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luzr
04-01-2012, 1:46 AM
Hi guys, I am looking to buy a 22 LR rile, but it is going to be a special one... the best one... "my precious". :-) When people ask for a recommendation on "the best whatever", they can mean many things. In my case I mean


highest quality materials and workmanship
optimal design, precision manufacturing
unsurpassed accuracy and reliability
aesthetic beauty


My focus is on marksmanship: medium and long range high-accuracy shooting for fun and competition, but the rifle must be a perfectly capable "working rifle" for pest control or whatever else needs holes in it. Although I claim that cost is not an issue, I should mention that I am NOT looking for jewel encrusted, gold plated, pearl handled status piece, this quest is for Quality. Advice or wish lists much appreciated.

Quiet
04-01-2012, 1:55 AM
Volquartsen (https://www.volquartsen.com/category/20-rimfire-rifles/9-volquartsen-semi-auto) makes some really nice high-end .22LR rifles.
Depending on the configuration, they range from $1200-4000.
Depending on which model, accuracy is usually at 0.5" groups at 50 yards.

Stanze
04-01-2012, 1:56 AM
https://www.volquartsen.com/

Bartin
04-01-2012, 2:30 AM
Anschutz (http://jga.anschuetz-sport.com/index.php5?menu=303&sprache=1) is the best of the best. Olympic rifle of choice

http://www.cooperfirearms.com/ makes some real nice ones too

BigRich
04-01-2012, 4:10 AM
I'll vote for the Cooper too.

BSlacker
04-01-2012, 6:14 AM
The 10/22 is the semi auto rifle on the market with the most aftermarket support. A factory Ruger receiver will never be the quality of function or appearance of a high priced bolt gun of very good accuracy. The Ruger can be modified to match your personal favorite shooting style, imparting a good deal of accuracy and fun. Each part has many options and they run from mild to wild.
The problem is that every once in a while a Marlin or a Savage will produce one cheap stock rifle that will shoot, for some shooter, just as good a group on a given day as your wonder rifle. Just the way it is. Your worst day their best day they got the ammo down for their rifle and such throw in a little wind and there you go. :43:
Look at stocks and sporter barrels for a range/hunting/target rifle. A good trigger kit your favorite optic and you are on your way to ruin. :)

covingtonhouse
04-01-2012, 10:54 AM
Im going to throw out there the Remington 541-T. But I'm one who can't justify spending thousands on just a rimfire rifle unless it has some magical qualities. I do however prefer a well made rifle, and this fits that category. Classic lines, mag fed, and bolt action. With a good quality scope, this would be a pass-it-down through the generations rifle. Good luck finding one..... I'm sure that there are others that will disagree, but I've always liked this model. Anschutz is another fine choice with unlimited spending potential. One thing that applies to any model you purchase is the need to test multiple types/brands of ammo. Rimfires are generally picky, with the same model rifle rarely liking the same ammo.

covingtonhouse
04-01-2012, 11:35 AM
And why am I a dater of high profile chicks??? And if I am, why is everyone else also?? There's only so many high profile chicks to go around. Pretty soon the cost of high profile chicks is going to be like ammo. I'm going to have to start getting my HPC's at gun shows to get a deal I guess.

roushstage2
04-01-2012, 11:40 AM
Anschutz

freonr22
04-01-2012, 11:44 AM
And why am I a dater of high profile chicks??? And if I am, why is everyone else also?? There's only so many high profile chicks to go around. Pretty soon the cost of high profile chicks is going to be like ammo. I'm going to have to start getting my HPC's at gun shows to get a deal I guess.
You need to start reloading

JNunez23
04-01-2012, 11:50 AM
Anschutz or Volquartsen...

Gem1950
04-01-2012, 12:22 PM
Cost no object - 22 LR Semi-auto Rifle

KIDD

covingtonhouse
04-01-2012, 12:27 PM
You need to start reloading

you're right...don't have the space for a set-up right now though.

sholling
04-01-2012, 12:28 PM
If you want a cost no object store bought semiauto 22 then Volquartsen is a nice choice and but a Kidd Supergrade (http://www.coolguyguns.com/Rifle-Supergrade-_p_59.html) with all of the optional bells and whistles (rear tang, 2-stage trigger, speed mag release, nice stock) is what I would buy. To get any more accurate than that you'll need to go with a bolt action Anschutz and the accuracy difference won't be much.

cudakidd
04-01-2012, 12:36 PM
I shoot mine at 175" Steel plate matches. 6" steel plates!

Reasonable consistency, GREAT Scope, good quality ammo and PRACTICE make the difference!

Mine below...since upgraded to a KIDD trigger group...WhistlePig Barrel, FA Stock, HAKKO Scope (OEM for Nikon Tactical same model),BKL mounts, Harris Bipod
http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo284/cudakidd/ruger/CIMG4883.jpg

003
04-01-2012, 2:39 PM
Volquartsen for sure. But you would not go wrong if you had Kidd built you one.

Izzy43
04-01-2012, 3:02 PM
ON the History Channel show, "Top Shot", they always use the Volquartsen semi for their head to head matches.

jchen76@gmail.com
04-01-2012, 3:15 PM
Not a massed produced rimfire, but go to hold one in a store. The trigger is tuned. Only thing stock on it is the 10/22 receiver. $950 for conversion + 10/22 receiver.


http://ironwooddesigns.com/IWD1022.html

http://ironwooddesigns.com/IWD1022_files/shapeimage_13.png

http://ironwooddesigns.com/IWD1022_files/shapeimage_12.png

Even though not semi auto, the olympic biathlon rifles are very accurate and uses straight pull bolt design.

Broso
04-01-2012, 3:34 PM
+1 for Volquartsen

covingtonhouse
04-01-2012, 5:01 PM
Looking at the Volquartsens...Realistically how effective is the muzzle brake feature for a .22LR??? Never shot one, so I'm wondering. I have a .308 with a compensator/brake and it definitely helps but I'd think the .22 recoil is so mild anyway it's more of a cool looking thing.

sholling
04-01-2012, 6:42 PM
Looking at the Volquartsens...Realistically how effective is the muzzle brake feature for a .22LR??? Never shot one, so I'm wondering. I have a .308 with a compensator/brake and it definitely helps but I'd think the .22 recoil is so mild anyway it's more of a cool looking thing.
The muzzle brake is purely for looks. You're probably going to want to put a Kidd 2-stage trigger in whatever 10/22 you get because the Volquartsen trigger groups that I've used aren't in the same league. Kidd 2-stage triggers are just amazing. Almost as amazing as the 2-stage trigger in my Anschutz.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u197/damnfineguy/22s%20-%20800dpi/IMG_0147a.jpg
This 10/22 has a Volquartsen THM carbon fiber barrel and Volquartsen trigger group.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u197/damnfineguy/22s%20-%20800dpi/IMG_0250a-1.jpg
Anschutz 64 MPR

luzr
04-01-2012, 10:44 PM
Wow, thanks for the great responses and pictures!

I first saw the Volquartsen rifles on Top Shot, and we have a lot of fans here. Beautiful designs that fit what I am looking for. Definitely the short list. I was also curious about the utility of the muzzle brake. Even though a 22 does not have much recoil, the "cost no object" approach demands that we use a muzzle brake if there is any benefit at all (and no down side). The pleasure of squeezing off several shots while holding your aim rock steady is totally worth it (to me). The only downside I can see might be increased weight... but even then I think that having a chunk of weight out at the extreme end of the barrel will help stability in an unsupported hold.

I'm going to rule out Anschutz with one more requirement that I didn't mention before... which is that I prefer to get a "made in the USA" product if possible. Cuz, 'merica, F yeah!

Some folks recommend Cooper. Their web site is very unhelpful for potential customers, but from what I could see the Cooper rifles are of a more classic design. I'm not opposed to that, but I am more attracted to modern designs that use a minimum of lacy etching (not sure what you call it... the curly swirly patterns they use for decoration). So I'm going to leave Cooper off the list for now.

I have never heard of Kidd, looks very cool! From my limited experience, I have figured out that the trigger is hugely important for accuracy, and that a two stage trigger with a crisp break at the end and very light pull works best for me. It looks like Kidd stakes his claim to fame on this. Very interesting products, and their web site has a lot of helpful info that I will read in detail. Thanks for the pointer on that.

The Ironwood design looks like huge fun, but I'm slightly concerned about whether there is a compromise to the trigger feel in a bull-pup design. Very compact (practical) and quite beautiful for it.

You guys have some awesome looking scopes as well! The "cost no object" scope that should be mounted on the "cost no object" rifle is probably another thread for another day, but if there is an obvious choice then by all means please mention it. I am not familiar with HAKKO but will check them out.

I very much appreciate your collective wisdom!

gil671
04-02-2012, 8:02 AM
I shoot mine at 175" Steel plate matches. 6" steel plates!

Reasonable consistency, GREAT Scope, good quality ammo and PRACTICE make the difference!

Mine below...since upgraded to a KIDD trigger group...WhistlePig Barrel, FA Stock, HAKKO Scope (OEM for Nikon Tactical same model),BKL mounts, Harris Bipod
http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo284/cudakidd/ruger/CIMG4883.jpg
Man this one is sweet!

covingtonhouse
04-02-2012, 1:34 PM
I tend to hold to spend at least as much on the scope as you spend on the rifle. If you are talking a thousand dollar plus rifle you can buy yourself a mighty fine scope for that little sucker!!

ejhc11
04-02-2012, 4:21 PM
This is a precision instrument, nothing less, nothing more and they make the worlds finest

http://www.feinwerkbau.de/ceasy/modules/cms/main.php5?cPageId=159

santamonica9
04-02-2012, 5:53 PM
Anschutz or Volquartsen...

these or the ones done by KIDD