we lay all trust in big brother?

tonb
04-19-2007, 10:36 AM
It sounds to me that they are misplacing their anger. Is it really the "zionists" that are the cause of all our problems? Sounds like the Islamist, UN, and liberal view.

Don't get me wrong, I think militias are perfectly fine. I think it's a constitutional right. However, I just don't agree with their sentiments. Also, the West Texas Militia still thinks that GWB blew up the twin towers.

Is there a miltia consisting of semi-normal thinking people in this part of the country?

I see what you're saying, but from what it looks like to me, that's just one guy's misguided opinion. As a guy named Francis once said, I may not agree with what you say sir, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

So if a normal-thinking, average joe, concerned citizen militia does not exist. Then perhaps there is cause to create one.

tmuller
04-19-2007, 10:40 AM
The answer may be to form one yourself with like minded people. Shouldn't be to difficult...I agree that most seem like crazies and wouldn't be interested in these but I get your point. Good luck.

Mark_in_Pasadena
04-19-2007, 10:42 AM
From what I've read, the jewish religion is a polar opposite from zionism, but all too often people see them as one in the same. It's like saying that christianity and capitalism are interchangable, which clearly is not the case.

E Pluribus Unum
04-19-2007, 10:45 AM
A friend of mine had a militia site, when he ran out of time and effort he gave it up. I took over control of it but because the site had "militia" in the name people shy away from it.

Its kind of weird how society is. If you have a site like "gunrights.com" they are fine. As soon as you put "militia" in the name, everyone thinks you are a bunch of bearded rednecks plotting to kill the president.

FreedomIsNotFree
04-19-2007, 10:51 AM
The organized militia was turned into the National Guard in the early 1900's. All we are left with is the UNorganized militia. We can organize, but are still considered unorganized....haha.

turinreza
04-19-2007, 10:57 AM
so once you create a militia it has to be well regulated, so does that mean
you need to follow extra gun laws specifically for militias?

(the regular guns laws are already infringing on the right of the people to bear arms..)

hoffmang
04-19-2007, 10:59 AM
You are already a member of both the Federal unorganized militia and the California unorganized militia. Both entities have statutes that sweep you in.

-Gene

E Pluribus Unum
04-19-2007, 11:06 AM
You are already a member of both the Federal unorganized militia and the California unorganized militia. Both entities have statutes that sweep you in.

-Gene

Military and Veteren Code:

120. The militia of the State shall consist of the National Guard,
State Military Reserve and the Naval Militia--which constitute the
active militia --and the unorganized militia.



121. The unorganized militia consists of all persons liable to
service in the militia, but not members of the National Guard or the
Naval Militia.


122. The militia of the State consists of all able-bodied male
citizens and all other able-bodied males who have declared their
intention to become citizens of the United States, who are between
the ages of eighteen and forty-five, and who are residents of the
State, and of such other persons as may upon their own application be
enlisted or commissioned therein pursuant to the provisions of this
division, subject, however, to such exemptions as now exist or may be
hereafter created by the laws of the United States or of this State.

tonb
04-19-2007, 11:20 AM
So if one were to create an organized militia, by law it is technically unorganized? Now that's goofy.

The whole concept of the militia was to throw off the shackles of ursurpers and in the case that it was the very goverment which the citizens were members off, to have the right emblazed in the constitution to ensure that the people would keep our right to bear arms and defend ourselves from injustice.

Those laws make no sense.

How can the governments National Guard and Naval Reserve be considered our militia if they take orders from that very system?

DirtySanchez
04-19-2007, 11:39 AM
I belonged to a Militia group here in So Cal. It was a group of normal law abiding citizens that believe in freedom. All race/Religion (or lack there of) were welcome. If anyone is seriously interested in being a part of a CERT/Militia unit
please contact me via PM. The problem I find with Militia units is that people like to talk talk talk but no one wants to train.

SemiAutoSam
04-19-2007, 11:49 AM
This is their Mission statement Of everything that is written here I agree with it. What say you Calgunners ? Do you agree with this statement ?


http://geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/2608/welcome.html
To cause a return to the original ideas of the constitutional republic envisioned by the founding fathers, including but not limited to the complete restoral of all individual liberties guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, and the limitation of federal powers to those delineated in the body of the constitution.
We are patriotic, it's true. But we don't like what our government is doing. We believe in the old American dream, i.e. home ownership for all, perhaps a small summer cottage, two cars for every family, a better life for our children than what we had, and we believe in the perpetuation of the ideals that made America great, for example, freedom, opportunity, open mindedness, justice, morality, respect for the constitution and a commitment to do what's right. After all the progress we have made over the past fifty years in technology and productivity all of these things should be easy, but instead they have become unattainable. We have to take America back if we don't it will be gone. Rousseau said many years ago that "America is great because it is good. If it ceases to be good, it will cease to be great." It is easy to see that even with all of our high tech weapons, money and manpower we have been abjectly defeated in every single military conflict we have undertaken since WWII, with the possible exception of Grenada for one obvious reason. Our government defends the interests of greedy MNCs (Multinational Corporations) with the blood of our children, and at the costs of our jobs and the quality of our lives. The reason we cannot win is because those that we have attacked know fully well that the intentions of our government is evil and they are determined to keep us out. When they know they are fighting for what is right and that our soldiers don't understand what they are really fighting for, our enemies fight with great determination, and a willingness to sacrifice all. Such enemies are impossible to defeat. If you want examples you can read about Korea, Cuba, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Somalia, Iran, Haiti, Lebanon, and soon we will also be defeated in Afghanistan and Iraq. Lets break this chain and use our resources to make America and the world a better place.

Steyr_223
04-19-2007, 12:04 PM
My buddy was telling me about how private security companies are like militias..In a true SHTF world, we expects many of these groups to act like the Ravenswood groups in "Jericho"


http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Category:Private_military_corporat ions
http://www.blackwaterusa.com/

Alan Block
04-19-2007, 12:07 PM
Zionism is the promotion of a Jewish state in Israel. The movement was founded in the very early 20th century by Theodore Herzel who convinced many Jews to move to Palestine. After the Turks lost control of it a small stream of Jews immigrated to Palestine and created the famous Kibutz settelments.

Satex
04-19-2007, 12:20 PM
Zionism is the promotion of a Jewish state in Israel. The movement was founded in the very early 20th century by Theodore Herzel who convinced many Jews to move to Palestine. After the Turks lost control of it a small stream of Jews immigrated to Palestine and created the famous Kibutz settelments.

Zionism wasn't the driving force behind the Kibutz. The Kibutz were groups of settlers that wanted to establish VOLUNTARY socialist/communist communities. Most settles settled in towns and established cities.

E Pluribus Unum
04-19-2007, 12:26 PM
Zionism is the promotion of a Jewish state in Israel. The movement was founded in the very early 20th century by Theodore Herzel who convinced many Jews to move to Palestine. After the Turks lost control of it a small stream of Jews immigrated to Palestine and created the famous Kibutz settelments.

Zion is the last remaining human city near the earth's core.

tonb
04-19-2007, 12:27 PM
Zion is the last remaining human city near the earth's core.

LOL I was waiting for that :)

SemiAutoSam
04-19-2007, 12:29 PM
Martix ?

Zion is the last remaining human city near the earth's core.

E Pluribus Unum
04-19-2007, 12:31 PM
Martix ?

yse veyr obsrevent fo yuo

tonb
04-19-2007, 12:32 PM
Martix ?

You got it

http://news.softpedia.com/images/news2/Matrix-star-Laurence-Fishburne-in-court-2.jpg

Kestryll
04-19-2007, 12:53 PM
This is their Mission statement Of everything that is written here I agree with it. What say you Calgunners ? Do you agree with this statement ?


http://geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/2608/welcome.html
To cause a return to the original ideas of the constitutional republic envisioned by the founding fathers, including but not limited to the complete restoral of all individual liberties guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, and the limitation of federal powers to those delineated in the body of the constitution.
Up to here we're good, I do agree.

We are patriotic, it's true. But we don't like what our government is doing.
I don't like some of what our Government is doing and some I agree with so we'll call this one a wash.

We believe in the old American dream, i.e. home ownership for all, perhaps a small summer cottage, two cars for every family,
Okay, this part is just 'gimmies', it would be nice to see but it is not a gaurantee in life. At best youare suppose to be gauranteed the chance to work your tush off and EARN this. The thought that this is the default 'due' of every American is part of the problem.

a better life for our children than what we had, and we believe in the perpetuation of the ideals that made America great, for example, freedom, opportunity, open mindedness, justice, morality, respect for the constitution and a commitment to do what's right.
Okay, with this I can agree.

After all the progress we have made over the past fifty years in technology and productivity all of these things should be easy, but instead they have become unattainable.
Umm... no. These things are only unattainable if you choose to make them so. You can still work hard, educate yourself and attain your dreams, to claim otherwise is just giving up.

We have to take America back if we don't it will be gone. Rousseau said many years ago that "America is great because it is good. If it ceases to be good, it will cease to be great." It is easy to see that even with all of our high tech weapons, money and manpower we have been abjectly defeated in every single military conflict we have undertaken since WWII, with the possible exception of Grenada for one obvious reason. Our government defends the interests of greedy MNCs (Multinational Corporations) with the blood of our children, and at the costs of our jobs and the quality of our lives.
And now the standard 'anti-government ranting' begins. Blame all our personal woes on the alledged vast underground collaboration between the .gov and the shadowy evil figures in big business. "They are the reason all my hope and dreams are unattainable, those bastards!" No one but the select group of diabolical 'puppet-masters' has control of anything and only a select group of 'non-kool-aid drinkers' can truly see what is going on.
Sorry, not a delusion I subscribe to so no, I don't agree with this part.

The reason we cannot win is because those that we have attacked know fully well that the intentions of our government is evil and they are determined to keep us out. When they know they are fighting for what is right and that our soldiers don't understand what they are really fighting for, our enemies fight with great determination, and a willingness to sacrifice all. Such enemies are impossible to defeat.
Wow! Did Pelosi herself write this tripe!?! Or was it Kerry? Our soldiers are not briht enough to understand what they are fighting for? Our governments intentions are evil? Our enemies are 'impossible to defeat'?
Do I agree with this statement? NO. Hell no. This statement is the babblings of a sniviling appeaser! "We can't win so why fight?" "We can't win, our troops are too stupid!" We'll never win anything because we're evil!"
Oh wait, I forgot. This is more of the 'The MAN is evil and working to destroy us' stuff. No wonder we're doomed to failure and death.

If you want examples you can read about Korea, Cuba , Nicaragua, Vietnam, Somalia, Iran, Haiti, Lebanon, and soon we will also be defeated in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Only if we listen to the advice of sniveling Quislings like this.

Lets break this chain and use our resources to make America and the world a better place.
So we get a list of conflicts where the hand-wringing appeasement crowd has dlayed or cost us a decisive victory followed by a hand-wringing appeal to do the same again. What was it they said about history again?



So out of all of that the parts I can agree with are these:
To cause a return to the original ideas of the constitutional republic envisioned by the founding fathers, including but not limited to the complete restoral of all individual liberties guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, and the limitation of federal powers to those delineated in the body of the constitution.
We are patriotic, We believe in the old American dream, ...a better life for our children than what we had, and we believe in the perpetuation of the ideals that made America great, for example, freedom, opportunity, open mindedness, justice, morality, respect for the constitution and a commitment to do what's right.

And that's about it.


As for agreeing with the rest of that,
NO

50 Shooter
04-19-2007, 3:23 PM
Had to double check, yep a bunch of crazies.;)

That site was full of too much BS, I'm sure they hold stock in Reynolds.

odysseus
04-19-2007, 5:07 PM
Couple of my ramblings on the subject since it seems it is brought up from time to time and I never responded until now.

- If I were to join or create a group of like-minded citizens who care for the Constitution and of course the Second Amendment, and want to also practice and train in the arts of martial and military orders, I probably still would not call it a "militia". As said earlier, we all are the militia, every tax paying citizen of this country. I think that would just be a group, club, organization, etc.

- Many "militias" turn people off, and that's to the "militia's" disadvantage. Yes - many have been been also very biased and downright rude to people they don't see as "themselves". Yes, some are downright wacked in the head and racist. Of course, it's their right to not want to associate with people of other "colors" (as though actually we all aren't a blend anyway over the thousands of years) or religions however that doesn't make this right, nor a good American thing to do either.

I know, I know, white seperatists - black seperatists - whatever seperatists - want to identify and be "clean" to their heritage. That's fine, marry who you want, be friends with who you want. However when you segegrate yourself, you close yourself off to others, thus all of us who wave the flag and swear to the Constitution, not just "you and your kind". I think some of the bad image of militias is a making from their own hand. I like to think people should be concerned about a person's values, not what racial color or family name they have.

- Militia's as a whole have been burned and abused by the media and people in public office. One should not believe everything once sees and hears about from those sources.

- The idea is an attractive one. Just haven't been attracted to one. Seems I have one of sorts in the gun-culture and of course with friends that I go to the range or outside with, but I wouldn't call us a militia - since all of us in the terms of the Constitution are anyway. I am an American.

hoffmang
04-19-2007, 5:24 PM
Military contractors like Blackwater would best be termed Select Militia.

-Gene

DirtySanchez
04-19-2007, 6:38 PM
Couple of my ramblings on the subject since it seems it is brought up from time to time and I never responded until now.

- If I were to join or create a group of like-minded citizens who care for the Constitution and of course the Second Amendment, and want to also practice and train in the arts of martial and military orders, I probably still would not call it a "militia". As said earlier, we all are the militia, every tax paying citizen of this country. I think that would just be a group, club, organization, etc.

- Many "militias" turn people off, and that's to the "militia's" disadvantage. Yes - many have been been also very biased and downright rude to people they don't see as "themselves". Yes, some are downright wacked in the head and racist. Of course, it's their right to not want to associate with people of other "colors" (as though actually we all aren't a blend anyway over the thousands of years) or religions however that doesn't make this right, nor a good American thing to do either.

I know, I know, white seperatists - black seperatists - whatever seperatists - want to identify and be "clean" to their heritage. That's fine, marry who you want, be friends with who you want. However when you segegrate yourself, you close yourself off to others, thus all of us who wave the flag and swear to the Constitution, not just "you and your kind". I think some of the bad image of militias is a making from their own hand. I like to think people should be concerned about a person's values, not what racial color or family name they have.

- Militia's as a whole have been burned and abused by the media and people in public office. One should not believe everything once sees and hears about from those sources.

- The idea is an attractive one. Just haven't been attracted to one. Seems I have one of sorts in the gun-culture and of course with friends that I go to the range or outside with, but I wouldn't call us a militia - since all of us in the terms of the Constitution are anyway. I am an American.


Thats why you call it a Civil Defence force.
Not a Militia even though that is what it would be.
And you are already a member.

dustoff31
04-19-2007, 11:44 PM
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mark3lb
04-19-2007, 11:52 PM
Is it just me, or does the Ca militia sound anti-Jew?
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Maybe have a pro-Jew Militia. You know, when the SHTF in Israel, we can go over the and help them out. I hear Israel is a fun place to visit.

SLYoteBoy
04-20-2007, 12:40 AM
Isnt it anti-semetic , not anti-jew? if your pc anyways?